whats wrong with anti war protests
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amadeus
burning out his fuse out here alone
Being pro-Saddam and being indifferent to his actions are quite the same, if you ask me.
My answer is Elie Wiesel: "Neutrality helps the oppressor, never the victim. Silence encourages the tormentors, not the tormented."
Sultan Bhargash
Trickster Reincarnated
So Bush is pro-Mugabe, by that logic...
and pro-China, and pro-Qhaddafi...
and pro-China, and pro-Qhaddafi...
onejayhawk
Afflicted with reason
Ganging up on RM again I see. Hang in their buddy. Maybe you should ask where all the protesters were in '98.
J
J
You know, my kid asks me a lot about what's going on. He's ten, and pretty sharp. I am constantly having to support my reasonings and logic to him. Not because he wants me to, but there will be a day when he wants to know why. . . not just what I think. I actually approve of this, as now I have to consider my opinion or stance, not just fly off the handle with the first thing that sounds good.
I'm scared to death of this war that's coming. I see us bombing/invading/attacking Iraq, and I see Saddam (notice I say Saddam, not Iraq. Two different entities. I believe that if the Iraqis' had a fair vote, not like that kangaroo kourt they just had, they would not pick Saddam) nuking us. Yes, nuking, us. Do I believe that he has nukes? I don't know. Do I believe he has WMD? Yes, I do.
Oh, how I wish I lived in a world where I could just ignore something and it would go away. All the bad people and the bad things just wouldn't matter. I wish I could live in a place where one country wasn't hell-bent on being aggressive towards others. I wish I lived in a world where peace and love was the norm, not the exception. Sadly, I don't. Will I ever? Time will tell.
But I have to back GWB on this. A long time ago, I was reading a fantasy story where this king hired an army, and they went out and started taking over the world. Their attitude was, "Mess with us, pull back a bloodly stump with no head attached." At that young and impressionable age, I picked up on that attitude. While I don't go around chopping heads of (oh, how sweet that would be!) I think that other countries need to understand that if you don't start nothing, there won't be nothing. I think the quickest way to peace is to remove the tormentor. Look at it this way: Do you try to reason with cancer? No. You hunt it down and viciously erradicate it, hoping to get it all. You strike first, strike hard, and keep striking.
Would I rather sit around and have a good time with Iraqis' and Koreans? Damn skippy I would. I just don't have that option. I have nothing against the average Iraqi or Korean. Their leaders, yes. Their gov't, yes. But I do look forward to the day that this is no longer a problem. And I hope and pray for that day to be soon.
I'm scared to death of this war that's coming. I see us bombing/invading/attacking Iraq, and I see Saddam (notice I say Saddam, not Iraq. Two different entities. I believe that if the Iraqis' had a fair vote, not like that kangaroo kourt they just had, they would not pick Saddam) nuking us. Yes, nuking, us. Do I believe that he has nukes? I don't know. Do I believe he has WMD? Yes, I do.
Oh, how I wish I lived in a world where I could just ignore something and it would go away. All the bad people and the bad things just wouldn't matter. I wish I could live in a place where one country wasn't hell-bent on being aggressive towards others. I wish I lived in a world where peace and love was the norm, not the exception. Sadly, I don't. Will I ever? Time will tell.
But I have to back GWB on this. A long time ago, I was reading a fantasy story where this king hired an army, and they went out and started taking over the world. Their attitude was, "Mess with us, pull back a bloodly stump with no head attached." At that young and impressionable age, I picked up on that attitude. While I don't go around chopping heads of (oh, how sweet that would be!) I think that other countries need to understand that if you don't start nothing, there won't be nothing. I think the quickest way to peace is to remove the tormentor. Look at it this way: Do you try to reason with cancer? No. You hunt it down and viciously erradicate it, hoping to get it all. You strike first, strike hard, and keep striking.
Would I rather sit around and have a good time with Iraqis' and Koreans? Damn skippy I would. I just don't have that option. I have nothing against the average Iraqi or Korean. Their leaders, yes. Their gov't, yes. But I do look forward to the day that this is no longer a problem. And I hope and pray for that day to be soon.
Well he put Libya on the axis of evil, so he's anti Libya. He also added Cuba ...
