I am not sure you have this option when someone threatens you.
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I am not sure you have this option when someone threatens you.
Dmitry
Chieftain
I always get this option when some one thretens me. At least thats what I got yesterday.
Now that I think of this:
if you have time try to get an alliance with one of them going. In case of all of them going to war with you at the same time - honker down for a couple of turns then bribe one into peace and in a couple more turns try to get it to wage war on the other AI. You have some techs to throw at them. You will be out of luck if all of them are on the same continent. Hard to hold them all back with 2-3 pike men in a city. :_)
Now that I think of this:
if you have time try to get an alliance with one of them going. In case of all of them going to war with you at the same time - honker down for a couple of turns then bribe one into peace and in a couple more turns try to get it to wage war on the other AI. You have some techs to throw at them. You will be out of luck if all of them are on the same continent. Hard to hold them all back with 2-3 pike men in a city. :_)
The other aspect to be wary of is MPP (Mutual Protection Pacts). If the AI Civs have formed MPPs and just one of them declares war on you - anyone who has an MPP with them is obliged to follow suit. It pays to keep track of who's MPP'ed with who.
It's just another thing to consider when you refuse a Civ's demands.
Personally I don't seem to have the problem too much (mainly because I don't seem to get that far ahead in terms of Science or Cash). But even playing an expansionist strategy (which I prefer) you have to watch who's toes you're treading on.
Also, if you suspect you may be vulnerable to a sudden war, it pays to choose your allies ahead of time. It's usually fairly easy to work out who's going to be a threat and who might be most likely to be a good friend. Consider making your own MPP's with a neighbour of your greatest threat (at least that way, if you end up in a war, your 'friend' might be more likely to take the brunt of the attacks). [Is that dispicable or what?]
It's just another thing to consider when you refuse a Civ's demands.
Personally I don't seem to have the problem too much (mainly because I don't seem to get that far ahead in terms of Science or Cash). But even playing an expansionist strategy (which I prefer) you have to watch who's toes you're treading on.
Also, if you suspect you may be vulnerable to a sudden war, it pays to choose your allies ahead of time. It's usually fairly easy to work out who's going to be a threat and who might be most likely to be a good friend. Consider making your own MPP's with a neighbour of your greatest threat (at least that way, if you end up in a war, your 'friend' might be more likely to take the brunt of the attacks). [Is that dispicable or what?]
Carbon_Copy
Elemental
You're right, MPPs ARE something to look out for, but that's now how they work. MPPs are only triggered when:
-The workers of a member nation are captured
-The units of a member nation are attacked or bombarded
-The territory of a member nation is bombarded
These often happen right after a declaration of war, but a declaration of war itself doesn't trigger the MPP. If you really want to play with AI reputations, you can find a nation you want to attack that has lots of MPPs with other nations, make MPPs with those nations yourself, then declare war on the nation you want to attack. Then send a worker or two or a sacrificial warrior you've still got around from the ancient era to a spot where they could easily be captured or killed by the nation you declared war on. Don't do any other offensive action. Despite you being the aggressor in the war (by declaring war in the first place), when the AI you're at war with captures that worker, all of his (former) honchos will turn around and declare war on him, too, since your units got attacked first. It will also put a huge black mark on the reps of every nation involved (except for you, ironically), since in order to honor your MPP, they had to break the one they already had. Conversely, if you made all the MPPs, then went and bombarded his oil source first, then you'd be on the receiving end of all of your former MPP allies, however your rep would still be okay, since the allies are the ones that are considered to have broken their treaties when they sided with your enemy. They'd just all hate you because you fought a war with them.
But yeah, in general, beware AIs who demand things while in a bunch of treaties. They're nothing but trouble. And if you have the option of making a counter-proposal, that's not a threat, that's the AI initiating diplomacy with you (though the quality of the deals you'll get from an AI might make you *feel* like you got extorted).
-The workers of a member nation are captured
-The units of a member nation are attacked or bombarded
-The territory of a member nation is bombarded
These often happen right after a declaration of war, but a declaration of war itself doesn't trigger the MPP. If you really want to play with AI reputations, you can find a nation you want to attack that has lots of MPPs with other nations, make MPPs with those nations yourself, then declare war on the nation you want to attack. Then send a worker or two or a sacrificial warrior you've still got around from the ancient era to a spot where they could easily be captured or killed by the nation you declared war on. Don't do any other offensive action. Despite you being the aggressor in the war (by declaring war in the first place), when the AI you're at war with captures that worker, all of his (former) honchos will turn around and declare war on him, too, since your units got attacked first. It will also put a huge black mark on the reps of every nation involved (except for you, ironically), since in order to honor your MPP, they had to break the one they already had. Conversely, if you made all the MPPs, then went and bombarded his oil source first, then you'd be on the receiving end of all of your former MPP allies, however your rep would still be okay, since the allies are the ones that are considered to have broken their treaties when they sided with your enemy. They'd just all hate you because you fought a war with them.
But yeah, in general, beware AIs who demand things while in a bunch of treaties. They're nothing but trouble. And if you have the option of making a counter-proposal, that's not a threat, that's the AI initiating diplomacy with you (though the quality of the deals you'll get from an AI might make you *feel* like you got extorted).
IClaudius
Chieftain
I have found that aggressive Civs like the zulus will try and threaten me "we are bigger we demand a tribute...."
But after Nationalism all hell breaks out... One civ attacks me i fight back and 2 or 3 others come in for a piece of my territories...
I suggest occassional gifts and always counter offering will keep them happy...
But after Nationalism all hell breaks out... One civ attacks me i fight back and 2 or 3 others come in for a piece of my territories...
I suggest occassional gifts and always counter offering will keep them happy...
DrJambo
Crash-test dummy
this is all whining bollox! 
i've never had an all AI ganging up on me game (Monarch level), most of the time when war breaks out it often ends up a massive 4v4 world war and the two aggressors go about attaining allies after they start the war!
i've never had an all AI ganging up on me game (Monarch level), most of the time when war breaks out it often ends up a massive 4v4 world war and the two aggressors go about attaining allies after they start the war!
cephyn
Kubo
All this world v. You stuff just doesn't happen to me.
Been playing on regent as Egyptians this week. Huge map, enemy civs are: Germany, Babylon, Persia, France, Japan, China.
First China didnt expand fast enough, so they were gobbled up by me, France, and Japan. Everyone had declared war on THEM. Next to go was Japan -- outdated units. France, Germany, me and Babylon gobbled them up.
Now its the 1800s and the only 2 civs with a hope of winning the game are me and France. I'm behind on points. The entire world is allied against France. The only civ in this game to ever attack me has been France. I've refused extortion demands from every civ -- the only one to declare war was France.
Maybe its something about how you guys are playing. I'm on great terms with everyone -- except France.
Tech rate is insane though. battleships in the 1750s. bleh.
Been playing on regent as Egyptians this week. Huge map, enemy civs are: Germany, Babylon, Persia, France, Japan, China.
First China didnt expand fast enough, so they were gobbled up by me, France, and Japan. Everyone had declared war on THEM. Next to go was Japan -- outdated units. France, Germany, me and Babylon gobbled them up.
Now its the 1800s and the only 2 civs with a hope of winning the game are me and France. I'm behind on points. The entire world is allied against France. The only civ in this game to ever attack me has been France. I've refused extortion demands from every civ -- the only one to declare war was France.
Maybe its something about how you guys are playing. I'm on great terms with everyone -- except France.
Tech rate is insane though. battleships in the 1750s. bleh.
