weimar_republic
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what should we do?
what should we do to afganistan?
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Simon Darkshade
Mysterious City of Gold
Is there an "all of the above" option that countenances the possibility of nuclear action if necessary. My feeling is that they will not rule out any means. Whether they use all is a different matter.
drake
Bring it
Get in, take out the taliban, try to get bin laden and get the **** out.
G-Man
A One Man's War
Didn't Powel say that you won't use nukes? Anyway, I think all other means should be used. Nukes are a bit too much, unless there's a major mujahidin army and it's nowhere near any towns or civilian buildings. Then maybe, just maybe, I'll support using tactical nukes. But I think the US won't use them. One nuke can destroy the coalition.
amadeus
Bishop of Bio-Dome
Bin Laden is only one of a few - I say we hit Iran, Iraq, Libya, Syria, Sudan, and Afghanistan.
<b>EDIT</b><p>By the way, tactical nuclear weapons (like we used on Hiroshima and Nagasaki) would not elminiate the entire country. Only take out a city and leave little radiation.
<b>EDIT</b><p>By the way, tactical nuclear weapons (like we used on Hiroshima and Nagasaki) would not elminiate the entire country. Only take out a city and leave little radiation.
allan
Cabrón
A tactical nuke can also be used against strictly military targets, IF they are far enough away from centers of population. That is the only time I would accept their use. Our goal should be minimal civilian casualties, like always....
I voted everything but the nukes, though. I agree that use of nukes (even if they only hit military) carries too much of a stigma to be "respectable", and would probably tear apart our coalition....
I voted everything but the nukes, though. I agree that use of nukes (even if they only hit military) carries too much of a stigma to be "respectable", and would probably tear apart our coalition....
Archbob
Ancient CFC Guardian
We should demand that the Taliband perform a "holy sacrifice" on Osama Benladin.
allan
Cabrón
Someone (Ashoka, I believe it was) mentioned that a Thai official suggested the following: that we remove the explosive payloads from our missiles, and fill them with pork fat, and splatter the terrorists with that.... 
I guess the Thais were pretty pissed, their consular offices were located in the WTC....
I guess the Thais were pretty pissed, their consular offices were located in the WTC....
Huitzilopochtli
Chieftain
An all scale attack will win nothing for your cause. It will only infiruate the region's already anti-americansim and it would win many many more US detractors world wide.
Anyone could always argue, to hell with that we have the bombs, the point is when is it right to use such bombs?
A strategic attack upon Bin Laden's person and his personal militia would also not result as effective as the media and the political retoric would like you to beleive. First of all, even if you suceed in killing him his vast movement, and the true forces behind it, which are a unbinded unrestricted unafraid faith will not be erradicated.
Second , and I beleive this to be an obvious fact, killing him will only make thousands more stand up and join the fight he is representing.
Third, if the Taliban gave up this man it would mean instant civil war for them.
And fourth, even the foul smelling, vast tentacles of the NSA are not fool-proof, He was obviously not even in Afgahnistan when the attacks happened, It would have been extremely stupid to stary there. For all we know he is sipping a pina colada right now and swinging in a hammock somewhere in Tahiti.
Every american mind i have met has only one priority: Vengance.
but vengance will not make this a just world
You could tell me "if this had happaned in your Grandma's backyard you would call for some sort of retaliation", maybe I would but I would also ask , Why the heck this this happened right in my homeland? why not attack Argentina or Botswana or India?
There is something very rotten in the us's foreign policy that has been going on since you decided to invade and claim half of our territory.
Now don't get me wrong. I don't support such hineous acts as the one's that happend in your conuntry two weeks ago, in fact i have family memebers living in New York and Boston and was worried sick for them. I just don't want this to become something like another Panama, where the supposed target was Noriega's narcotrafic regime (actually the reason for those bombings and invasion from your forces was that he was begining to get widespread support from his people and because of this the US saw its control over the channel compromised).
Stealth bombers blew the hell out of Panama city, and even when
a bomb fell in one of the most miserable and poor "barrios" in the outskirts of the city killing twice as many people as in the WTC and pentagon, this did not became front line news for more than half an hour. Some dumb general said, "we are sorry" and that was the end to that.
At the end Noriega gave himself up and when interviewd he said he only did it because he wasn't very keen on seeing your bombers devastate his people.
I would like to invite you all to read my replay in the thread "are you with us or against us"
with nothing more to add i thank anyone who had the time to read this..
and like in the other replay ill also add what Ghandi once said:
"An eye for an eye and we will all end up blind" [url]http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.phps=&threadid=5676&perpage=15&pagenumber=5[/URL]
Anyone could always argue, to hell with that we have the bombs, the point is when is it right to use such bombs?
A strategic attack upon Bin Laden's person and his personal militia would also not result as effective as the media and the political retoric would like you to beleive. First of all, even if you suceed in killing him his vast movement, and the true forces behind it, which are a unbinded unrestricted unafraid faith will not be erradicated.
Second , and I beleive this to be an obvious fact, killing him will only make thousands more stand up and join the fight he is representing.
Third, if the Taliban gave up this man it would mean instant civil war for them.
And fourth, even the foul smelling, vast tentacles of the NSA are not fool-proof, He was obviously not even in Afgahnistan when the attacks happened, It would have been extremely stupid to stary there. For all we know he is sipping a pina colada right now and swinging in a hammock somewhere in Tahiti.
