What Civ are you most surprised is missing?

vit_sin said:
Better be 700+ people, cause Maya, Inca and Aztec does not exist today, at all.

jekke, next article is definitely not for you, don't bother, keep smoking ))
But for those folks who indeed interested here is one: "Russian conquest of Siberia" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_conquest_of_Siberia
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Before anything, I must say Greetings to everybody!

Hi vit sin, I hope you ralize that denied the living culture of at least 7 millions Mayans, 1.5 millions Nahuas and 10 millions Quechuas can be very offensive.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maya_peoples
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nahua_peoples
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quechua_people
 
killmeplease said:
you can see how good mongols were for the chinese economy
220px-China_Europe_population_1000-1975.svg.png

and russia isnt on the graph, its southern parts were literally devasted
genghis khan killed 10% of the world population, its like 5 hitlers
stop praising those barbarians, its an insult to humanity
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Who has painted that? Chinese economy is good but it must be very long ago that they probably top the continental Europe economy even without Russia. This must be in times when such Numbers were not charged.

But on your conclusion that Mongolian Expansion was not good for the economy and world trade short term you are right.
So in this point I will be on your side.
One reason for the European states to sail westward to India and reach America was that the Mongols under Timur Lenk break the old trade system of the the Levant. The result was that China had fallen back and Europe became dominant.
 
Let's see, here's my list of the top 18 missing civilizations in CVI:

1. Persia
2. Mongolia
3. Assyria
4. Babylon
5. Inca
6. Maya
7. Byzantium
8. Ottomans/Turkey
9. Ethiopia
10. Hittite
11. Carthage
12. Korea
13. Siam
14. Moors (or Morocco)
15. Netherlands
16. Portugal
17. Holy Roman Empire
18. Mali

Besides those;, Italy, Austria, Poland, Prussia, Hungary, Iroquois, Cherokee, Israel, Ashanti, Zulu, Phoenicia, Tibet, Khmer, Vietnam, Macedonia, Minoans, Celts, Goths(Visigoths), Slavs(Wends), Sweden, Denmark, Scotland, Kush(or Nubia), Armenia(ancient kingdom), Parthia, Gaul...

There are several more choices, civilizations or fascinating tribes.
As long as relevant historically (for a period of more than a handful of years) and offering interesting Great Leader and (especially) Uniques, should be considered.

I'd like to add USSR to this list, fascinating, unique and original, so what if Russian speaking like Russia, Americans speak English in the game just like the English do (only with a different accent).

Forgot to add Canada and Australia up there as well!
Why not? Brazil's in.
 
ales_ said:
Holy Roman Empire while Frederick Barbarossa is already a leader of Germany?
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Frederick is leader of both, with the same LUA. And when both are in the same game and you open the diplomacy screen, it takes a second or two for him to come lurching into the frame from the other leader scene, huffing and puffing from exhaustion.

There will also be a hidden easter egg where if you open each scene one after the other in sequence too many times in the same turn he stops showing up and both civs fade into obscurity as they stop making any progress.
 
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Khazaria and Tatars could also be considered (in the third and final expansion, for example).
 
daft said:
Let's see, here's my list of the top 18 missing civilizations in CVI:

1. Persia
2. Mongolia
3. Assyria
4. Babylon
5. Inca
6. Maya
7. Byzantium
8. Ottomans/Turkey
9. Ethiopia
10. Hittite
11. Carthage
12. Korea
13. Siam
14. Moors (or Morocco)
15. Netherlands
16. Portugal
17. Holy Roman Empire
18. Mali

Besides those;, Italy, Austria, Poland, Prussia, Hungary, Iroquois, Cherokee, Israel, Ashanti, Zulu, Phoenicia, Tibet, Khmer, Vietnam, Macedonia, Minoans, Celts, Goths(Visigoths), Slavs(Wends), Sweden, Denmark, Scotland, Kush(or Nubia), Armenia(ancient kingdom), Parthia, Gaul...

There are several more choices, civilizations or fascinating tribes.
As long as relevant historically (for a period of more than a handful of years) and offering interesting Great Leader and (especially) Uniques, should be considered.

I'd like to add USSR to this list, fascinating, unique and original, so what if Russian speaking like Russia, Americans speak English in the game just like the English do (only with a different accent).

