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I agree with Roddy that we need more board games, but since that's an unlikely prospect, I'd be very interested in a good fresh start random map.
das
Regeneration In Process
1919!!! Come on, that hasn't been done before, and it has great potential.
If only because Toteone, if he plays this fellow's faction:
like he always plays his nations, it will be 100% realistic and in-character.
Ofcourse, if Toteone doesn't want him, then I'll play him just for the sake of it.
If only because Toteone, if he plays this fellow's faction:
like he always plays his nations, it will be 100% realistic and in-character.
Ofcourse, if Toteone doesn't want him, then I'll play him just for the sake of it.
Insane_Panda
Deity
Bwahahahahaha. Von Sternberg! 1919!1919!
Edit: I wants the Weimar!
Edit: I wants the Weimar!
Grandmaster
Deity
Well, I'm leaving tomorrow morning and the timeline and stats aren't done yet, but I'd might as well put up a little preview of the map, and a (very) short summary of the timeline so far:
The PoD occurs in 281 BC. In the spring of 281, Seleucus Nicator was within reach of capturing the throne of Thrace and Macedonia, in addition to his own Syrian kingdom. At the request of Lysandra, the wife of Agathocles (the son and heir of Lysimachus, who was disinherited and killed by his father in a dynastic intrigue), Seleucus had invaded Lysimachus' holdings in Asia Minor; and, having killed Lysimachus in battle and destroyed his army, there was nothing standing between Seleucus and Macedonia itself.
In OTL, Ptolemy Keraunos (Lysandra's brother and disinherited son of Ptolemy Soter of Egypt) assassinated Seleucus near Lysimachia in 281 BC, having realized that Seleucus did not intend to restore Lysandra to the Macedonian throne, but to take it for himself.
My timeline raises the question of how the world would have developed if Seleucus had not been killed at Lysimachia. I justify this by having Seleucus be a little more politically adept than he was in OTL; he makes it clear to everyone that he will in fact restore Lysandra, and this he does. Reaching Macedonia, Seleucus puts an end to the kingdom of Lysimachos, and captures the Macedonian-Thracian throne. Rathen than take it for himself, he makes a subtler power play: marrying his son and heir Antiochus to Lysandra, and appointing Lysandra as Regent of Macedonia until after his death, when Antiochus will reach his majority as king of both Syria and Macedonia.
With Europe secure, and Ptolemy Keraunos satisfied with Seleucus' sincerity following the restoration of Lysandra, Keraunos and Seleucus launch a campaign to overthrow Ptolemy II Philadelphus (Keraunos' brother) in Egypt. This campaign succeeds, and Keraunos is restored to his throne in Egypt.
Seleucus dies a short while later of old age, and is succeeded in Asia and Europe by Antiochus. Antiochus and Lysandra have several children, who intermarry with the children of Ptolemy III Keraunos; when all is said and done, a dynastic union, not an outright reconquest, has reunited the empire of Alexander.
That's as far as I've developed the timeline in detail so far. What will happen is that the Greco-Bactrian kingdom will rise in power with a series of successful campaigns in India, and will ultimately seize Medes from the "Seleucids" (I need to think of a better name). The "Seleucids" get involved in the Roman (Punic) Wars on the side of Carthage, securing Carthaginian victory in the Second Roman War (Second Punic). Carthage ultimately sacks Rome itself in the Third Roman War, causing the administrative center of the Roman state to shift north to Aquileia (may change it to Ravenna). Carthage becomes the dominant power in the West; East and Southeast Asia develop very much like OTL, the only differences being some minor effects in Southeast Asia caused by Bactrian power in India (including some interesting, IMHO, religious differences).
Whether Kalthzar is going to mod it or not, I intend to post the comleted timeline and map when they're finished.
Map as it currently stands, c. 100 BC:
http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads10/reunited_alexandrian_empire_map4.png
EDIT: Removed image tags to make the text easier to read
The PoD occurs in 281 BC. In the spring of 281, Seleucus Nicator was within reach of capturing the throne of Thrace and Macedonia, in addition to his own Syrian kingdom. At the request of Lysandra, the wife of Agathocles (the son and heir of Lysimachus, who was disinherited and killed by his father in a dynastic intrigue), Seleucus had invaded Lysimachus' holdings in Asia Minor; and, having killed Lysimachus in battle and destroyed his army, there was nothing standing between Seleucus and Macedonia itself.
In OTL, Ptolemy Keraunos (Lysandra's brother and disinherited son of Ptolemy Soter of Egypt) assassinated Seleucus near Lysimachia in 281 BC, having realized that Seleucus did not intend to restore Lysandra to the Macedonian throne, but to take it for himself.
My timeline raises the question of how the world would have developed if Seleucus had not been killed at Lysimachia. I justify this by having Seleucus be a little more politically adept than he was in OTL; he makes it clear to everyone that he will in fact restore Lysandra, and this he does. Reaching Macedonia, Seleucus puts an end to the kingdom of Lysimachos, and captures the Macedonian-Thracian throne. Rathen than take it for himself, he makes a subtler power play: marrying his son and heir Antiochus to Lysandra, and appointing Lysandra as Regent of Macedonia until after his death, when Antiochus will reach his majority as king of both Syria and Macedonia.
