[BTS] Warhammer FB Conversion Beta - Download/Debug Thread

[Ajidica]

I think that the Dwarves need both more food and wealth at their capital. Since they are surrouned by goblins and orks, they dont really have anywhere to expand to coupled with Subterainian, this means they basically have a OCC for the entire game with little food and wealth. Also, Astragoth, (Evil Dwarves) has the defaulth Hammurabi Leaderhead and IIRC, no first contact text and custom music. This is the same with The Council of 13, no first contact text and theyre using the Indian diplotract from BTS. ALot of the CHaos civs have non-custom flags and one of the civs (Hodgoblins, IIRC) have the Native American Diplotract. Alot of the Greenskin civs need custom music.

Also, would it be possible to have a smaller Warhammer Map? EG, cut off Lustria, Cathay, and Nippon. Currently my comp has a fair bit of wait time between turns.

Another thing I noticed, The wood elves dont start with Lore of Athel Loren , they start with High Magic.

 

[Psychic_Llamas]

thanks Ahriman, i was meaning to getting around to do that, thanks saved me a lot of time

and thanks for the other bugs Ajidica added to the list.

 

[Ahriman]

You should try to make a master bug list at the top of this thread (or in a new thread). Any time a bug is reported, add it to the master list, and do this regularly. There are probably earlier bugs still reported in this thread that haven't been fixed as yet.

There are tons of missing diplomatic text, but I figure thats a low priority.

 

[Psychic_Llamas]

yeh, i added your list and Ajidicas bigs to the third post in this thread.

 

[rocklikeafool]

6. Some reports of Tilea still getting crazy great people (linked to insanity trait, maybe already fixed?).

I'm still seein this a lil. Not as bad as before tho.

8. Warhammer world map; many people cannot run. Goblins and Ork start positions messed up. Evil civ areas are too weak (terrain to poor to sustain a threatening civ). Too many troll lairs in Kislev.

This is the main reason I find playin the Orks and Gobbos not really fun. Also, the Trolls near Kislev spawn like crazy. In 200 turns, there's like 50 trolls. Prolly an exaggeration, but ya know wat I mean.

12. Trails vs roads split isn't working well; some AIs don't prioritize roads techs, so link up no resources so are incredibly weak. Increase AI value on roads techs for appropriate factions?

Maybe you should do wat was done w/ Fall Further (the FfH modmod). In that modmod, only the 2 Lizzie civs can build trails. Maybe the Lizzies, the Beastmen, and possibly a few others (Greenskins?....maybe; I could see them bein too lazy to build real roads and only trails cuz of that). Idk, jus a thought. Prolly should talk to Vehem if this appeals/would work for WHFB.

 

[Ahriman]

Maybe you should do wat was done w/ Fall Further (the FfH modmod). In that modmod, only the 2 Lizzie civs can build trails. Maybe the Lizzies, the Beastmen, and possibly a few others (Greenskins?....maybe; I could see them bein too lazy to build real roads and only trails cuz of that). Idk, jus a thought. Prolly should talk to Vehem if this appeals/would work for WHFB.

Ironicly, trails civs seem to be doing better than roads civs. I wonder if its just that the AI tends not to research the roads tech early enough, or if it is just too expensive.

I'd consider putting roads and trails back to crafting, and putting a really high AI weight on crafting. Problem on this is it makes a beeline for crafting a no-brainer tech strategy (like beeline for education tends to be in FFH).
Or reduce the cost to the roads tech.

I also really think that the whole watchtower thing should be fixed or abolished; thats the other prime think holding the AI back. They build watchtowers like crazy in forests before they can clear them and never build over them, so end up with not enough cottages and so terrible tech/economy and become walkovers.

Another solution would be to massively increase the required tech to build watchtowers (construction?) and increase their upgrade rate, so that the AI didn't start spamming them before they got bronze working for forest chopping.

Or to make forests clearing possible (at slow speed, and or with no hammer bonus) from the very start.

 

[Psychic_Llamas]

added watchtowers to the bug list

 

[Ahriman]

Woah....

Never built it before, but building the Grey Order wonder just caused massive bugs everywhere. Almost every number in the game suddenly displays as like some 9 digit number, unit experience, healthiness, happiness, unhappiness... basically the whole game goes AWOL.

