What is needed in this MOD!

[Cossack Captain]

This is a great modification to the civilization game to be sure, but what is needed in the game is the UKRAINE! A powerful Eastern European civ that can counter both the German and the Russian threat and become the new "Rome" in the area!

The Ukraine deserves to be in the world game as it has a proud and long history. It has withstood more than its share of invaders and is the true home of the mighty Cossacks -- the most powerful UU in the whole game! For Russia, losing the Ukraine was like the British losing America, Spain losing Cuba or Rome losing Egypt. Ukraine was essential for the Russias! So much so that it would send the entire Red Army to put down the revolts!

Presently, Ukraine is a free, democratic country and one of the largest country in Europe. Ukraine is as LEAST as important as some other European civs. Ukraine is more than Greece, Spain, Italy and Portugal. Ukraine beat out Egypt, Mali Inca and Aztec. If all these civs could get in then there must be room for Ukraine!

There is a big hole missing in the Eastern Europe in this game and Ukraine can nicely fill in that hole! Ukraine could work in the game by being a strong Eastern European country, it could hold off or even conquerf Germany and Russia, then follow through with the rest of Europe, then take on the Americas or Asia, your choice and then either Arabia or Africa. Ukraine has this kind of power in the game because of its geography.
It can be the new Rome of Eastern Europe!

So please consider making the Ukraine a part of the Rhee mod!

 

[LuKo]

I want Ukraine in this mod. As a province of Polish Empire of course

 

[Lone Wolf]

The Ukraine deserves to be in the world game as it has a proud and long history.

It has, no doubt... the unique Ukrainian culture, it fightings against the Ottoman Empire, Poland etc. surely deserve a mentoin, but many other nations not included in this mod also have a proud and long history.

Ukraine beat out Egypt, Greece...

Hardly. After all, the Egyptian Civilization was one of the oldest civilizations on the Earth, the Greeks were considering them their teachers, (althrough the Greeks accomplished scientifically much more then Egyptians, IMHO).

Ukraine could work in the game by being a strong Eastern European country, it could hold off or even conquerf Germany and Russia, then follow through with the rest of Europe, then take on the Americas or Asia, your choice and then either Arabia or Africa.

Eh, if Ukraine in this mod has the possibility to do THAT, it would be unbalancing and rather ahistorical.. No nation in the mod has the power to conquer Europe, Russia, Africa and the Americas even in the hands of human player.

So please consider making the Ukraine a part of the Rhee mod!

OK. I consider Ukraine part of the Rhee mod, just tell me, where can I find it? I only know Rhye's mod...

 

[LuKo]

Lone Wolf:

Ukraine beat out Egypt, Greece...

Cossack Captain:

Ukraine beat out Egypt, Mali Inca and Aztec

I think that Ukraine isn't very important civilization at all (although controlling their territory was very important (granary of the Europe) ). Egypt is important in this mod (earliest civ+ Pyramids) but I agree that some civs aren't very important too (Mali, Aztec, Inca, Carthage [it was an empire but most important part of its history are wars with Rome- all lost. For Romans Carthage wasn't more dangerous than minor Celts]). For this nations I think that other should be added (important- Portugal [colonization era empire], Poland [Central European empire with Jagiellon dynasty], Sweden [empire with most advanced army in their times {but not cavalry}- they successfully fought against Germany and Poland], and one more empire- maybe Italy? [Renaissance+ The Leaning Tower+ World Wars+ historical reasons {no more Roman Empire in present times} + most important reason: Great People such as Leonardo, or Rhye ]).

 

[Lone Wolf]

Lone Wolf:
Quote:
Ukraine beat out Egypt, Greece...

I was just quoting Cossack Captian and disagreeing with him... read my post.

 

[LuKo]

You was disagreeing with his words "Ukraine beat out Egypt, Greece..." but he didn't wrote that about Greece (he used different words so your quote wasn't really quote)

 

[Edungeon]

I like the idea of Ukraine, ( we will need to add Shevchenko to the Great Artist list xD ). But i think that there is at least 4 or 5 civs need to be in the mod before Ukraine.

 

[Lone Wolf]

It wasn't an EXACT quote. But it was his throughts, not mine...

 

[Rhye]

Ukraine is more than Greece, Spain, Italy and Portugal. Ukraine beat out Egypt, Mali Inca and Aztec.

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[Whitefire]

Your first mistake was to imply that any nation is greater than the mighty Italy.

