Whats with some southerners being attached to the confederate flag?

[Brian Shanahan]

So you're saying the war would never have happened if the south didn't shoot first? The US government and it's remaining states would have just let succession happen?

Don't know that, mainly because the South decided to try and murder some troops instead of negotiating a withdrawl from the Union.

Meh. Mexico fired the first shots of the Mexican-American War but nobody can really claim that Mexico was the aggressor party and the USA was the victim.[/QUOTE]

That's mainly because the US officially declared first. But to be honest with you, reading up about it I would venture to guess that Mexico were responsible (now I'm not familiar with the war by any means, and reading up consists of the wiki, so I could be way off).

But take another analogy, the Irish War of Independance, the first shots were fired by Irishmen against members of the RIC at Solohead Beag (Tipperary people can't spell). Even though this was carried out by Breen and Treacy (cousin to my grandmother) independantly (and if I remember my Leaving Cert. history right in defiance of standing orders) of the Republican Dáil it is generally acknowledged as the opening of the war, and essentially an Irish declaration first.

 

[Formaldehyde]

You guys mean that fort on sovereign South Carolina territory? That fort?

You mean you are retracting your previous comment where you claimed that the US were the aggressors? Or do you believe that the US somehow forced South Carolina to attack federal property and jeopardize American lives?

 

[bhsup]

Well no, I am not retracting anything. South Carolina firing on their own land that is being held by force by a foreign power is hardly aggressive. That's defense.

 

[Formaldehyde]

Right. Deliberately attacking and killing Americans on federal property, even when they did absolutely nothing to instigate it, is always considered to be defensive.

For instance, if Hawaii decided to secede tomorrow, they would then be completely within their rights to kill everybody stationed at Pearl Harbor.

 

[bhsup]

No, of course not. Realistically you have to give them time to depart. Just as South Carolina did.

 

[Bugfatty300]

No one was killed in the seizure of Fort Sumter. The invasion of Virginia however...

 

[Brian Shanahan]

No one was killed in the seizure of Fort Sumter. The invasion of Virginia however...

That only speaks to Southern incompetence, not their intentions.

 

[bhsup]

That only speaks to Southern incompetence, not their intentions.

Oh....right.... That Southern incompetence that led to military victory after military victory against a superior military force time after time after time.

 

[Bugfatty300]

That only speaks to Southern incompetence, not their intentions.

Which is why the soldiers in the fort were allowed to go home after surrendering? I don't get it.

Oh yeah. South Carlina's intentions was to gain control the fort and not to murder it's occupants.

 

[Brian Shanahan]

Oh....right.... That Southern incompetence that led to military victory after military victory against a superior military force time after time after time.

Who won the war again? That's right not the traitorous scumbag racists that started it.

Well I'm finished with this thread, if the people who cannot face the facts that the Civil War was started by a group of racist slave owners, because they couldn't accept the will of the people won't stop trying to shove their fallacies down my throat then I don't see why I should be here anymore.

Adios, fantasists.

 

[Bugfatty300]

trying to shove their fallacies down my throat.

Really?

Yeah take a look at the OP. Me and VRWC didn't start this nonsense and we sure as heck aren't forcing you post in this thread. If you don't like opposing view points being "shoved down your throat" then I suggest that you unplug the ethernet cable from your computer.