I'm running the Estalia/Tilea test version so the save probably isn't much use, but might be worth testing if this is repeatable. I've never built it before, so I can't tell if its the building that is bugged or what.

*edit* not reproduceable from autosave.
The level 2 shadow magic spell "unseen lurker" is completely useless. It has no movement, so it can't attack, but since its invisible, any units can move into the same tile as it without attacking. What is the purpose of this unit??

 

[orangelex44]

If I had to guess (knowing nothing about the mod, really, just DL'ed it right now), I'd say it's a scout.

 

[Ahriman]

Well, not really... you have to move a mage to the relevant tile to cast the spell, and it is a high strength unit. I think it was intended to be able to attack.

In a mod with hawks, it would be the most inefficient scout in creation.

 

[Psychic_Llamas]

Woah....

Never built it before, but building the Grey Order wonder just caused massive bugs everywhere. Almost every number in the game suddenly displays as like some 9 digit number, unit experience, healthiness, happiness, unhappiness... basically the whole game goes AWOL.

I'm running the Estalia/Tilea test version so the save probably isn't much use, but might be worth testing if this is repeatable. I've never built it before, so I can't tell if its the building that is bugged or what.

WOW im gonnahave to check that out... no clue what could cause it

*edit* not reproduceable from autosave.
The level 2 shadow magic spell "unseen lurker" is completely useless. It has no movement, so it can't attack, but since its invisible, any units can move into the same tile as it without attacking. What is the purpose of this unit??

i didnt think the unit through well, ill give it one movement point, would that work better?

 

[Ahriman]

WOW im gonnahave to check that out... no clue what could cause it

It wasn't the Grey Order, that was coincidence. I had the crash happen again some turns later but was too quick to click through the python message to write it down. It was based on some event though, which makes me think it may have been an animosity bug.

i didnt think the unit through well, ill give it one movement point, would that work better?

Yes, much better. The spell that permanently gives Fear to all units in the stack will also need to be toned down (as fear is toned down, I guess).

All the spells though still need a massive rebalancing, and better text describing what they do. If you can give me a design file, I'll go through and make a ton of suggestions.

 

[Psychic_Llamas]

Yes, much better. The spell that permanently gives Fear to all units in the stack will also need to be toned down (as fear is toned down, I guess).

as a sudden boost of inspiration i also made the hidden lurker a summonable spy, which can explore rival territory and conduct spy missions seems flavourful for shadow magic. (might need to tone down the units strength to compensate)

also, i agree fear is insane atm i have some ideas for toning it down too (make a python call which causes nearby enemies to get -20% strength whenever they attack a unit with fear. ill make terror do -40% strength to attacking enemies. perhaps in addition a 5% chance that enemy units that are attacked by a unit with fear retreat 1 square directly away from the attacker and lose 20% of their health. make terror a 10% chance of fleeing?

ill make spells and such my main focus after the old world civs are done.

 

[kzwix]

Why not just give fear a 50% chance of prevening an enemy attack, instead of 100% as it is now ?

This would keep it's other aspects, but wouldn't be a "you can't attack me !" power anymore...

 

[Humakty]

I widely prefer the strength reduction effect on fear, as fear should only be a lack of discipline and thinking facing big creatures. Terror, on the other hand represent creatures of an awesome size (How much does weight a dragon ?) or truly horrifying in sight (a greater demon aura of warp energy), so it would be fitting to have a percent not to attack the monster (20-40 %)

 

[Ahriman]

I like the idea that fear is basically a 20% strength bonus vs units not immune to it (daemons, undead, machinery, units with courage, units immune to psychology) and that terror provides a 30% chance for non-immune units to fail to attack it.
Dragons have to be nasty but killable - particularly since they aren't heroes, they are rebuildable!

If you want both effects (strength bonus and no attacking) then give both promotions to the unit.

 

[Psychic_Llamas]

I like the idea that fear is basically a 20% strength bonus vs units not immune to it (daemons, undead, machinery, units with courage, units immune to psychology) and that terror provides a 30% chance for non-immune units to fail to attack it.
Dragons have to be nasty but killable - particularly since they aren't heroes, they are rebuildable!

good compromise. ill talk to vehem and see if he can help me code some python for this.