 

[kairob]

I agree with LuKo (for the first time ever!) in that nations like carthage, mali, aztec, inca should be replaced with, for example poland, portugal, italy. Also I would love to see brazil even though it wont happen

 

[Edungeon]

I agree with LuKo (for the first time ever!) in that nations like carthage, mali, aztec, inca should be replaced with, for example poland, portugal, italy. Also I would love to see brazil even though it wont happen

Yeah, probably it will never happen

 

[The Everard]

Israel Pnws Ukraine IMHO.

Ukraine was very important to europe - for being a breadbasket.
Ukraine has been a vassal of another power nearly all its life - even more than poland (sorry Luko).

Rhye is half right, there are way too many civs - IN EUROPE.

All the civs that have been propesed so far have only been because there were INSERT_NATIONALITY_HERE. Potrugal was proposed by a Brazilian, Poland by a pole and nowUkraine by a Urkainian.

I however I not Jewish-but I recognize Israels Importance and influence. How often is Poland, Ukraine or Potrugal in the spotlight now?

Besides Israel has been influentuallinoth ancient and modern history while Ukraine has not.

 

[Hitti-Litti]

What is so important in Israel? As in this game religions have the same effects, religion shouldn't be a reason to include a civ in the game.

And I'd like to see either Poland or Brazil in Rhye's mod, though Poland would make Germany maybe too much weaker.

 

[kairob]

Isreal should not be in, its bad enough that Juedaism is in

 

[Edungeon]

Israel Pnws Ukraine IMHO.

Ukraine was very important to europe - for being a breadbasket.
Ukraine has been a vassal of another power nearly all its life - even more than poland (sorry Luko).

Rhye is half right, there are way too many civs - IN EUROPE.

All the civs that have been propesed so far have only been because there were INSERT_NATIONALITY_HERE. Potrugal was proposed by a Brazilian, Poland by a pole and nowUkraine by a Urkainian.

I however I not Jewish-but I recognize Israels Importance and influence. How often is Poland, Ukraine or Potrugal in the spotlight now?

Besides Israel has been influentuallinoth ancient and modern history while Ukraine has not.

Actually, if it was by nationality, I will need Italy and Germany.

The mod needs Portugal and Netherlands because the Modern Era is the worst ( but still very good ) part of the mod. The Ancient and Medieval times are just OKAY ( maybe just a strong Rome... but this will be very overpower ).

And please, say to me, what Israel will contribute to the world when played by the AI? it will turtle in Jerusalem, maybe a war with babylon, where it will lost eventually, and when Arabia spawns it will be crushed...

And maybe by 1900s... it will respawn in Jerusalem, can the culture of Arabia and Turkey will destroy the city. Wonderful additon!


PS: when i say about adding Brazil, i am normally kidding, because there is more important civs out there ( Austria, Asian Civ, Portugal, Netherlands... well, pick your choice ).

 

[Bob III]

I think having Israel would be quite interesting. They would always have Judaism and be a contrast to the rest of the Middle East. They could have two seperate spawns, one early in the game (should later be absorbed by Arabia), and one later in the game. Almost like two seperate civs. Between the spawns (if you are a human player) the same thing can happen as at the beginning, turns just pass.

Or, you could even just leave out the early Israel and start with the late one, but there wouldn't be much playing time. (Until BtS comes out, that is)

Over all, I can see where Israel would be a good addition to the mod over Ukraine or Poland, just because of it's significant difference from other modern Middle Eastern Civs and it's ability to kick ass.

 

[kairob]

Isreal is not a good civ to have. One city, culturally crushed, militarily going to lose every time, unhistorical for it to invade anywhere. Basically it would be a very very poor addition considering the limited number of civs available. just like Juadaism really, to be historical no one should choose it and it should stay in just one city. Kind of a waste of a slot thier really...

 

[flyingchicken]

Israel could have had some very difficult UHVs if it were added. Possibly:

• Judaism must the state religion from founding until a late deadline [w00t]
• Must found Judaism and Christianity first [before India!], with a deadline
• Must build both the Temple of Solomon and the Church of Nativity, with a deadline [watch out for Arabia's UHV]

Add in the angry Muslims with high-tech Camel Archers in the South, and we're all set.
Impossible? I say "WIMP!"
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Israel, in this map and mod, will be not historically accurate, unhistorical, and impossible to play historically, in my opinion.

 

[ZB2]

I want to know how big is the map to allow Ukraine to squeeze between Germany, Byzantium and Russia?