what do you think?

[Revenant27]

hey everyone,

I was just wondering, I can pretty much own on Noble using cottage economy, however I havent successfully done a SE game yet. I jumped up to prince and tried both types of economies there and met mostly failure, (i did mediocre with my CE on Prince)

so do you guys think I should...

1. Continue to play prince practicing both types of play

2. Go back to noble learn SE fully then move on to prince

3 Just practice noble all the time

 

[JBossch]

Move up if you are winning easily. Try pericles for a monster SE game. If you get seafood in your capital (or any food for that matter) get ready to own.

 

[tycoonist]

don't bother with SE. it isn't nearly worth it until emperor IMO. stick to financial leaders

 

[Winston Hughes]

don't bother with SE. it isn't nearly worth it until emperor IMO. stick to financial leaders

Ignore this guy.

SE works fine at any level and, more importantly, is a great deal of fun.

I'd say make sure you can do it on Noble, then move up.

Read what I wrote in this thread for more advice:

http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=261954

 

[BurN]

I'm going to advise to stick with CE for now. I think it's better to focus on a certain gameplan and using your favorite traits. You can mix em up, so you can still play with a lot of different leaders.

I think once you become good with your favorite style, you can start experimenting. Imho once you can win comfortably on prince-monarch using a CE, you can start messing around. Because imho those are the difficulties were you actually start "understanding" the game.

The basics of my logic being: It's easier to understand a fragment and then apply that understanding on other aspects, rather then getting overwhelmed by all the different aspects at once.


Edit: Well I just realized that wasn't 1 of the 3 options you suggested. ;p But I'll stick with my answer: Play CE till Prince-monarch.

 

[Winston Hughes]

Thing is, if you learn how to run an SE before moving up, then you should be able to move through those levels quicker.

Why?

Because you'll already have an understanding of the aspects of the game which an SE focuses on, and the flexibility to use whichever type of economy will work best in a given situation (inc. leader/civ).

In my experience, pure CEs or SEs are only the best choice in a minority of situations. Some kind of Hybrid, or a switchover economy (start SE, switch to CE later), tends to work best in most cases.

 

[Shadzy19]

Try some SE's , but make sure you dont mind micromanaging a lot , it takes time and patience and when playing a SE make sure you war quite a bit , more land = more pop = more specialist.
If you dont like to war a lot dont bother with SE .

If you really want to learn and move up try diffrend leaders and play leaders with diffrend traits , just make sure you understand their traits and how to utilize them .

 

[Revenant27]

well i started a prince CE game as vikings (my fav) and am already on my way to controlling the world, so I am going to start an SE noble game on the side and start learning that. thanks for the help, you guys always have good (if very different) opinions

 

[Zanttu]

Ignore this guy.

SE works fine at any level and, more importantly, is a great deal of fun.

I'd say make sure you can do it on Noble, then move up.

Thing is, if you learn how to run an SE before moving up, then you should be able to move through those levels quicker.

Why?

Because you'll already have an understanding of the aspects of the game which an SE focuses on, and the flexibility to use whichever type of economy will work best in a given situation (inc. leader/civ).

In my experience, pure CEs or SEs are only the best choice in a minority of situations. Some kind of Hybrid, or a switchover economy (start SE, switch to CE later), tends to work best in most cases.

I agree 100%

 

[vicawoo]

Lightbulbing only starts to shine when the AI is around or higher than your tech level, which is monarch or emperor. So it's hard to realize the benefits of SE at lower difficulties.

 

[Winston Hughes]

If the AI doesn't have anything you can trade for, then you're ahead in tech, so what's the problem?

I used to get on fine running SEs on levels below Monarch, and I'd go as far as to say that I actually got better results than when I used cottages.

Maybe that's just me, and most everyone else does better with a CE until they get to Monarch.

But that still doesn't mean you shouldn't learn to play SE-style 'til then.