 

[Psychic_Llamas]

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[gendoikari87]

Okay I REALLY need help, ever time i try to load the mod it crashes. I have 0.13 and the latest patch but still it crashes. The other modes don't crash but this one does.

 

[Blake00]

Has taken a while to make sense of the 'paper trail' through all the old threads and different versions after all these years so correct me if I'm wrong on and anything and please let me know if you have the missing files and I can arrange new hosting here at CivFanatics and elsewhere to make sure they're not lost again..

There was originally a Warhammer Fantasy Battles for Vanilla Civ 4 released and then later removed due to being superseded.

Then there was a Warhammer Fantasy Battles for Civ4 Warlords released with a extra sound addon which had it's own separate thread here. However sadly the downloads are long gone, there's no webarcive backups and these releases have been lost.

Then there was a Warhammer Fantasy Battles for Civ4 Beyond The Sword 3.17 released using FFH. That is the version in the first post of this very thread your reading this in by @Ploeperpengel . Good news is I have fixed the broken image and downloads for version 0.13 and Patch E here & on the download page so thankfully this version is not lost. However it is highly unstable due to being a beta and for a older version of Civ4 BTS. There was a Patch F in the making but it was not released.

Presumably while in the process of making Patch F the project was merged with the Warhammer Mini mod project by @Psychic_Llamas which had it's own separate thread here. He did a 1.2 release and was up to a Patch C however sadly despite using the atomic gamer archive trick I was unable to rescue either file and these releases have been lost.

Presumably the merger project originally kept the Warhammer Fantasy Battles name but took on the Mini projects version numbers and had a 1.4 release with a extra sound addon in a new seperate thread here. However sadly the filefront downloads are long gone and these releases have been lost. According to the filefront webarchive backup page the download was called Warhammer_1.4.zip and was 201.31 MB. There was a Patch A released however it broke the mod and was removed from the thread but the download remains here. There was a Patch B in the making with a long list of changes but it was not released.

Presumably while in the process of making Warhammer Fantasy Battles 1.4 patch B they pivoted again and had a new version 1.5 release with a extra sound addon in a new separate thread here. Although the thread text doesn't match the thread title and says version 0.03 Alpha just to make things extra confusing lol, and I can see in the webarchive backup page that the original thread text said 1.5 as well so presumably the version numbers were 'back changed' with a future project name change. Sadly despite using the atomic gamer archive trick I was unable to rescue the files and these releases have been lost. There this a Patch A and a Patch B (not mentioned in the thread) hosted on CivFanatics but they are useless without the original main version 1.5 (0.03 Alpha) release.

Presumably while in the process of making Warhammer Fantasy Battles 1.5 (0.03 Alpha) patch B they pivoted again and the project was renamed to Warhammer Heart of Chaos, the a new version system was implemented, and had a new version 0.04 Alpha release with a extra sound addon in a new separate thread here. This is apparently the first version of the project compatible with Civ4 Beyond The Sword 3.19 (all the earlier versions including up to 1.5/0.03 Alpha will crash). However sadly the Megaupload downloads are long gone, there's no webarcive backups and these releases have been lost. There this a Patch A hosted on CivFanatics and a Patch B on Megaupload meaning it's also lost, but they are useless without the original main version 0.04 Alpha release. This appears to be the final version of the project so it is a real shame that both this release and it's final patch are currently lost!

EDIT: Looks like there were 0.01 and 0.02 Alpha releases between Warhammer Fantasy Battles 1.5 and Warhammer Heart of Chaos 0.03 Alpha after all! Using the atomic gamer archive trick I was I was able to rescue their files so thankfully this version is not lost. However I'm not sure yet if they're compatible with BTS 3.19 as we know it happened after 1.5 and before 0.03 Alpha. Download and more details here.

So if anyone happens to have the final Warhammer Heart of Chaos 0.04 Alpha release and Patch B & it's sound addon, or even the previous Warhammer Fantasy Battles 1.5 (renamed to Heart of Chaos 0.03 Alpha) or 1.4 versions please let me know and I can arrange new hosting here at CivFanatics and elsewhere to make sure they're not lost again.
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