Westernized values???

[DYNAMICS]

From sociological problems to science based natural problems to understanding Religion. Why does the west attack and undermine the natural values of nature? For example and you don’t have to blow this up, but women who work and have a career have no spare time to help their kids. If she choose a career path and has kids at a late age, she will be to old to raise them and may not be around for to long, hence all the social problems in society today.

I believe the society should base its value system on things that are morally right. e.g some one is starving and needs food, go give that person food, for they have a right to live. But western society will say, but hay! Should we give him food, because he can get a job and pay for it like everybody else!!!


Discuss…

 

[sysyphus]

Women in western society have the OPTION to work or stay home (as do men).

That's the point.

And it should be noted that children born to older parents generally turn out more well adjusted and have better relations with and more respect for their elders.

 

[potatokiosk]

In western society, people are responsible for themselves, and in return they can do what they feel is best for themselves. It's more natural to be true to yourself than to do as others please. Yes, problems arise, but problems will appear in any system.

 

[Irish Caesar]

And it should be noted that children born to older parents generally turn out more well adjusted and have better relations with and more respect for their elders.

Really?

I could certainly understand that if "older" is to mean older than 20 or so, but what is considered "older"?

 

[DYNAMICS]

But what about the consequence...

 

[Masquerouge]

From sociological problems to science based natural problems to understanding Religion. Why does the west attack and undermine the natural values of nature?

Maybe because culture, the thing that helps man being civilized, is in direct opposition to nature?

For example and you don’t have to blow this up, but women who work and have a career have no spare time to help their kids. If she choose a career path and has kids at a late age, she will be to old to raise them and may not be around for to long, hence all the social problems in society today.

You seem to assume raising the kids is something only women can do. That's not true. It's an old habit from times where people had to use their physical strenghts to get food. Now that, in part thanks to culture, we can use our brain, there's no reason why a kid should be raised by his/her mother instead of his/her father.
Plus quite frankly our body is built in such a way that women are not too old to raise kids, even if they get them at a late age. People don't die when they're 50 anymore.

I believe the society should base its value system on things that are morally right. e.g some one is starving and needs food, go give that person food, for they have a right to live. But western society will say, but hay! Should we give him food, because he can get a job and pay for it like everybody else!!!

I don't see the link to natural values here. Animals don't give food to other starving animals, on the contrary, the less competition they have the better. So if your example of "natural" values are sharing and helping others, you're completely wrong: these values are cultural, not natural.

 

[DYNAMICS]

Maybe because culture, the thing that helps man being civilized, is in direct opposition to nature?

when i say nature i mean, not the cave man type thing you seen on TV. but the understanding that the environment shapes a lot of things we do. If you burn fuel, it goes into the atmosphere. if you do this on an industrial scale you start to effect the inner cities, air pollution becomes a problem. Just look at Japan.

You seem to assume raising the kids is something only women can do. That's not true. It's an old habit from times where people had to use their physical strenghts to get food. Now that, in part thanks to culture, we can use our brain, there's no reason why a kid should be raised by his/her mother instead of his/her father.
Plus quite frankly our body is built in such a way that women are not too old to raise kids, even if they get them at a late age. People don't die when they're 50 anymore.

I'm not saying raising the kid by the farther is a bad thing, but what i'm saying is why don't we go back to the time when men acted like men...and women acted like women? What’s wrong with that?

I don't see the link to natural values here. Animals don't give food to other starving animals, on the contrary, the less competition they have the better. So if your example of "natural" values are sharing and helping others, you're completely wrong: these values are cultural, not natural.

once again i don't mean to say that we should reduce ourselves to the levels of animals, that would be a step back. we need to look at society and say, how can we improve it for the better? why don't we say, "look this is the human family and everybody deserves to live." free food, clothing and basic medical care should be available for all peoples on planet earth.

 

[Masquerouge]

when i say nature i mean, not the cave man type thing you seen on TV. but the understanding that the environment shapes a lot of things we do. If you burn fuel, it goes into the atmosphere. if you do this on an industrial scale you start to effect the inner cities, air pollution becomes a problem. Just look at Japan.

Okay so you're thinking ecology. That's very different. And that's very recent too, our ability to influence things on a planetary scale. Gotta give people time to get used to the idea.

I'm not saying raising the kid by the farther is a bad thing, but what i'm saying is why don't we go back to the time when men acted like men...and women acted like women? What’s wrong with that?

Probably because men do not need to act like men anymore? And because women had crappy lives when men acted like men? Reminds me of that great line in "America: the book" by Jon Stewart: "though they won't readily admit it, women liked it better when all they had to do was bake sh!t and pump out kids".

once again i don't mean to say that we should reduce ourselves to the levels of animals, that would be a step back. we need to look at society and say, how can we improve it for the better? why don't we say, "look this is the human family and everybody deserves to live." free food, clothing and basic medical care should be available for all peoples on planet earth.

If you were guaranteed free food, clothing and basic medical care, why would you work? And if nobody worked, who would make the free food, the clothes, and the medocs?
Actually, I know the answer: robots. I'm serious. Once we have advanced robots, mankind is in for one long golden age.

 

[sysyphus]

Really?

I could certainly understand that if "older" is to mean older than 20 or so, but what is considered "older"?

mid to late 30s.

 

[warpus]

Why does the west attack and undermine the natural values of nature?

Hehe.. I hope you now realize how ridiculous that sounds.

Values change..

 

[Masquerouge]

Yeah, plus you have to explain all that "West" thing. What alternative do you suggest to it?

 

[Speedo]

And it should be noted that children born to older parents generally turn out more well adjusted and have better relations with and more respect for their elders.

I can relate to that. My parents were in their mid 30s when I was born, and I've always found it easier to relate to older adults than my "peers".

For example and you don’t have to blow this up, but women who work and have a career have no spare time to help their kids. If she choose a career path and has kids at a late age, she will be to old to raise them and may not be around for to long, hence all the social problems in society today.

I'll blow it up, beacuse it's utter nonsense.

Unless by "have no spare time to help them" you mean "can't spend every second with them, coddling them and doing the 10,000 activies they think necessary for a 'well-rounded' childhood". If we can get rid of that, so much the better.

 

[Tycoon101]

Call me a jerk, but I still think that women's first priority should be staying at home, and raising the kids. Only if the family doesn't want/have kids should the woman go to work.

But I agree, Westerners are softening too many natural laws. Why do people call the weeding out of the mentally ill, and physically lame horrible? It's a natural occurance that our current medical system seems to have blocked. I think it's our medical system's fault for many of the problems that the West has.

By letting people, who should be dead, live, we are playing god, we are testing death. Humans have the ability to do so, but we weren't meant to do this.

 

[tomsnowman123]

Western society is deeply flawed, but ultimately better than other countries.