What Civ/UU are you looking foward to using?

[Nicolas10]

This is like a Nietzche hypothetical come to life: All words are metaphors that we've forgotten are metaphors.

The word "race" explicitly refers to a biological concept, to similarities of genetics. The word "civilization" refers to a social construct of cultural commonality and development.

And no, there is no "English" race. To be English is not to be of one race, just as the British Asiles were never unified by "race." The English Civilization is a history of different peoples coming into Briton; English Civilization grew, even as it experienced varying degrees of different peoples from different lands, and with a different genetic makeup.

 

[Ahriman]

"English" is not a race, its a nationality. Most English people are genetically nearly identical to scots, and very similar to Germans or French or Danes.

And people whose grandparents were born in India and moved to the London are still English.

 

[Schuesseled]

Yes they do, give me an example of a race, and give me an example of a civilisation.
Ill give you two.
English, and English.
Hmmm what a suprise. ^>^.
While Race and Civilisation do technically mean seperate things, Civilisations in Civilization are named and these names are names of race's. So when someone refers to the Chinese Race in Civ, they mean the Chinese Civilisation, both refer to the same thing when talking about Civ. Now i'd rather not sit here and talk semantics with you guys, how about you simply pick your favourite UU/Civ instead of arguing about nothing.

12ag is still looking foward to Longbowmen and Balista's.
Mainly because ranged combat looks so fun, although i'm not sure I am 100% fond of ranged units not retaliating when fired upon by another ranged unit, this means whoever attacks first has the advantage against another ranged unit.

PS. Nic, I won't be reading that PM I have registered my own account now, my brother (schuesseled) may tell me what your PM said though.

essentially it said the exact same thing he posted in the thread, (along with an insult about us not being english) which is silly because he said he didnt want to include this topic in this thread an netiher do i, because i dont really care.

I'm looking foward to playing germany but i cant remember why...

but seeing as how everyone is talking about it.

Defintion of Race:

1. A local geographic or global human population distinguished as a more or less distinct group by genetically transmitted physical characteristics.
2. A group of people united or classified together on the basis of common history, nationality, or geographic distribution: the German race.
3. A genealogical line; a lineage.
4. Humans considered as a group.
5. Biology
a. An interbreeding, usually geographically isolated population of organisms differing from other populations of the same species in the frequency of hereditary traits. A race that has been given formal taxonomic recognition is known as a subspecies.
b. A breed or strain, as of domestic animals.
6. A distinguishing or characteristic quality, such as the flavor of a wine.

Yes English is a nationaility, (although technically we're all supposed to be British) so therefore yes it is a also a race.

there can we be done with it now. Words have multiple meanings get used to it.

 

[Nicolas10]

essentially it said the exact same thing he posted in the thread, (along with an insult about us not being english) which is silly because he said he didnt want to include this topic in this thread an netiher do i, because i dont really care.

I'm looking foward to playing germany but i cant remember why...

My Private Message was not at all insulting... Clearly, you are ridiculous. I merely surmised that perhaps you, with a name like Schuesseled, were not a native English speaker.

My entire message was: Hey, you may not be a native English speaker, but in English vernacular, "race" and "civilization" mean entirely different things.

 

[Nicolas10]

essentially it said the exact same thing he posted in the thread, (along with an insult about us not being english) which is silly because he said he didnt want to include this topic in this thread an netiher do i, because i dont really care.

I'm looking foward to playing germany but i cant remember why...

but seeing as how everyone is talking about it.

Defintion of Race:

1. A local geographic or global human population distinguished as a more or less distinct group by genetically transmitted physical characteristics.
2. A group of people united or classified together on the basis of common history, nationality, or geographic distribution: the German race.
3. A genealogical line; a lineage.
4. Humans considered as a group.
5. Biology
a. An interbreeding, usually geographically isolated population of organisms differing from other populations of the same species in the frequency of hereditary traits. A race that has been given formal taxonomic recognition is known as a subspecies.
b. A breed or strain, as of domestic animals.
6. A distinguishing or characteristic quality, such as the flavor of a wine.

Yes English is a nationaility, (although technically we're all supposed to be British) so therefore yes it is a also a race.

there can we be done with it now. Words have multiple meanings get used to it.

Look, I can play the word game with any number of words. "Gay" has evolved in the Englsih language... you can use gay to describe someone joyful and frivolous, but if you lead a thread topic on this forum with: "How Gay will you be for this game?" You will see people react.

Words do have different meanings, but to intentionally respond as you and your brother have with some sort of insistence on an English "race" is troublesome, given the modern usage of the word race has clearly delineated a genetic emphasis. The problem with language is that words are hundreds of years old... so just because scholars once used "race" in just the fashion listed on the dictionary term, doesn't mean a scholar should use it that way now.

You're bascially arguing for it being grandfathered in because of historical usage. Anyway, I'll give up, becuase you'll surely not change your opinion, but to use race and civilization interchangeably is dangerous in modern times, even if it was perfectly reasonable 100 years ago.

 

[Schuesseled]

My Private Message was not at all insulting... Clearly, you are ridiculous. I merely surmised that perhaps you, with a name like Schuesseled, were not a native English speaker.

My entire message was: Hey, you may not be a native English speaker, but in English vernacular, "race" and "civilization" mean entirely different things.

That's because your racist. Are you saying i can't possibly be English because I have a German surname?

You notice how i said racist, not nationalist as there is no such concept.

This defintion is not aged, a race isn't only defined by genetics, it can be then again it might not.

Perhaps you should stick to your original thought and simply not bother discussing this on this thread.

 

[Nicolas10]

I have reported your above comment to the moderators, and I can assure you, I shall not respond to any post you make on this forum in the future.

Good luck to you.

 

[The_J]

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