My idea of Utopia is where everyone wheres no clothes, the formal greeting is a tight huge and long sensual kiss, and I am the only man in Utopia, (i.e their are plenty of females), I would delve deeper into my idea of Utopia, but I don't think what I have to say would be appropriate to the forum .
Place where every person is perfect, where is no one against anyone where people don't hate each other and without any kind of war or competition. I would like the place without war, because war made so many brotherhood nations mortal enemies.
So basically, what Utopia do you thing is the best?
I don't mean gameplay wise, I mean idealogically. Which Utopia would you like to live in, which Utopia creates the ideal world for mankind?
Also note that many of the policies represent the history of your nation, for instance the piety tree has both theocracy and free religion, perhaps resembling a nation which used to be a theocracy but now encourages religious freedom.
I would go for: Liberty, Freedom, Patronage, Rationalism and Order.
Utopias are for people who don't realize that utopias are the last thing we need.
If everything was perfect and fair and efficient and good and what not, everything would be predictable and boring, we would have nothing to complain about, losing about 3/4 of our conversational topics and comedy would be irreparably damaged (at least good comedy). I can possibly imagine more consequenses, but... nah.
Utopias are for people who don't realize that utopias are the last thing we need.
If everything was perfect and fair and efficient and good and what not, everything would be predictable and boring, we would have nothing to complain about, losing about 3/4 of our conversational topics and comedy would be irreparably damaged (at least good comedy). I can possibly imagine more consequenses, but... nah.
Maybe you are right, but a world where hundreds of millions of people are suffering from starvation and poverty is too imperfect to be "perfect". And nobody likes comedy about starvation. That and some other serious thing should be fixed, then I'll agree with you.
By the way, I think this topic is too much OT to be in Civ5 forum, no?
Utopias are for people who don't realize that utopias are the last thing we need.
If everything was perfect and fair and efficient and good and what not, everything would be predictable and boring, we would have nothing to complain about, losing about 3/4 of our conversational topics and comedy would be irreparably damaged (at least good comedy). I can possibly imagine more consequenses, but... nah.
I agree the world would pretty dull if everything were perfect, but the goal should always be to get as close to that unattainable goal as possible. I know you were joking anyways, but, you do have to admit you'd love that you'd have a lot more time to Civ in a true Utopia!
Maybe we simply are somebody's Civ game in a higher-level Utopia.
What did he get right? He basically just says "utopia," and never includes any details about how this works or what form of government is used. Everyone "just gets along." Right.
A world where people are rewarded in a directly proportionate ratio to the value of their work as adjusted by relative availability of other people willing to do the same work and the interest of a consumer/entity to have this work performed and the merits of the quality of the work. And each person shall be satisfied with their own reward and understand why it is what it is and why another person's reward may be greater or less based on the same standards.
Leaving an utopian reality makes that a not-utopia...
There is no "real communism" or "real socialism". Anything that considers materialism as the basis of human nature is an abomination in my book. And most of Eastern Europe can very much give testimony for that. We experienced the faces of communism, each nation a different one.. Not even one of us liked it.
Utopia can maybe be viewed as something imagined by philosophers in an effort to have a perfect model, to which one can compre their society, based on specific cultural and moral/ethical values. No utopia has ever been proposed as a real society, not even as a goal, up until the communists and fascists - and these both are based on hate. Yes, communism is not about loving the poor, it is about hating the rich, the unique and the gifted ones. It is about envy. Fascism is about hating the ones which are different in appearance or culture while communism is about "class" hatered... Both are monstruos and evil.
My anti-utopia is a world where no utopian prophets rule nations.
Not that I'm a communist myself, but you should remember two things:
1) Some communist might view intellectuals as a danger, but hate of intellectuals is not a core tenet of communism.
2) Communism originated in the 19th century, the century of children working under horrid conditions and when the response to worker losing his hand in an accident (because there weren't any security measures) was to fire him and let his family starve since he can't provide for him.
Utopias are for people who don't realize that utopias are the last thing we need.
If everything was perfect and fair and efficient and good and what not, everything would be predictable and boring, we would have nothing to complain about, losing about 3/4 of our conversational topics and comedy would be irreparably damaged (at least good comedy). I can possibly imagine more consequenses, but... nah.
I think you miss the point of a Utopia... If it were boring then it wouldn't be a Utopia (depending on whether the philospophy the Utopias based on considers boredom or not, I know mine certainly does). Utopia means a perfect society, it is impossible for it to be imperfect.
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