King Flevance
Deity
blue3c said:
Bingo.
I have:
2.7Ghz P4
760M RAM
128 Vid Card (ATI)
Runs like crap since day 1.
wanna beta test, it only costs 50 or so.
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Bingo.
I have:
2.7Ghz P4
760M RAM
128 Vid Card (ATI)
Runs like crap since day 1.
Am i missing something or is this your argument ( blue3c)?you start out by telling us that Civ4 is more of a beta game than a finished one and that all in all it is a bad unfinished game, and they tricked you into buying the game ( beta), and end by telling us to boycott it.
Firstly i want to start out saying that i love your argument technique, that is,you seem to skip a pivitol part of the argument, telling us why its unfinished. I and apprently many others think it is a great game, but thats not imporant.
your saying that we should boycott this game not only becuase it is unfinished, but because they trick us into buying it
" Paying top dollar, at release, only to be suckered into a rushed to production unfinished game"
did they make you buy the game? no. Did they somehow mislead you in any way? no. Did you ahve to buy the game before wating to see what other people think about to guage weather its worth your money? no. as you yourself said you bought the game without knowing what it is
" I am sure you read Sid and said this game will rock no matter what."
so you bought the game based on brand loyalty ( perhaps the worst type of loyalty). Finished or unfinished they have a right to release their game in any stage of development, and they have a right to think they have a good product, it is up to the consumer ( thats you and me) to be able to wisly choose what to buy ( based on forums shuch as this wiht people who rate the game, and based on review sites, that all gave civ4 a great score).
lastly you say that sid owes us a apology and that anyhtign else is a " slap in the face". I got a little lost here. Even if we all agree that the game sucks and is otaly unfinished and buggy, why should they aplogize to us? have they dont anything wrong? did they make the game bad just to spite us, just to make our lives worse? no, they for varous reasons, from lazyness to senility or stupidity ( for the sake of argument, becuase i think its a great game) made a sub-standerd game, but they didnt market to any person individually, but instead but it on a rack and marketed to the world " buy our game". Thats not something you apologize for. If they or the box specificly told you to buy the game becuase you wont regret it ( when i first saw the civ4 box it spoke to me too
) then they should apologize, becuase asuming that everyone is earnest in thier advertisements, they lied to you and the comunity by saying that we woudnt regret it. But as I noted they didnt say that, they just said that is a good game.
The diffrence between the 2 advertisements is that the " its a good game" advertisement ( the one they used) is subjective and their earnest opinoin, something that they shoudnt apologize for.
while the " you wont regret it" advertisement ( the one you seemed to think they were using) it is factual,for you do, IN FACT, regret buying it. They never said you woudnt regret it, they never said you would like, they merley used thier right to be proud of thier work and said that siv4 rocks and we should buy it.
*phew -=-=-=*
actualy on thing that is more in the last place than the last, last argument. You also said that you dont like that BF2 runs bad on your comp and that it shoudnt because it is within min specs. If you haev the min specs that just means that the game wil run on your computer, but that it will run very badly ( thats what MINUMUM means). Also, had you of waited and read the reviews or looked on forums, you would have known that. All of the reviews i have read said that BF2 is a machine monster, and thier are plenty of people on forums like you who have similar specs who complain that ( with specs like yours) the game tuns terribly.
ps: every game forum i go to this type of thread pops up and every time i say practicly the same thing becuase for soem reason i cant comprehend this type of attack on developers pisses me off the most of all of the trolling that goes on on forums.
no hard feelings blue3c, if i sounded like a *******, its probobly becuase i am .