With Europe secure, and Ptolemy Keraunos satisfied with Seleucus' sincerity following the restoration of Lysandra, Keraunos and Seleucus launch a campaign to overthrow Ptolemy II Philadelphus (Keraunos' brother) in Egypt. This campaign succeeds, and Keraunos is restored to his throne in Egypt.
Seleucus dies a short while later of old age, and is succeeded in Asia and Europe by Antiochus. Antiochus and Lysandra have several children, who intermarry with the children of Ptolemy III Keraunos; when all is said and done, a dynastic union, not an outright reconquest, has reunited the empire of Alexander.
That's as far as I've developed the timeline in detail so far. What will happen is that the Greco-Bactrian kingdom will rise in power with a series of successful campaigns in India, and will ultimately seize Medes from the "Seleucids" (I need to think of a better name). The "Seleucids" get involved in the Roman (Punic) Wars on the side of Carthage, securing Carthaginian victory in the Second Roman War (Second Punic). Carthage ultimately sacks Rome itself in the Third Roman War, causing the administrative center of the Roman state to shift north to Aquileia (may change it to Ravenna). Carthage becomes the dominant power in the West; East and Southeast Asia develop very much like OTL, the only differences being some minor effects in Southeast Asia caused by Bactrian power in India (including some interesting, IMHO, religious differences).
Whether Kalthzar is going to mod it or not, I intend to post the comleted timeline and map when they're finished.
Map as it currently stands, c. 100 BC:
http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads10/reunited_alexandrian_empire_map4.png
EDIT: Removed image tags to make the text easier to read
das
Regeneration In Process
Well, as said, I'm either the Bolsheviks, either Sternberg if Toteone doesn't take him. ADMITTEDLY, he is something of an anachronism (the Military Buddhists split away from the others in 1920), but meh, its just one year and a few months of difference.
Ok most posts seem to converge on
alt his
alt his Industrial
Industrial
And then we have the ever intresting random map fresh start, unfortunalty guys i think there are too many fresh starts being played. so choose one of the above if you want a WWII I'll also do that.
(Das the reason i ask instead of just DO something with Decades of darkness is that i want to guage what people would be most intrested in)
alt his
alt his Industrial
Industrial
And then we have the ever intresting random map fresh start, unfortunalty guys i think there are too many fresh starts being played. so choose one of the above if you want a WWII I'll also do that.
(Das the reason i ask instead of just DO something with Decades of darkness is that i want to guage what people would be most intrested in)
das
Regeneration In Process
Well, Panda and I lead the "1919 Lobby". Its too interesting a year to pass up.
Nice tl, GM, I am rather sceptical about the possibility of even a more capable being able to reunite the entire Alexandrine Empire and about the Uberbactria (more specifically, its Persian territories; India it could keep, but with a different capital... maybe just make them very unstable at first?) Also, why would the Seleucids oppose the Romans? Its more likely that they would try to support Syracuse against Carthage, and thus Rome and Carthage will be allies against the Seleucids.
But ah well, nice timeline. Soon, Xen will begin to rant about it I suspect, but anyway...
Nice tl, GM, I am rather sceptical about the possibility of even a more capable being able to reunite the entire Alexandrine Empire and about the Uberbactria (more specifically, its Persian territories; India it could keep, but with a different capital... maybe just make them very unstable at first?) Also, why would the Seleucids oppose the Romans? Its more likely that they would try to support Syracuse against Carthage, and thus Rome and Carthage will be allies against the Seleucids.
But ah well, nice timeline. Soon, Xen will begin to rant about it I suspect, but anyway...
Insane_Panda
Deity
I might be willing to try my hand at modding again and mod 1919, if Kalthzar doesn't do it. But thats a maybe.
Insane_Panda
Deity
Could someone make a 1919 map for me?
das
Regeneration In Process
You better...
MAHAKALAREICH UBER ALLES!
Uh, if its GM's idea you will use Kal'thzar, I do assume we can be rebels/opportunistic barbarian warlords, right?
MAHAKALAREICH UBER ALLES!
Uh, if its GM's idea you will use Kal'thzar, I do assume we can be rebels/opportunistic barbarian warlords, right?
Insane_Panda
Deity
YAY! WEIMAR FOR ME!! actually, the weimar republic still called itself Deutsche Reich officially.
Insane_Panda
Deity
Oh, you should use an economic system similar to goobers, so you can accurately show half of my income being siphoned away by the evil allies.
das
Regeneration In Process
I will help with information and ideas.
Insane_Panda
Deity
I can do the map if you want. Blegh...ive slowly come to dislike mapmaking.
Ok Panda i would like you to do the map
Das i'll talk to you later today.
Thank you.
(P.s. you see currently i am at my girlfriends house, she isn't exactly pleased that i'm online talking to you guys.....she says to write "but shes really hot".....
*ahem*)
Das i'll talk to you later today.
Thank you.
(P.s. you see currently i am at my girlfriends house, she isn't exactly pleased that i'm online talking to you guys.....she says to write "but shes really hot".....
*ahem*)
Insane_Panda
Deity
Some Infos:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weimar_Republic
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_of_Versailles,_1919
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_Civil_War
just general stuff. Im sure das can fill you in with much better detail.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weimar_Republic
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_of_Versailles,_1919
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_Civil_War
just general stuff. Im sure das can fill you in with much better detail.
Reno
The Studio Ghibli Fanatic
And the Monarchist rebel's who try to take down the Republic to me.
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