What about ethnic groups?

[SicilyGuy]

In Civ 4 it'd b cool if you could have ethnic groups. Such as England. It has the Scots, Welsh, Irish, and English. Plus if England conquers say Germany there is a newethnic group called the German-British.

Here'd b a list of ethnic groups:

England-Scots, English, Welsh, Irish
Spain-Sardinians, Spaniards
America-Caucasian, Negro, Asian, Hispanic, Eskimo
China-Tibetans, Chinese, Taiwanese
Germany-Prussians, Poles
France-Normans, Burgundians
Mali-Ibo, Hausa, Ashanti, Fulani, etc
Russia-Russians, Ukrainians, Chechnyans, Finns, Belarusians, Latvians, Estonians, Kazakhs, Uzbeks, Turkmenistanians

Each ethnic group could become more dominant in the country. You as a leader can unite all of the ethnic groups in an ethnic collision to become one ethnic group. Also different groups can form different countries if you treat their group badly.

Examples: You are in charge of England. In the beginning of the game you choose that you as a leader are part of the...Scots. Your a Scot. In the game you discriminate the Irish and make them live in small houses with no running water. The UN (which can send UN troops to end ethnic mistreatment) doesn't do anything. You keep it up. The Irish can form militias and take over mostly-Irish cities. They rob vaults and resources. You can allow them their own country or fight back.

Another thing. Say in England you are (again) a Scot and the Welsh and Irish hate each other. You as a Scot can help one group or stop the arguments.

It's kind of a dumb idea but, you know. It's just an idea.

 

[mastertyguy]

Would be cool. It could lead to civil wars. I like your idea.

 

[Urederra]

I am Spanish and it is the first time I heard the word "sardinians". What's that? When I travel to USA I always tell at customs that I am a caucasian.

It sounds like sardines, that kind of fish.

Maybe this is more accurate:

Spain- castilian, basque, Catalan, galician..

 

[madviking]

China-Tibetans, Chinese, Taiwanese

add Japan, Korea, Mongolia, and perhaps Polynesia

 

[Urederra]

aaaahhhhh..... Sardinia, the Island Sorry, I didn't recognize it in English. In Spanish is called Cerdeña. I don't know what's the relation with Spain, anyway.

 

[Son_Of_Dido]

It would answer the question of "where do all the barbarians go?" that Civ3 leaves us with, once the spread of your cultural borders has "civilized" the countryside and the barbies aren't showing up in huts and encampments anymore.

So here you go: They're not gone in the later eras; they're now an ethnic minority in your country. That may or may not cause trouble in the quest for political autonomy. Perhaps somewhat akin to how citizens from another civ behave in your [conquered] cities.

Oooh, and wouldn't it be kinda cute if one of the drawbacks to the more authoritarian governments (Communism, Fascism, etc) was your cities occasionally lose a population point or two due to emigration/"defection" to other civs. [On the other end, you'd get a pop up saying "President Washington, some Russian emmigrants fed up with Communism wish to join our great Democracy!" And you could take them into one of your cities and thus end up with a Russian ethnic minority that causes all the usual troubles, or you could turn them away, or maybe do some other, nasty, reputation-damaging things to them ]

 

[rhialto]

Better not tell any of the Scottish that they're English. I *think* I know what you're suggesting, but can you explain it a little better?

In any case, I'm not quite sure why you'd choose to mistreat a minority. Isn't that just inviting trouble. What's the gain?

 

[Aussie_Lurker]

For my part, I would be happy if they simply kept 'Culture Groups' from Civ3 (with Africa added, of course). That said, it would be cool to have 'Ethnic Groups' as well. If this were the case, however, you would probably have to change England to Britain-and have ethnic groups like English, Scottish, Welsh and Irish.
Then you could have the French broken up into Norman, Burgundian, Carolingian and Merovingian. Germany could be broken up into Angle, Saxon, Jute and Frankish. Perhaps the appearance of ethnic groups might depend on how far from the 'core' of your nation a city is, and whether a city consists of multiple religions and/or nationalities-as well as proximity to other nations with very strong culture.
As for why you would mistreat minorities, I can only think that it would be to reduce the chance of riots and/or secession-by making your cities more 'ethnically pure'.

Yours,
Aussie_Lurker.

 

[SicilyGuy]

Galicians are Austro-Poles from WW1!

 

[SicilyGuy]

To Spanish guy:

Spain owned Sardinia in the 1500 and 1600s!

 

[Urederra]

I know, I know, But Spain owned so many places back in those days. And there are still people who wanted Spain out. Spain also owner the Nederlands, but nobody puts the dutch and the spanish together as an ethnic group.

(And That was just in Europe, You can also count the places Spain owned in Africa, Americas and Asia (The Philipines have their name due to the ruling king in Spain, Philip the second, if I remember correctly))

 

[Superkrest]

i do like the "idea". but like all things it needs work..but i think it has serious potential for alot of peoples want for more realistic civs... i know that slavery and abolition are in civ4 so why not make the newly freed slaves a minority group that behave alot like un assimulated population..that can either be a hassle or a serious help depending on your treatment of them