Firstly i want to start out saying that i love your argument technique, that is,you seem to skip a pivitol part of the argument, telling us why its unfinished. I and apprently many others think it is a great game, but thats not imporant.
your saying that we should boycott this game not only becuase it is unfinished, but because they trick us into buying it
" Paying top dollar, at release, only to be suckered into a rushed to production unfinished game"
did they make you buy the game? no. Did they somehow mislead you in any way? no. Did you ahve to buy the game before wating to see what other people think about to guage weather its worth your money? no. as you yourself said you bought the game without knowing what it is
" I am sure you read Sid and said this game will rock no matter what."
so you bought the game based on brand loyalty ( perhaps the worst type of loyalty). Finished or unfinished they have a right to release their game in any stage of development, and they have a right to think they have a good product, it is up to the consumer ( thats you and me) to be able to wisly choose what to buy ( based on forums shuch as this wiht people who rate the game, and based on review sites, that all gave civ4 a great score).
lastly you say that sid owes us a apology and that anyhtign else is a " slap in the face". I got a little lost here. Even if we all agree that the game sucks and is otaly unfinished and buggy, why should they aplogize to us? have they dont anything wrong? did they make the game bad just to spite us, just to make our lives worse? no, they for varous reasons, from lazyness to senility or stupidity ( for the sake of argument, becuase i think its a great game) made a sub-standerd game, but they didnt market to any person individually, but instead but it on a rack and marketed to the world " buy our game". Thats not something you apologize for. If they or the box specificly told you to buy the game becuase you wont regret it ( when i first saw the civ4 box it spoke to me too
) then they should apologize, becuase asuming that everyone is earnest in thier advertisements, they lied to you and the comunity by saying that we woudnt regret it. But as I noted they didnt say that, they just said that is a good game. The diffrence between the 2 advertisements is that the " its a good game" advertisement ( the one they used) is subjective and their earnest opinoin, something that they shoudnt apologize for.
while the " you wont regret it" advertisement ( the one you seemed to think they were using) it is factual,for you do, IN FACT, regret buying it. They never said you woudnt regret it, they never said you would like, they merley used thier right to be proud of thier work and said that siv4 rocks and we should buy it.
*phew -=-=-=*
actualy on thing that is more in the last place than the last, last argument. You also said that you dont like that BF2 runs bad on your comp and that it shoudnt because it is within min specs. If you haev the min specs that just means that the game wil run on your computer, but that it will run very badly ( thats what MINUMUM means). Also, had you of waited and read the reviews or looked on forums, you would have known that. All of the reviews i have read said that BF2 is a machine monster, and thier are plenty of people on forums like you who have similar specs who complain that ( with specs like yours) the game tuns terribly.
ps: every game forum i go to this type of thread pops up and every time i say practicly the same thing becuase for soem reason i cant comprehend this type of attack on developers pisses me off the most of all of the trolling that goes on on forums.
no hard feelings blue3c, if i sounded like a *******, its probobly becuase i am
.homegrown
Missionary of Sorenism
I just thought I'd put this out there... another game I work on today updated some pixel shader code.. and guess what happened.... ATI cards across the board had difficulties and we had to roll back to the previous client until it gets fixed.
The point is... the issues some players have had with Civ 4 are not isolated, and instead, reinforce the fundamental fact that ATI video cards suck for gaming. Don't blame the messenger. And don't blame the developer.
The point is... the issues some players have had with Civ 4 are not isolated, and instead, reinforce the fundamental fact that ATI video cards suck for gaming. Don't blame the messenger. And don't blame the developer.
Marquis Mark
Chieftain
blue3c said:
You need to talk to the publishers, not the developers -- 2K Games and EA Games, respectively.
If devs had their way, they'd have 4+ year dev cycles to make the game the way they want it. But bottom line is that the companies have to make money, that's what publishers are for. They manage milestones, release dates, marketing and other business-related decisions.
I work for a very large game publishing company myself, and I'll tell you this, we have to pry the game out of their hands to release it. Developers LOVE their games and truely want them to be the best they can be. I've gained the utmost respect for the teams that create these games -- their drive and passion is unequaled.
If you want to make a real difference (and not just complain), write to 2K games, and tell them your grievences. I'd bet money that Firaxis would have spent another 6+ months on this had they not been pressured by the bottom line to release now. I know from experience that we pressure our developers to release games before they are ready.
As for BF2 -- DICE is a great developer and they absoultely know what they're doing. EA, however, loves to push that dollar hard, and what you get is the great (however buggy and feature incomplete) release of BF2. BF1942 was the same way. But this is getting OT...
