very very bad lag after installing new patch

Please do not misunderstand me. Perf work went along with the change to the threading, as our goal was a fairly invisible swap. The threading work opened doors for multiple improvements, including the DLL swapping that comes with the expansion, and the source code that will arrive shortly. We did not see the performance issues as we approached launch. Right now our engineering team is working on tracking down why some people are seeing the slow-down, and some are not. Hopefully we'll have an answer shortly.

 

Sounds good.... hope you can find the solution soon hate to not be able to play G&K on my computer. Changes that make a computer 'do more' will slow everything down. If more swapping of dlls than for sure if that is a major performace demand on computers.

Would be nice to just undo the patch until the bugs are out of it and just wait for the G&K to come down in a few days.

 

I do have some mods installed, but only scenario mods and the TSL earth maps.

My dxdiag

Operating System: Windows 7 Professional 64-bit (6.1, Build 7601) Service Pack 1 (7601.win7sp1_gdr.120503-2030)
Language: English (Regional Setting: English)
System Manufacturer: GATEWA
System Model: GT5449E
BIOS: Default System BIOS
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Driver Version: 8.15.11.9045
DDI Version: 10
Driver Model: WDDM 1.1
Driver Attributes: Final Retail

 

Just a question about the lag time. Does the information screens suppose to now appear before a unit meets the ruins or say another unit or cs? Or is this a problem with the sync of the new patch?

 

What is happening here is the gamecore has already played the turn (for auto-exploring units). It then delivers the results to the game, which renders it out. In this case, you are seeing the pop-up come up before the unit finishes moving. In this particular case, it's not a lag issue, but more of an issue of delaying the pop-up to better line-up with the animating unit.

 

Has anyone else noticed that since the update your game lagging. I have my settings set to low and a standard map and its always ran fine. now since the update unit cycling lags, cycling though cites lag, and when in combat during the cpu's turn the map zooms away from the battle and off to the far side of map. has anyone else noticed problems like this?

Moderator Action: Merged with the main "performance problems" thread.

 

if you use AMD you need to go to amd.com and use their thing to update, you can also update through vision control center.

however.

when you update to 12.4, it will tell you that you have 12.3, and this issue is flammed all over the internet. It seems that if you install 12.4, you HAVE 12.4 despite that it says you have 12.3

good luck, ive posted my DXdiag like 5 times over the last 2 years and not a single person has ever suggested what i should be doing differently on my "out of game settings" for better performance.

edit - when i have civ open, it breaks my adobe and javas on websites, and glitches every website but when i manually updated drivers the problem went bye bye.

BTW - when you download the installer for your new drivers. You need to FIRST UNINSTALL THE OLD DRIVERS. Then restart your computer, and install the new ones. Also, your c++ redistributable thing might need updated as well, i know mine did! To do this, go to control panel, uninstall ALL versions of it, then go into civ5 folder, and re-install from that. Other programs that use it USUALLY have an installer included for the latest version so that if you don't have it, when the program is ran, it will prompt the install.

cheers.

 

I just uninstalled everything in my mods folder then started the game again, and it's not as laggy as it was. It's still somewhat laggy, but now it's bearable and I can play again.

 

Many mods have not yet been converted to work with the new system. For the more intensive mods like InfoAddict, they will want to do a check to see if the gamecore is running before refreshing, otherwise, this can cause lagging issues.

 

Not mods here. Never had one for 5, turn times probably tripled.

 

For testing purposes, go ahead and disable the gamecore threading in your config.ini, and see if it helps. If it does, please also post the top 3 sections (down through audio) of your DXDIAG so we can take a look. Thanks!

1. Open up your config.ini
2. Look for the following line: EnableGameCoreThreading = 1
3. Change it to: EnableGameCoreThreading = 0

Thanks, and let me know.

 

Hi,

Noticed that in another post and already tried it. No joy I am afraid.

 

Here is my dxdiag:

Spoiler :

System Information
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Time of this report: 6/15/2012, 16:54:47
Machine name: GREG-PC
Operating System: Windows 7 Ultimate 64-bit (6.1, Build 7601) Service Pack 1 (7601.win7sp1_gdr.120503-2030)
Language: English (Regional Setting: English)
System Manufacturer: Equus Computer Systems
System Model: Nobilis
BIOS: Default System BIOS
Processor: Intel(R) Core(TM) i7 CPU 930 @ 2.80GHz (8 CPUs), ~2.8GHz
Memory: 12288MB RAM
Available OS Memory: 12278MB RAM
Page File: 2550MB used, 22003MB available
Windows Dir: C:\Windows
DirectX Version: DirectX 11
DX Setup Parameters: Not found
User DPI Setting: Using System DPI
System DPI Setting: 96 DPI (100 percent)
DWM DPI Scaling: Disabled
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Sound Tab 1: No problems found.
Sound Tab 2: No problems found.
Sound Tab 3: No problems found.
Input Tab: No problems found.

