What questions to ask in a Nobles' Club poll

[Doshin]

I'm generally skeptical about the use of an archipelago map as a part of the early learning experience. The AI is poor at managing water invasions and the human player with any sense will beeline the GLH, which gives him or her a huge advantage over the AIs who simply don't know how to 'play the map.' It's comparable to building the Great Wall when playing with raging barbs, albeit less manipulative.

That being said, Mehmed might be a good civ for an archipelago map, because he gets cheap harbors and lighthouses but isn't industrious, doesn't start with fishing or mining, and doesn't have an overpowered water unit.

 

[lymond]

Mehmed is a excellent Archi leader. Besides probably the best trait combo for watery maps, Mehmed allows for tall early cities that boost trade route income.

While GLH is indeed overpowered on this map, it is only overpowered for those who know how to use it. I think there is no harm in newer players learning that aspect of the game.

 

[dalamb]

Play it safe IMHO -- but it's your choice!

I think I forgot to record someone was doing Mehmed. Did I give him away to 2 different people?

 

[The Oz-Man]

If you did, I can do Mansa or Qin. No problem either way; I just want to put one together.

 

[Mylene]

I'd say in every game, really doubt there are exceptions, watching good players helps most with improving.
So if guys like Lymo play NC maps, and show save games, lower level players can really benefit.
Then again, not everyone wants to improve. After finding this forum, everyone could play Immortal after a few weeks maximum...if they want

 

[vicawoo]

Maybe there's finer points to archipelago maps, but I don't think archipelago skills translate well (great lighthouse, worker ferrying logistics).

 

[Izuul]

I play archipelago from time to time to do something different. I typically enjoy them through to the mid-game, and then find that they become boring and tedious. The AI rarely has any real chance to win, but it's very time-consuming to actually play the games out. I frequently abandon archi games without finishing.

I prefer them as just an occasional change-up.

 

[dalamb]

I interpret the comments as meaning we should do Archipelago once in a while but as one of many kinds of "unusual" maps. I can look up when the last archipelago map was done when I get home later today.

 

[The Oz-Man]

Roosevelt (#82), boss. Though there was Toku islands map not long after that, but I suspect it was just Toku on an island isolated.

 

[dalamb]

Thanks! Long enough ago that an archipelago map sometime soon would be OK.

Toku was an Islands map; everybody was isolated.

 

[Noble Zarkon]

I'm new to posting but been lurking a while. I enjoy Nobles Club and don't think there should be too much editing but I would be disappointed if I played a game and didn't have the resources available to build my UU if desired - e.g. for Genghis Khan horses should be reasonable nearby.

PS I love archipelago maps

 

[dalamb]

I've created the survey and a new thread for discussing it; I wish I could close this thread so future discussion takes place there.

 

[leif erikson]

Thread closed as requested.