Apologies for having a harsh tone, because I do agree that games need to come out in a more finished state. However, know where to turn these complaints to before instantly flaming the people who worked hard to make their ideas into a finished game.
King Flevance
Deity
MCMessiah said:
We have heard this all before. Your not the only person who claims this is our fault for buying this game. I will grant you, it is my fault I trusted a game I have never had any issues with ever. I was tempted in by my own illusions of "Sid Security."
Now, I was also tempted by looking at the reqs. Because, and I can say this honestly, before CIV 4 everytime I met the reqs (and sometimes even when I didn't) I have been able to get the game running the day I have purchased it. Not all of these were from the day of release but a lot were. (Within the week of release anyways) I have had my share of luck then because from what I hear when a game comes out its buggy and all kinds of problems arise.
So I was also tempted by my own previous luck that seems to have run out. Honestly I can't think of any game where when I met the reqs (even min) the game didnt run.
Now, with that said. OK my luck has ran out. It always does eventually right? Now as stated earlier for every 1 million people that bought the game 800G was happy and 200G was unhappy. Seems reasonable. Now lets go worldwide with it and say that 10M bought the game. 8M are happy and 2M people cant get it to run right. What it sounds like is "Well, screw those 2M" It may not be like that but Firaxis/Take 2 havent even released anything for we unlucky to aim at.
I have been told to update my computer too many times for my taste and been told to 'figure it out and quit whining' way too much.
I am not a programmer. Honestly, I dont even know how to do this Mod stuff in the game. I plan on learning because I want to make my own Civilization of the Blackfoot American Natives. But I shouldnt have to know how to get their game running on a system they claim can run the game. They should have put "(NOT ATI)" by the video rec specs.
We have been mislead by reqs. This computer has naked WIN XP, games, and Yahoo! Messenger only because I have someone that uses it for chatting long distance. And has above rec (not min) specs even if only an extra nudge of RAM.
Bottom line is, if anyone that has had no problems with the game was in my exact situation, I would bet alot of money they would be sitting here hoping for some news to the unfortunate ones too. Along with the occassional gripe post as well.
sbear
Chieftain
McMesiah what is your point? When a software manufacturer markets a game or any other software we expect it to work. We expect it to be finished and thorougly beta tested. The user has no duty in any way to read reviews or do anything else to find out how great a game is in terms of stability. If it turns out Firaxis/Take2 have dropped the ball they indeed do owe us an apology.
I agree that Civ4 is a great game but the amount of people who are having technical difficulties should be reason enough to become suspicious how well the producers tested the game before releasinbg it. The problems with ATI cards should have been foreseeable and avoidable. How come 1GB of memory seem not to be enough for a turn based game? Why does Civ4 crash my system in a way no other game does? We need answers to those questions and so far bad programming is the prime suspect.
Just for your info my system specs:
P4C @ 2600 MHz
1GB dual channel RAM
WinXPpro SP2 + all updates
Radeon X700 w/256MB + newest driver
& the game stability sucks!
PS: Don't be telling me "the game runs great for me, you suck!" It may well be that the game runs great for some users, but for many it does not and that is the point.
I agree that Civ4 is a great game but the amount of people who are having technical difficulties should be reason enough to become suspicious how well the producers tested the game before releasinbg it. The problems with ATI cards should have been foreseeable and avoidable. How come 1GB of memory seem not to be enough for a turn based game? Why does Civ4 crash my system in a way no other game does? We need answers to those questions and so far bad programming is the prime suspect.
Just for your info my system specs:
P4C @ 2600 MHz
1GB dual channel RAM
WinXPpro SP2 + all updates
Radeon X700 w/256MB + newest driver
& the game stability sucks!
PS: Don't be telling me "the game runs great for me, you suck!" It may well be that the game runs great for some users, but for many it does not and that is the point.
King Flevance
Deity
Marquis Mark said:
I am going to do this myself.
LOL nice name BTW
well the problem with ati cards can be fixed fairly easily. I have a ATI card and i fixed teh problem in 2 min, just extreact that file and delete the packed version, presto.
Developers have the right to release any product they want, and i guess as you said consumers have the right to " (not) read reviews or do anything else to find out how great a game is in terms of stability".