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DirectX Debug Levels
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Direct3D: 0/4 (retail)
DirectDraw: 0/4 (retail)
DirectInput: 0/5 (retail)
DirectMusic: 0/5 (retail)
DirectPlay: 0/9 (retail)
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I tried your suggestion and it did work. Still some sync problems with animation slow to the game. Information screens snap up before the unit reaches its destination and the turn times are still longer but at least manageable to work the game until a better fix comes along.

So I guess this means my dual core won't run this patch even though it suppose to be a dual core or better patch?

At least you are on the right path.... keep working till I see the patch working as well as before the release of the patch.

 

so since it isn't line-up with the animation (before the unit finishes its moves) the patch will have to be adjusted to better sync with the animation. An animation sync bug with the patch?

 

what about the little bug when I set quick combat under the general option menu before I load a game. When I set this and than set up a game to play I notice that both 'quick combat' and 'quick movement' has been set in the game menu. Sounds odd when you have both as an option now in the general option screen. Sounds like a little bit of a glich when both are selected when designing your game.... Right now you are better to not select either one of the options and continue what I was doing before the patch and select them myself in the game design part.

 

Yeah, I just bought the game after giving the demo a shot since my graphics card isn't supposed to run Civ 5. Well, it ran the game just fine until the patch. Bought the game for my son while he was on vacation as a surprise and now I get to show him a bugged game when he gets home tomorrow. Mine lags so much, it's really not playable. Turns probably take ten times as long. This is a brand new game - not a save, but the turns take ten times longer than my turns took at the end of my last game prior to the patch. Annoying.

 

Try the solution (config file) posted above and let me know. On a lower end system like yours, are you seeing the lag during the turn, or in between turns primarily?

 

I have a very fast gaming notebook running the latest drivers. Civ V before the patch worked perfectly fine but I can confirm increasingly long turn times starting from renaissance area (roughly). I only play huge maps with 22 Civs, 28 CS, domination victory, Deity difficulty though.
After the patch I completely deleted "C:\Users\root\Documents\My Games\Sid Meier's Civilization 5", re-created my usual settings (resolution mainly) and started a new game. I do not use any mods.
EDIT: I disabled GameCoreThreading but turn times are the same. On a side-note: I can not confirm any of the issues described above (especially lag, there simply is none), just the long turn times.
This is my DXDiag Report:

Spoiler :

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System Information
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Time of this report: 6/16/2012, 15:37:22
Machine name: LOFWYR
Operating System: Windows 7 Professional 64-bit (6.1, Build 7601) Service Pack 1 (7601.win7sp1_gdr.120503-2030)
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D3D9 Overlay: Supported
DXVA-HD: Supported
DDraw Status: Enabled
D3D Status: Enabled
AGP Status: Enabled

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Sound Devices
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Description: Digital Audio (S/PDIF) (High Definition Audio Device)
Default Sound Playback: Yes
Default Voice Playback: Yes
Hardware ID: HDAUDIO\FUNC_01&VEN_10EC&DEV_0892&SUBSYS_15585102&REV_1003
Manufacturer ID: 1
Product ID: 65535
Type: WDM
Driver Name: HdAudio.sys
Driver Version: 6.01.7601.17514 (English)
Driver Attributes: Final Retail
WHQL Logo'd: n/a
Date and Size: 11/21/2010 05:23:47, 350208 bytes
Other Files:
Driver Provider: Microsoft
HW Accel Level: Basic
Cap Flags: 0x0
Min/Max Sample Rate: 0, 0
Static/Strm HW Mix Bufs: 0, 0
Static/Strm HW 3D Bufs: 0, 0
HW Memory: 0
Voice Management: No
EAX(tm) 2.0 Listen/Src: No, No
I3DL2(tm) Listen/Src: No, No
Sensaura(tm) ZoomFX(tm): No
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I tried this suggestion and it did speed up the game lot on my computer. Still slow turns but has become playable.

I was wondering about the time change for turns. It is set at 10 seconds. Does this mean that the game will take 10 seconds before it changes turn? Can shorten this up by putting in a smaller number? Will this affect the time the game takes to make descisions for AI and not make it playable?