Every american mind i have met has only one priority: Vengance.
but vengance will not make this a just world
You could tell me "if this had happaned in your Grandma's backyard you would call for some sort of retaliation", maybe I would but I would also ask , Why the heck this this happened right in my homeland? why not attack Argentina or Botswana or India?
There is something very rotten in the us's foreign policy that has been going on since you decided to invade and claim half of our territory.
Now don't get me wrong. I don't support such hineous acts as the one's that happend in your conuntry two weeks ago, in fact i have family memebers living in New York and Boston and was worried sick for them. I just don't want this to become something like another Panama, where the supposed target was Noriega's narcotrafic regime (actually the reason for those bombings and invasion from your forces was that he was begining to get widespread support from his people and because of this the US saw its control over the channel compromised).
Stealth bombers blew the hell out of Panama city, and even when
a bomb fell in one of the most miserable and poor "barrios" in the outskirts of the city killing twice as many people as in the WTC and pentagon, this did not became front line news for more than half an hour. Some dumb general said, "we are sorry" and that was the end to that.
At the end Noriega gave himself up and when interviewd he said he only did it because he wasn't very keen on seeing your bombers devastate his people.
I would like to invite you all to read my replay in the thread "are you with us or against us"
with nothing more to add i thank anyone who had the time to read this..
and like in the other replay ill also add what Ghandi once said:
"An eye for an eye and we will all end up blind" [url]http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.phps=&threadid=5676&perpage=15&pagenumber=5[/URL]
FearlessLeader2
Fundamentalist Loon
Looks to me like you missed the point Weimar. American doesn't want to do ANYTHING to Afghanistan. We want to eradicate bin Laden and his network, and we'll crush the Taliban if they get in our way.
Mongol Horde
Resident Savage Army
Like FL2 said, this is a war against terrorism not Afghanistan as a whole. If the Afghan government is actively sponsoring terrorism then we should bomb its troops and attempt to overthrow it, Afghan civilians should never be targeted.
Surely America said that they would attack anyone who supported Bin Laden...
Anyway I voted for number 2 because thats what NATO usually does so I don't see why America will do anyting else.
It could destroy any other targets, than Bin Laden and with much less risk to American and other countries soldiers that could potentially be killed. Some innocent people would be killed but I suppose if America is going to do anything then some innocent people will die.
Anyway I voted for number 2 because thats what NATO usually does so I don't see why America will do anyting else.
It could destroy any other targets, than Bin Laden and with much less risk to American and other countries soldiers that could potentially be killed. Some innocent people would be killed but I suppose if America is going to do anything then some innocent people will die.
ComradeDavo
Formerly God
hmmm i am the only to vote for nothing then.
PEACE IS GOOD!!!!
*my actual choice would be diplomacy and a massive change USA foriegn policy, but that was no choice
*
PEACE IS GOOD!!!!
*my actual choice would be diplomacy and a massive change USA foriegn policy, but that was no choice
*
spycatcher34
Emperor
Nukes are *alittle extreme so i voted for the next one. Send in the troops!!
duke o' york
It don't mean a thing....
Originally posted by allan
Someone (Ashoka, I believe it was) mentioned that a Thai official suggested the following: that we remove the explosive payloads from our missiles, and fill them with pork fat, and splatter the terrorists with that....
Even though this seems like a stupid joke, I think that you should bomb the Afghans with food. If they are receiving enough food from "heaven" then they will soon no longer need the Taliban regime. We need to help these people and try to coerce them into giving up Bin Laden for trial, not blast them out of existence.
Use of force against innocent people is totally unnecessary, especially since Afghanistan is the world's poorest country, If the yankees insist on retaliation, however, they should use their high- falootin' satellites to track down these over-zealous maniacs, and then drop a seal team or something to take them out.
And who the hell would be so totally whacked as to want to use nuclear weapons? That nuclear explosion would also kill people in Pakistan, China and the old soviet republics, so they would sure have something to say about that as well!
And who the hell would be so totally whacked as to want to use nuclear weapons? That nuclear explosion would also kill people in Pakistan, China and the old soviet republics, so they would sure have something to say about that as well!
duke o' york
It don't mean a thing....
I want everyone to read this:
http://www.theonion.com/onion3734/point_americas_response.html
It should give some sense of perspective, I hope.
http://www.theonion.com/onion3734/point_americas_response.html
It should give some sense of perspective, I hope.
Oh, Man! Such blood-thirsty, in-human, violence-fixated neanderthals! They act like this is the first time innocents die!
They act like americans should be worth more than the *average*
human being! Man i hope that idiot Bush thinks about all the innocents in Afghanistan, because many of them don't even know what is going on!
War is for people who cant solve their problems in a civilized manner, war should only be the VERY last resort, as i said, Osama bin Laden is a man with absolutely no respect for human lives, and the americans with all their money and high tech systems should track HIM down and terminate HIM!
They act like americans should be worth more than the *average*
human being! Man i hope that idiot Bush thinks about all the innocents in Afghanistan, because many of them don't even know what is going on!
War is for people who cant solve their problems in a civilized manner, war should only be the VERY last resort, as i said, Osama bin Laden is a man with absolutely no respect for human lives, and the americans with all their money and high tech systems should track HIM down and terminate HIM!
G-Man
A One Man's War
What have I done? All I said was that the US shouldn't use nukes. Isn't that what you want?
I still support all other means, aspecially the assasinations. It's the best way to kill only the terrorists and not civilians.