Im not saying games should be released unsttable, what I am saying is that they have the full right to do so, and its not their fault if you bought the game not knowing if it was foulty or not. I could understand if you bought the game with a ATI card and they made no mention of it not running with ATI cards. If however it simply runs slowly on your computer ( meaning that the product works on your computer as they promised) that it your foult, becuase as i said you could of cheched furums to find out wheater 1gig of ram would lag or not ( BTW im sure that if you set your graphis to 640 x 800 it would run fast).
the game runs well ony any comp that meets the requirements and has pdated software and hardware. Ive never heard of a case diffrent from this. And if it didnt work, the developer has provided support, that will give you instruciton on how to make it work.
I dont understand what your arguing King Flevance. the ATi thing i got but i already mentioned that. were you or were you not able to get it running within a week?
sbear, you said "When a software manufacturer markets a game or any other software we expect it to work". As i said before, a developer has the right to sell anything they want, it works on most peoples machines. your problem seems to be fairly isolated ( ide say much less than a 1/5 as King Flevance claimed still cant thier game to work if they turned to support).
Bad programming might be the fualt of these technical difficulties, but i fial to see how taht changes anything. As i have said many times, the game came out, their were technical difficultues, it as all over many forums, like this one or the official one, or probobly even the ones onl a place like yahoo with user reviews.
if im starting to not make anymore sense it mostly becuase ive been awake scince 4 AM and its 11 PM already and my minds turning hazy
anywayas, my main point would be that there are 3 interconected iddeas at work here
1) developers, being in a capatalist society, have the right to release any product they want as long as they follow the laws, and that is as far as thier obligations go. 2) users are not forced to buy their product, and as the user agreement you agreeded to, it was your choice to buy the game. and 3) if you are not forced to buy anyhtign, and developers can release anything they want, and you have easy access to the internet ( your using it now ) and all of the internet review sites and forums,that adds up to mean that if you buy the game blindly and it dosent work, you should expect that.
Its kind of like when kids go on a family trips and buy a toy at the gift store. It rarley works but they buy it becuase it looks cool and they expect it to work simply becuase their young and naive. Any adult woul blame the kid ( hypotheticly, becuase i dont think you would actually blame a kid for buying abad toy ) for buying a toy from a place that would logicly have ****ty toys.
I should add however, that the way to change this is by boycotting, or by sending e-mails. The way to change it is to change one of the factors fo the problem, so that developers coudnt release anyhting they wanted. Make it so that there are oficial standerds a developer would relase their product by , kind of like game ratings ( like adults, mature, teens etc). but for game quility. Or boycot so the producers promises not to manifacutre the game unt8il the developers had had time to finish de-bugging their game
I should add that I think that the game, outside of the thechnical hicups during the first week, is fiarly bug free and a great game at that. Most of teh bugs are textual ( like the ones mentioned where civolopeadia entries dont match the other entires).
Developers have the right to release any product they want, and i guess as you said consumers have the right to " (not) read reviews or do anything else to find out how great a game is in terms of stability".
Im not saying games should be released unsttable, what I am saying is that they have the full right to do so, and its not their fault if you bought the game not knowing if it was foulty or not. I could understand if you bought the game with a ATI card and they made no mention of it not running with ATI cards. If however it simply runs slowly on your computer ( meaning that the product works on your computer as they promised) that it your foult, becuase as i said you could of cheched furums to find out wheater 1gig of ram would lag or not ( BTW im sure that if you set your graphis to 640 x 800 it would run fast).
the game runs well ony any comp that meets the requirements and has pdated software and hardware. Ive never heard of a case diffrent from this. And if it didnt work, the developer has provided support, that will give you instruciton on how to make it work.
I dont understand what your arguing King Flevance. the ATi thing i got but i already mentioned that. were you or were you not able to get it running within a week?
sbear, you said "When a software manufacturer markets a game or any other software we expect it to work". As i said before, a developer has the right to sell anything they want, it works on most peoples machines. your problem seems to be fairly isolated ( ide say much less than a 1/5 as King Flevance claimed still cant thier game to work if they turned to support).
