What IS the Sidar's actual 'history'?

Psycho_Ivan

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I've been browsing through the forum and reading whatever I can about the Sidar, trying my hardest to piece together their story, but quite a bit of it doesn't add up and is begging for explanation... So to put this to rest, what is the history of the Sidar? How did they get their hands on the scrolls needed to turn themselves into shades? Why did Basium originally come after the Sidar, and how was he stopped? (These amongst various other questions are what I am most curious to know about...)
 
I've been browsing through the forum and reading whatever I can about the Sidar, trying my hardest to piece together their story, but quite a bit of it doesn't add up and is begging for explanation... So to put this to rest, what is the history of the Sidar? How did they get their hands on the scrolls needed to turn themselves into shades? Why did Basium originally come after the Sidar, and how was he stopped? (These amongst various other questions are what I am most curious to know about...)

Basium doesn't need an excuse to destroy a civ. In his mind you are either against the infernals or on their side, and the Sidar weren't against them. I dont remember specifically why Basium was tearing the place up. As I recall he was torching the studies and the Sidar were dying trying to defend them. He ordered his angels to take them out and Gyra stepped in to keep stop the battle.

The scrolls are from Laroth in the underworld. In typical FfH fashion one story just leads to another but the short on Laroth is he is the most powerful master of Spirit magic that has ever been. He is dead and currently fighting with Arawn for control of the underworld (well, Laroth is fighting, its unclear is Arawn is doing anything about it at all).

There were a group of elves dragged into afterworld and Laroth made them serve him. Since they got captured by Laroth from before the elven civil war they aren't really Svartalfar or Ljosalfar. They escaped from Laroth and the underworld into an area called the shadow rift. They brought some artifacts from the underworld with them. One of those was the tomes that describe the process to become shades. Sandalphon got it from them and started the Sidar.

Boy, there are about 2 dozen other parts of that story, but thats the short version.
 
That explains an awful lot actually, thank you very much Kael.

And I am guessing that Basium wanted to destroy the studies due to what they contained? That's a possibility. Of course it very likely would have contained more than whatever he was intending to destroy.

I remember the part about Laroth and the origination of the scrolls, although I would like to find out how Sandalphon came across the tome I'm guessing it's fairly negligible.

Off the current topic, what are these Elves now? Are they the once-Elves I've read about?
 
That explains an awful lot actually, thank you very much Kael.

And I am guessing that Basium wanted to destroy the studies due to what they contained? That's a possibility. Of course it very likely would have contained more than whatever he was intending to destroy.

I remember the part about Laroth and the origination of the scrolls, although I would like to find out how Sandalphon came across the tome I'm guessing it's fairly negligible.

Off the current topic, what are these Elves now? Are they the once-Elves I've read about?

Yeah, Varn is from them. His older brother Haerlond is their leader.
 
Not many details have really been revealed. It is known that Varn Gossam's father stole the Books of Laroth along with the Heartstone from Laroth's palace in the underworld as the Once-Elven began their rebellion and escaped to the Shadowed Vale. When Haerlond Gossam accused the young Auric Ulvin and the children that traveled with him of stealing the Heartstone and was going to have them executed, Varn believed his pleas of innocence and tried to sneak him out. His brother's army found him before they escaped, but when they began their attack Auric reached for the only faint mana source he could find--which turned out to be the sun, so when he channelized it in it broke the through the barrier of mist that set the Shadowed Vale apart from Creation and had stopped sunlight from ever reaching there. Most of the Once-Elves were blinded, but Varn saw a vision of Lugus in the light and was rewarded for his devoting to truth in trying to save the innocent children by become Lugus's first priest. Varn, his wife, and others who had helped Auric escape fled the Vale and were eventually found by the Malakim. The Books of Laroth were among the items they took with them.


Varn's wife Talia, who was a witch, recognized Auric's latent power and may have taught him some magic while he was in prison. I suspect that she may have been the one in possession of the Books (Varn doesn't seem like the kind to study the arcane knowledge of an evil sorcerer), and even wonder whether she actually stole the heartstone to precipitate the whole affair. (Speaking of affairs, she had one with Baron Duin von Halfmorn, and gave him many of the "good guys" secrets which the werewolf funneled to the enemy, in Kael's D&D campaign at least.) Sometimes I suspect that Talia isn't one of the good guys, and might even be working for Laroth. She may have done all of this to get the Books out into the Creation where they could be used. I typically assumed that the books were left in some Empyrean monastery library for centuries, but since the time scale seems to be getting shorter than I'd like (what we know about the scenarios seems to imply that the Sidar exist when Auric is approaching ascension, and that Auric is still a fairly young man, but Auric was 15 years old when he and the books that would found the Sidar came into creation) I'm thinking it may have to be something more active than that. That's why I'm thinking Talia may be involved.

When a shade trades his soul for immortality he doesn't just consume it himself, he gives it to Laroth who uses it to help him conquer the Netherworld and try to become the new God of Death. The Sidar revere Arawn and try to follow him, but he isn't interested. Laroth, however, is. They don't know it, but they have been a great service to the dark sorcerer.


All that Kael has revealed about Basium's attempt to destroy the Sidar that Basium has a very "you're either for us or against us" attitude, implying they simply refused to aid him in his crusade against demons. Of course, the fact that they were (unknowingly) helping Laroth overthrow his old master Arawn could have been a part of it.

Basium is the Archangel of Life (or was, as he defied his god and chose mortality, and hates the new god of life), created while Arawn had mastery over both eh spheres of life and death. He was created at the same time as his twin sister Gyra, the Archangel of Death. They have rather different personalities. Gyra did not fall. While I believe that she too (like most of Arawn angels) want her god to be more active, she did not rebel to serve herself or Laroth. She only very rarely gets involved in creation, to lash out against the undead or to protect the Sidar. It is she who stopped her brother from destroying them.
 
So once these Books where put into a library, or whatever, how did Sandalphon get them? Did a Once-Elf give them to him? One of Laroth's followers? And why Sandalphon? What was he before he became a Shade?

Answers just lead to more questions! I'd quote the philosophy tech quote if I could remember it.
 
And why Sandalphon? What was he before he became a Shade?

Answers just lead to more questions! I'd quote the philosophy tech quote if I could remember it.

Sandalphon was one of the (many) Children of Kylorin, back in the Age of Ice.
 
Well, Kyorlin had a son(/descendant, Child of Kyorlin great person in AoI) named Sandalphon, but that doesn't necessarily mean that the Sidar leader is this son. Auric Ulvin grew up with a boy named Dain, but this was not the future Cassawallen. We don't know how common such names are in Erebus.
 
Well, Kyorlin had a son named Sandalphon, but that doesn't necessarily mean that the Sidar leader is this son.

I dont remember that story. Ahh, your probably getting it form the fact that it was one of the child of Kylorin random names. That makes sense.

Auric Ulvin grew up with a boy named Dain, but this was not the future Cassawallen. We don't know how common such names are in Erebus.

That is definitly true, and just as you say they arent the same Dain.
 
Sandalphon sounds to me like a name somebody takes to appear more important. Or was he actually given that name at birth?
 
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