If it's viable and it's fun, who cares if there are more efficient ways of winning?

Playing the same way every time, just because it's easier to win like that, is a recipe for boredom in my book.

 

[Revenant27]

quick update, I have been playing my SE Noble game with Ghandi, wiped out carthage real quick and china a little bit after that, Arabia has like 6 cities left since ethiopia and egypt love me.

doing great and omw to a domination victory im thinking maybe 1600ad if im lucky

SE is a little more difficult to manage, but overall i'm still ruling over them.

I'm starting to think i should just move up to prince for good after this

 

[Shadzy19]

SE's feel diffrend at certain difficulity's.

In the lower levels you just get the pyramids early and settle/get academy's with your GS where in the higher levels most of the time you wont have the pyramids and will lightbulb to keep up in tech and win the lib race followed by going constitution for representation.

Its not because its played diffrend at the lower levels that it is less effective.

 

[lordqarlyn]

Lightbulbing only starts to shine when the AI is around or higher than your tech level, which is monarch or emperor. So it's hard to realize the benefits of SE at lower difficulties.

I am a horrible player who gets whipped at Prince level, but even at Noble, I see the benefit of using specialists. My style is probably hybrid, since I also use cottages too.

 

[InFlux5]

If something works on Emperor, it will work on Noble, even if it's not required. Why not start practicing now?

 

[Winston Hughes]

If something works on Emperor, it will work on Noble, even if it's not required.

That's not 100% accurate.

The one example I can think of off the top of my head is the Quecha rush - which only really works on Monarch or above - but there are probably a few others.

Specialist Economies ain't one of them, though.

 

[futurehermit]

Try this once on noble for practice and then move up to prince:

1) Play an industrious leader, I like Ramesses

2) When you start, settle in place, build a worker and tech whatever you need to improve the special resources in your capital (if you start on the coast, you may need to build a workboat or two first).

3) Grow to the happy cap and then produce a defender/worker/settler twice to get 2 more cities up and running.

4) Chop out the pyramids in your capital; adopt representation; continue growing your cities to the cap

5) Continue expanding your empire to 6-8 cities. Focus on growing your cities to the cap. Once they hit the cap, assign as many scientists as possible. Caste system helps here once you eventually get col.

6) Next tech aesthetics and lit. Build the S. Pada to open up the religious civics and the GL. You want to be in rep/cs/pac earlyish.

7) As you get great people, settle them in your capital. Continue to expand your empire until the land runs out. Once it runs out, you want to tech through liberalism to rifling.

8) Once you have rifling, adopt police state, nationhood, slavery, theocracy. Whip/draft a bunch of rifles and conquer the world.

 

[DigitalBoy]

I'm not so sure that lightbulbing is completely neccessary for a SE. A great scientist settled in a city with a library and an academy produces about 10 beakers per turn by himself, a pretty large boon in the early game.

Not to mention, the academy itself boosts the output of normal scientists to about 5 beakers per turn.

 

[Artichoker]

hey everyone,

I was just wondering, I can pretty much own on Noble using cottage economy, however I havent successfully done a SE game yet. I jumped up to prince and tried both types of economies there and met mostly failure, (i did mediocre with my CE on Prince)

so do you guys think I should...

1. Continue to play prince practicing both types of play

2. Go back to noble learn SE fully then move on to prince

3 Just practice noble all the time

Looks like you're focusing too much on one aspect of the game.

Try to forget about, for a while, whether you want to do CE or SE. Instead, think about how your difficulties are happening on this new difficulty level.

Also, try to use a leader that suits your style of play. If you like to build a lot of Wonders, then pick an Industrious leader. If you like to do a lot of fighting, then pick an Aggressive leader...etc.

 

[Zanttu]

Lightbulbing only starts to shine when the AI is around or higher than your tech level, which is monarch or emperor. So it's hard to realize the benefits of SE at lower difficulties.

Ever heard of SSE?