Bad programming might be the fualt of these technical difficulties, but i fial to see how taht changes anything. As i have said many times, the game came out, their were technical difficultues, it as all over many forums, like this one or the official one, or probobly even the ones onl a place like yahoo with user reviews.
if im starting to not make anymore sense it mostly becuase ive been awake scince 4 AM and its 11 PM already and my minds turning hazy
anywayas, my main point would be that there are 3 interconected iddeas at work here
1) developers, being in a capatalist society, have the right to release any product they want as long as they follow the laws, and that is as far as thier obligations go. 2) users are not forced to buy their product, and as the user agreement you agreeded to, it was your choice to buy the game. and 3) if you are not forced to buy anyhtign, and developers can release anything they want, and you have easy access to the internet ( your using it now
) and all of the internet review sites and forums,that adds up to mean that if you buy the game blindly and it dosent work, you should expect that.Its kind of like when kids go on a family trips and buy a toy at the gift store. It rarley works but they buy it becuase it looks cool and they expect it to work simply becuase their young and naive. Any adult woul blame the kid ( hypotheticly, becuase i dont think you would actually blame a kid for buying abad toy
) for buying a toy from a place that would logicly have ****ty toys.I should add however, that the way to change this is by boycotting, or by sending e-mails. The way to change it is to change one of the factors fo the problem, so that developers coudnt release anyhting they wanted. Make it so that there are oficial standerds a developer would relase their product by , kind of like game ratings ( like adults, mature, teens etc). but for game quility. Or boycot so the producers promises not to manifacutre the game unt8il the developers had had time to finish de-bugging their game
I should add that I think that the game, outside of the thechnical hicups during the first week, is fiarly bug free and a great game at that. Most of teh bugs are textual ( like the ones mentioned where civolopeadia entries dont match the other entires).
Shaihulud
Deity
If people boycott the game, they will never finish patching it and you will never be able to play the game...
@King Flav: Yah know I might have been like that 25 years ago and I did call into the company if the game didn't work and we figured it out over the phone. Well, of course those days of customer service are gone and well now if I buy a game that doesn't work I muck around with my systemt till I get it to work.
Patches don't always fix "system" issues. Have you tried adjusting the speed of your accelerations of your video and sound by increments? Have you adjusted your virtual memory to 2-1/2 times your physical memory. Have you played around with each setting of your graphics card, there's a bunch of different settings like triple buffers, mip mapping, anisotroptic (sp) filtering, all kinds of things?
I had some issues with RTW when it first came out, stuttering mouse, slow, laggy combats. Stuff like that and by mucking with my settings with my graphics card was able to solve all the issues I had with RTW, while others screamed it was broken out of the box, piece of crap, etc. etc.
I'm intelligent enough after 25 years of computer gaming to know, every system is not the same and just because a box says I meet min requirements or even max requirements does in no way mean my system is going to run the game. It's always a chance and I would think by now most people would understand this as much as they accept all games have bugs when released. Both go hand n hand.
As you have said, you're luck ran out, but, that doesn't mean you can't muck with your system and make it work, sometimes even backtracking to older drivers will cause a game that wouldn't work before to actually work. I have a pet pieve myself, if the games are working I never upgrade my graphics/sound drivers and until I've tried all other avenues of mucking with my system I still won't upgrade them until the last resort. Main reason, several times when upgrading drivers for one NEW game, screws up a load of OLD games.
Having been a tech for AOL for several years, I learned a lot about people and what they "think" that should be about computers and their systems. Once you get many of them to realize a specification is nothing but a specification, it's not a law of computers, then it's easier to help them and for them to help themselves when it comes to technical issues.
Convincing many of them to get some virus/spyware dectection/removal programs on their systems is one of the harder things to do. Just because you don't 'think' you have any viruses or spyware or it just doesn't jump out in your face, doesn't mean you don't have 100's of them on your system. I've seen systems that use the FREE internet spyware/virus detectors/removers and then run a "real spyware/virus" detector/remover program on them and find 100's of infected files. FREE stuff isn't worth crap when it comes to protecting your system. If you don't have a virus/spyware program that updates "daily" you aren't protected and have a piece of crap spyware/virus protection program cause new virues/spyware are created every single day and nearly every single minute.
