What makes a Fair Society?

[Phrossack]

I thought you gave a perfect description of one.

Hmm. Well, I could be. I don't know anything about anarcho-syndicalism, but if I've been diagnosed as one, maybe I ought to look into it.

 

[Borachio]

I can't say I know much. So, it could be my assessment is inaccurate. It is just my impression.

 

[illram]

- Economic mobility.
- Equal opportunity.
- Free speech.
- Freedom of religion.
- Freedom of association.
- Strong anti-corruption measures.
- Easily accessible voting apparatus without artificial barriers to voting.
- Public and open creation of voting district boundaries by a neutral non-partisan body.
- Strong social safety net.
- Accessible universal healthcare.
- Strong campaign finance laws.

 

[SS-18 ICBM]

Keeping non-Whites out.

 

[Terxpahseyton]

A distraction from the question what a good society is.

 

[warpus]

which has never happened in history Even in the Peloponnesian war era there was a nice proverb about how the larger animals break through the web of the spider (the law), while the smaller ones are stuck there for good.

Nothing's perfect or 100% fair - but what we can do is point out an ideal situation and strive to reach it as well as we can.

 

[Oruc]

Hierarchy

 

[Borachio]

Wut?

Surely hierarchical structures mitigate against a fair society?

Would you care to expand on why hierarchy ensures fairness, Oruc?

 

[Oruc]

Wut?

Surely hierarchical structures mitigate against a fair society?

Would you care to expand on why hierarchy ensures fairness, Oruc?

People have a place, purpose and are free to act within it.

 

[Borachio]

I can see people have a place in a hierarchy. But freedom? Where's the freedom?

I don't see how it supplies a purpose, either. Though I suppose everyone lower down must do as they're told.

 

[Tahuti]

I can see people have a place in a hierarchy. But freedom? Where's the freedom?

Freedom is meaningless if there is no position from where you start of. Besides, many of the freedoms we are conditioned to treasure, like freedom of the press, are essentially not much more than a pretext for mass manipulation and yellow press.

I don't see how it supplies a purpose, either. Though I suppose everyone lower down must do as they're told.

It is the only way most will ever get a purpose. If you are truly capable of producing a purpose by yourself you are rather exceptional in a good way.

 

[Borachio]

What do you mean by yellow press? I'm unfamiliar with the term. Why is it called "yellow"?

 

[Tahuti]

What do you mean by yellow press? I'm unfamiliar with the term. Why is it called "yellow"?

Daily Fail and the like. I'm unsure about the etymology of "yellow" in it.

 

[Borachio]

Oh right. I live and learn!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yellow_journalism#Origins:_Pulitzer_vs._Hearst

Do you know? I can't remember when I last bought a newspaper of any kind.

edit: I suppose it was the one and only copy of the Big Issue that I bought two and half years ago. Before that, I've no clue.

I very occasionally read other people's newspapers. There's not a lot to choose between them.

 

[Farm Boy]

Yes, but it's a big step forward from needing to toast the little gentlemen in the black velvet waistcoat when you want to talk a little treason, isn't it?

 

[Borachio]

Golly, what a bunch of puzzlers you are!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_III_of_England

In 1702, William died of pneumonia, a complication from a broken collarbone following a fall from his horse, Sorrel.[129] Because his horse had stumbled into a mole's burrow, many Jacobites toasted "the little gentleman in the black velvet waistcoat."

 

[Hojsimpson]

What makes or what would make?

Ideas:
- We all will die. Death is fair. If you're dying young for no natural reasons people will show you more love. If you die suddenly you won't notice and a dead man can't care of his death. Or you'll go to another world, a "paradise". I don't believe in after life but some people do so it's a reason.
- You get accustomed to what you got. A poor will love simple things that a rich would dislike.
- Everyone can choose the meaning of his own life. Even if it's is a nonsense. Or you can write a 1900 suicide note a then suicide because your life has no purpose like Mitchell Heissman.
- Human Rights Declaration. Ok, Human Rights aren't a constitution...
- Dreams and Imagination? Art? Internet? CFC? You can make a laugh of nearly everything that happens to yourself? Happiness is not luck, is attitude?
- Qwerty?

 

[Borachio]

I think the intention of the Society of Curious Ideas is "What would make a fair society?"

If they meant the other one (which I've tried to address myself, too), I think they'd have asked "What makes Society fair?" Perhaps.

I agree it's ambiguous.

 

[classical_hero]

Website looks dodgy as hell

Does it make you a bit curious?