Forgot to add Canada and Australia up there as well!
Why not? Brazil's in.
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Having the USSR and Russia or Germany and HRE is rather like having England and the United Kingdom or the French Monarchy and Republic of France as separate civs. Civilizations do not equal nation-states; governments change but civilizations may nevertheless continue uninterrupted.
 
Zaarin said:
Having the USSR and Russia or Germany and HRE is rather like having England and the United Kingdom or the French Monarchy and Republic of France as separate civs. Civilizations do not equal nation-states; governments change but civilizations may nevertheless continue uninterrupted.
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Let me make myself clear: it's Russia or USSR, one or the other in single game, never both.

Besides, having two options of civilizations to choose from instead of one is a good thing, isn't it?
If you could choose to play against (or as) Russia or USSR in a civ game, or make the game decide randomly, wouldn't it be more interesting?
I've been calling for such Civ Pairings of (some) civilizations within the game for some time now.
This could be applied to civs which are so interconnected historically/culturally and land area wise that opting for both of them existing within a single game could not be viable. However, having choice of either-or would provide more choice and intrigue to the game.

For example:
Russia and USSR (you choose which you want to play as or against, or let the game/program decide randomly). Each Civ gets separate great leaders, UA, UU, UB - and so on.
Aztecs (Azteca) and Mexico (mostly of land area)
Rome and Italy (for the sake of world maps!)

There are many more possible pairings.
 
Russia and USSR are the same civ; if Peter leads, it's Imperial Russia, if Stalin then USSR. The analogy breaks down with Aztecs and Mexico (same land [sort of], not same civ), same with Italy and Rome. Italy really doesn't have the accomplishments to rank as more than a city-state, and neither does Mexico.
 
Going strictly at the OP's question, what civ I'm most surprised is missing, I would say Mongolia or Persia.
Because both have been in the vanilla versions for a long long time (Mongolia day 1 free dlc of civ 5 is as good as vanilla to me).
After that probably Babylon as they have been in vanilla most of the time too.
That doesn't mean that I wanted them all in vanilla, but I'm surprised they are not.
The Inca, the Dutch, the Portuguese, the Koreans and the Khmer I would have liked to have in vanilla but I'm not surprised they aren't because they simply never were vanilla civs and the Ottomans were in vanilla only in civ 5 and never before that either.
 
LimulusNautilusLatimeria said:
Please correct me if I'm wrong, Civ 1 has a total of 14 civs, CIV 2 21, CIV3 31, CIV4 34, and CIV5 43.

Do you think CIV6 gonna end with more that 43 civs?
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Absolutely.
durfal said:
The Inca, the Dutch, the Portuguese, the Koreans and the Khmer I would have liked to have in vanilla but I'm not surprised they aren't because they simply never were vanilla civs and the Ottomans were in vanilla only in civ 5 and never before that either.
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The Inca were in vanilla Civ IV.
 
I hope they do justice to the Celts this time as they have been underwhelming in Civ 4/5. I always played them in civ 2 and 3. They are ideal for a aggressive religious race with an early UU to help get a foothold and spread their own religion. Celtic standing stones would be a great UB and building on a hill could give you a bonus.
 
gibson1314 said:
I hope they do justice to the Celts this time as they have been underwhelming in Civ 4/5. I always played them in civ 2 and 3. They are ideal for a aggressive religious race with an early UU to help get a foothold and spread their own religion. Celtic standing stones would be a great UB and building on a hill could give you a bonus.
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The Celts didn't build standing stones (Tara, Stonehenge, the dolmens in northern France, etc. predate the Celts), but a hill fort (opidum) would be ideal as a unique encampment for the Gauls.
 
They maybe didn't build them first, but there are standing stones all over Scotland at 10,000 years old. They would look really good in the new unpacked cities is all.
 
gibson1314 said:
They maybe didn't build them first, but there are standing stones all over Scotland at 10,000 years old. They would look really good in the new unpacked cities is all.
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You mean the achievement of Celts is what they didn't destroy what was built before them? Celts themselves appeared in about 800BC and arrived to British Islands later.
 
For me it's the Iroquois, although Persia and ottomans are important, the Iroquois were my favorite Civ to play in Civ 5
 
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