Don't be afraid to muck with your systems, that's why XP has system "restore", just be sure and do a full restore before mucking with it and if you do foul something up, the restore will bring it back just like it was before you mucked with it.
Patches don't always fix "system" issues. Have you tried adjusting the speed of your accelerations of your video and sound by increments? Have you adjusted your virtual memory to 2-1/2 times your physical memory. Have you played around with each setting of your graphics card, there's a bunch of different settings like triple buffers, mip mapping, anisotroptic (sp) filtering, all kinds of things?
I had some issues with RTW when it first came out, stuttering mouse, slow, laggy combats. Stuff like that and by mucking with my settings with my graphics card was able to solve all the issues I had with RTW, while others screamed it was broken out of the box, piece of crap, etc. etc.
I'm intelligent enough after 25 years of computer gaming to know, every system is not the same and just because a box says I meet min requirements or even max requirements does in no way mean my system is going to run the game. It's always a chance and I would think by now most people would understand this as much as they accept all games have bugs when released. Both go hand n hand.
As you have said, you're luck ran out, but, that doesn't mean you can't muck with your system and make it work, sometimes even backtracking to older drivers will cause a game that wouldn't work before to actually work. I have a pet pieve myself, if the games are working I never upgrade my graphics/sound drivers and until I've tried all other avenues of mucking with my system I still won't upgrade them until the last resort. Main reason, several times when upgrading drivers for one NEW game, screws up a load of OLD games.
Having been a tech for AOL for several years, I learned a lot about people and what they "think" that should be about computers and their systems. Once you get many of them to realize a specification is nothing but a specification, it's not a law of computers, then it's easier to help them and for them to help themselves when it comes to technical issues.
Convincing many of them to get some virus/spyware dectection/removal programs on their systems is one of the harder things to do. Just because you don't 'think' you have any viruses or spyware or it just doesn't jump out in your face, doesn't mean you don't have 100's of them on your system. I've seen systems that use the FREE internet spyware/virus detectors/removers and then run a "real spyware/virus" detector/remover program on them and find 100's of infected files. FREE stuff isn't worth crap when it comes to protecting your system. If you don't have a virus/spyware program that updates "daily" you aren't protected and have a piece of crap spyware/virus protection program cause new virues/spyware are created every single day and nearly every single minute.
Don't be afraid to muck with your systems, that's why XP has system "restore", just be sure and do a full restore before mucking with it and if you do foul something up, the restore will bring it back just like it was before you mucked with it.
King Flevance
Deity
MCMessiah said:
Tried that twice actually
Game not only runs slow but also has alot of graphical bugs. My comp DOES meet the specs and software hardware is all updated. (Some people even talked me into going to older drivers cause they said THAT is what got it working for them)
As far as support, I have yet to be able to contact them.
I was not. It is working as it did when I got it. Buggy graphics and a memory leak that most of the time has me playing zoomed in all the way and zooming out to world view then in 1 notch to see color on the land. I am only playing it in this state because I paid 60 bucks. I am gonna at least see what I bought... or try to.
Its hard to get through right now. Or at least it is for me anyways. Central US Timezone.
Yep. Capitalism sucks. IMO
I know.
You lost me somewhat here. This is like saying because it is possible, a TV you buy could potentially not work. You get it home and it doesnt work, so you take back and the store says "Sorry we dont take TVs back anymore because too many companies are making faulty ones and we cant resale them or even get credit." You can't be mad because you knew it was possible. That isnt fair to the consumer, its almost loophole. Then have the TV company not be ready to give full customer support the weekend the TV came out. (Pretend its some uber TV that was hyped up)3) if you are not forced to buy anyhting, and developers can release anything they want, and you have easy access to the internet ( your using it now
As said though the only way anything is going to change is if we the consumers make them change it thus, I am going to send an email to Take 2. Not garaunteed they will read it.
