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I was just stating that I don't try to diminish Egypt's value. And was adding that Babylon is great as well, and that Egypt was overrated regarding its legacy.Rowain deWolf said:
It is ONE example, not the proof. For a proof I'd need to do a thesis, and this I don't want to do. Funnily, before you wrote this, I had thought of the 'Stargate' movie. It is interesting to note that, in that movie, Egypt is still seen through archeologistic eyes : the hero is an archeologist (IIRC), and we get to see actions from the 1920s, and in the end the mysterious people is none other than cousins from the real Ancient Egyptians. Tell me where in 'Matrix' Babylon is mentioned. Never. There is just the name of the ship. That was my point. Just like we use Greek- and Latin-based words everyday without knowing it, this movie uses a legacy from the old Babylon without naming it. That's a whole difference for me !Sorry but simply because a moviemaker named a 'Ship' Nebukadnedzar is really no prove that Babylon has an influence in our worldFor what is worth the Goauld(spelling?) in the Stargate-universe have egyptian names.
The Babylonian civilization indeed was lost too. It just happened that its legacy has survived more than the Egyptian one (my point).You really thing anybody in the middleages bothered about Babylon???
Declaring that Ancient Egypt was a lost Civilisation and claiming that Babylon was not seems a bit farfetched to me.
Irrelevant.Yeah and a utter nuissance this legacy is. Would be more fond of them if they had chosen 100 Minutes for the hour.
I'm sorry that the Ancient Egyptians didn't set up this hour system and manage to spread it around the world.A bit unfair for Sumer indeed, though Babylon stands as one kingdom, whereas Sumer was more a collection of city-states except at the end of its independence (late 3rd millenium BC). It's another indication that the Sumerian heritage wasn't confined to its people (not Semitic nor Indo-European), but was able to be transmitted to other tribes (Akkadians and Babylonians (Amorrites), both Semitic tribes).
I really disagree with your statement about Egypt here. In terms of civilization, Ancient Egypt almost ceased to exist after the Roman absorption, and the Arabs definitely killed it. The same can be said about Babylon as a civilization when the Persians conquered it, though the Persians respected the people they conquered. Alex tried to do it as well, but anyway the Arabs ended everything related to the Ancient Era. The fact is, some cultures survive elsewhere, some others don't.
Everything isn't black & white, but that is roughly what I think.
Well, I didn't say that science isn't part of culture, but that culture is a lot more than science. The Egyptians may have done a lot in mathematics, astronomy, etc..., you should be aware that the Babylonians did a lot as well in those precise fields. The fact that our sexagecimal system comes from Mesopotamia is an indication that we owe them something, be it good or bad, be it something early or late.
Now, I don't pretend to be a living encyclopedy at all. I won't write a thesis about the impact of Babylon on our world today (much easier to do that with the Greeks anyway !). And I won't deny that Babylon is a good candidate to encompass the whole of Mesopotamia, which shouldn't be ashamed of anything in front of Egypt.
IMHO England is nowhere near those 7.