But its all I can do atm. When I do finally get ahold of someone as far as tech support goes I am going to have some stuff to say then too.Its like the fun fact of knowing if everyone in America agreed not to buy gas in 1 day it would drop in price to about $.50 a gallon overnight. That is the power of the people right there. So, If you CIV 4 game doesnt work and you are dissatisfied, contact them and say 'your game sucked'
At least it is something, dont let all this griping be for nothing.
Lorteungen
Warlord
@McMessiah
Honestly, can't you read? The poster said he had the RECOMMENDED specs (sorry for yelling but it's apparently necessary), not the MINIMUM specs. If you have the recommended specs you should be able to count on the game running flawlessly at default settings. That is why they have recommended and minimum specs on the box in case you were wondering. Well the game doesn't run flawlessly at those specs, not even close (if it even runs)! If the game needs 3 gb of ram to fun flawlessly at default settings then they should have wrote so. Also if it's really true that 25% of the customers have problems with their game (which I doubt tbh) that would be an outrage.
Your unbelievably naive take on capitalism holds no water what so ever. I don't even know where to start on that one, so I won't since it'll probably be in vain.
Personally, I haven't experienced any serious bugs in Civ4 and it seems reasonably stable. I also think that overall it is a good game and I'm not sorry I bought it. It is however slow as **** and even though my machine can run it fairly well I can definitely see the point of most of the complainers. All you morons (yes, I'm looking specifically at you Ravinhood) with your 4000+ and 3 gb of ram saying it runs flawlessly in every goddamn thread should be banned for trolling. Good for you but nobody cares and nobody should. It's not relevant if it runs well on your (for a TBS) ridiculously overpowered pc, it's only relevant that it doesn't run well on pc's that meet the recommended requirements.
Honestly, can't you read? The poster said he had the RECOMMENDED specs (sorry for yelling but it's apparently necessary), not the MINIMUM specs. If you have the recommended specs you should be able to count on the game running flawlessly at default settings. That is why they have recommended and minimum specs on the box in case you were wondering. Well the game doesn't run flawlessly at those specs, not even close (if it even runs)! If the game needs 3 gb of ram to fun flawlessly at default settings then they should have wrote so. Also if it's really true that 25% of the customers have problems with their game (which I doubt tbh) that would be an outrage.
Your unbelievably naive take on capitalism holds no water what so ever. I don't even know where to start on that one, so I won't since it'll probably be in vain.
Personally, I haven't experienced any serious bugs in Civ4 and it seems reasonably stable. I also think that overall it is a good game and I'm not sorry I bought it. It is however slow as **** and even though my machine can run it fairly well I can definitely see the point of most of the complainers. All you morons (yes, I'm looking specifically at you Ravinhood) with your 4000+ and 3 gb of ram saying it runs flawlessly in every goddamn thread should be banned for trolling. Good for you but nobody cares and nobody should. It's not relevant if it runs well on your (for a TBS) ridiculously overpowered pc, it's only relevant that it doesn't run well on pc's that meet the recommended requirements.
<---Can officially write off anything further you have to say based on this information alone.Ravinhood said:
And as far as free software not being good for anything what hole have you been living in?
What about AVG and this little company called Lavasoft? Or even Sygate?
Ravinhood said:
If I purchase a game and my system is at or better than the recommended requirements it had better run on my system or the company is using false advertising. That is what is meant by that phrase in case you weren't aware of it.
Just get a patch out soon and we can leave this behind us, hopefully.
Ex-Cop
Warlord
Blue3c, you sicken me. Never post again.
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bman003
Federation President
All right the game runs fine for release but I have to admit there are some just flat out high school paper mistakes. Let's see I have mislabeled cds and a tech chart in french. I'm sorry but I can't right a paper in school and not have it in the language that I'm suppose to be using in that class. Also, if I was to pull a similar stunt like that in class I'd get marked down. Even though I'm pleased now, it gave me the first impression of half assed, and I don't think you should get that first impression for 50 bucks.
Ok... I said it, I'm done.
Ok... I said it, I'm done.
King Flevance
Deity
Ravinhood said:Don't be afraid to muck with your systems, that's why XP has system "restore", just be sure and do a full restore before mucking with it and if you do foul something up, the restore will bring it back just like it was before you mucked with it.
That is actually an idea I hadnt relied on. Not knowing too much about this stuff like
lol I honestly dont know what some of that even means. I have never had to mess with video cards until recently. I am going to have to save these settings tonight and just start tinkering and button mashing tomorrow. I will give it a whirl.
***NOT AIMED AT ANYONE***
(Let me gripe real fast)
I shouldn't have to do this dammit. I didnt pay 60 bucks for a puzzle of how the F*** do I get this game to run. It should do it because thats what noble businessmen do is look out for the needs of their consumer. Just because thats what the other companies do doesnt mean you have to as well. Have some dignity and take pride in your efforts and lookout for all of your patrons not just the 'lucky ones' Thats where the phrase 'They dont make them like they used to' came from.
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Ok. Now with that out in the world I feel better.
Thanks for that Ravin. I will be toying with it for a while. Hopefully I can figure something out.
King Flevance
Deity
Ex-Cop said:
LOL. That got me good on a look through. Good thing I wasnt drinking.
I feel your pain Blue. Keep posting. Just make sure you voice your opinion wherever you can to the companies.
GreenMonkey
Chieftain
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Not a beta.
Well balanced.
Almost bug free.
There are some stability problems. Gonna happen with some unforseen combinations. Put an older Via KT133 board together with an Nvidia ti4200 and it likely crashes in 3d games, for example. They can't check every single combination of hardware.
They quickly released a quickfix for ATI cards. Quick, quick release. And a patch this week. That's great customer service!
BTW those that say that your computer is spyware free (but don't seem to know what video card you have and post something vague like 128MB ATI). I am hazarding a guess that you aren't super-duper computer saavy.
How many spyware programs, anti-virus, etc have you run? None of them catch everything (especially spyware cleaners). Many people at work think they have no spyware because they ran AdAware. Did you also try Spybot S&D, Spysweeper, and Microsoft Anti-Spyware? Cause all of them catch/clean some stuff the others don't.
Can your PC also pass a burn-in or memory check? How stable is it REALLY?
These are some important questions to ask yourself. PCs are not consoles. They are flexible machines that can have a multitude of hardware in them, and run a multitude of software. No program or game will be perfect or crash-free on release, for everyone.
For those of you with clean installs, updated and properly installed drivers, and TRULY spyware free installs, I feel for you. But the patch is out soon, and it's some outstanding customer service IMO to have it being released so quickly. EA's BFME players has been waiting for a gameplay, network connect, and debug CTD patch for 9 MONTHS. And the CTD error on BFME effects EVERYONE OCCASIONALLY!
Well balanced.
Almost bug free.
There are some stability problems. Gonna happen with some unforseen combinations. Put an older Via KT133 board together with an Nvidia ti4200 and it likely crashes in 3d games, for example. They can't check every single combination of hardware.
They quickly released a quickfix for ATI cards. Quick, quick release. And a patch this week. That's great customer service!
BTW those that say that your computer is spyware free (but don't seem to know what video card you have and post something vague like 128MB ATI). I am hazarding a guess that you aren't super-duper computer saavy.
How many spyware programs, anti-virus, etc have you run? None of them catch everything (especially spyware cleaners). Many people at work think they have no spyware because they ran AdAware. Did you also try Spybot S&D, Spysweeper, and Microsoft Anti-Spyware? Cause all of them catch/clean some stuff the others don't.
Can your PC also pass a burn-in or memory check? How stable is it REALLY?
These are some important questions to ask yourself. PCs are not consoles. They are flexible machines that can have a multitude of hardware in them, and run a multitude of software. No program or game will be perfect or crash-free on release, for everyone.
For those of you with clean installs, updated and properly installed drivers, and TRULY spyware free installs, I feel for you. But the patch is out soon, and it's some outstanding customer service IMO to have it being released so quickly. EA's BFME players has been waiting for a gameplay, network connect, and debug CTD patch for 9 MONTHS. And the CTD error on BFME effects EVERYONE OCCASIONALLY!
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