I actually saw evidence of anti-anti war protest. Of course this was on Fox as someone pointed out. (Fox and Friends to be specific, the only program I've ever watched on Fox, though no matter what they're talking about within five minutes of tuning in I want to break the telly, or at least visit severe injuries on cute fluffy animals).
Well, unfortunatly, it's probably quite hard to make an anti war placard that contains eligant, intelligent reasoning without the writing reverting to a size illegible for the cameras. Unfortunatly Bush=Terrorist are what many revert to in the search for a witty slogan, yet they drag themselves back to the banal.
Writing something along the lines of "War in Iraq = propaganda for Al-Qaeda" is as small as I can get that particular argument down. It's still quite "lumpy" and for legibility to those far away it would need to be on a sign bigger than I could keep balance of.
(By the context of what I've written it looks like I've protested, but I haven't).
allan2
Gone Fishing
Like I've said before, it is good that people march for peace. As a proud American, I wouldn't have it any other way, whether I agree with the course they propose or not. It would not at all look like the America I know and love if NO ONE marched in protest of a war.
No matter how justified the war may be in your mind, war ALWAYS has a cost, and we need to be reminded of that. No, they are not pro-Saddam necessarily, and I doubt few really are in fact. Bush never EVER should have made the statement "you're either with us, or with the terrorists", because it seems to be rubbing off on some others here, and that statement is misleading and false--and it invokes either defiance (how dare you call me a terrorist sympathizer), or fear (does being anti-Bush mean I'll get put on some list, as a supposed terrorist sympathizer?). And the latter is certainly something NO American leader should even come close to inspiring in his own people.
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I'm really beginning to go back to my old gut feeling that while the war is probably better than doing nothing, I'm really concerned about who's driving, so to speak. When I heard Bush speak yesterday (the 7th), he had nothing really new to say (well, the "federation" proposal for Iraq was a new tidbit, but he didn't elaborate), and he almost never directly answered the reporters' questions, but kept repeating responses that sounded almost canned. I'm sorry, but it's almost like the man DOESN'T want to persuade the rest of the world toward this war, or at least doesn't really care if he does. "True believers" and "men with missions" do NOT make good leaders, especially in war, where a good leader is painfully aware that wars almost never go the way they are expected--yet when a reporter pointed this very thing out, he didn't know how to answer. THAT, my friends, is what really scares the sh*t out of me. And it should you, too. REAL war isn't the predictable romp over the AI that happens with an experienced Civ player--there are far more "wild cards" involved. I KNOW Colin Powell knows this--but when the boss doesn't (or doesn't seem to), and he's in command, that's scary. If he DOES know this, he should do more to reassure the American people that there are at least some contingency plans to deal with the worst that can happen--just saying "I'm confident that..." doesn't cut it.
Damn it, I wish McCain were in the Oval Office right now.... Somehow, I think he would be the more sober realist that we NEED in our situation now.
No matter how justified the war may be in your mind, war ALWAYS has a cost, and we need to be reminded of that. No, they are not pro-Saddam necessarily, and I doubt few really are in fact. Bush never EVER should have made the statement "you're either with us, or with the terrorists", because it seems to be rubbing off on some others here, and that statement is misleading and false--and it invokes either defiance (how dare you call me a terrorist sympathizer), or fear (does being anti-Bush mean I'll get put on some list, as a supposed terrorist sympathizer?). And the latter is certainly something NO American leader should even come close to inspiring in his own people.
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I'm really beginning to go back to my old gut feeling that while the war is probably better than doing nothing, I'm really concerned about who's driving, so to speak. When I heard Bush speak yesterday (the 7th), he had nothing really new to say (well, the "federation" proposal for Iraq was a new tidbit, but he didn't elaborate), and he almost never directly answered the reporters' questions, but kept repeating responses that sounded almost canned. I'm sorry, but it's almost like the man DOESN'T want to persuade the rest of the world toward this war, or at least doesn't really care if he does. "True believers" and "men with missions" do NOT make good leaders, especially in war, where a good leader is painfully aware that wars almost never go the way they are expected--yet when a reporter pointed this very thing out, he didn't know how to answer. THAT, my friends, is what really scares the sh*t out of me. And it should you, too. REAL war isn't the predictable romp over the AI that happens with an experienced Civ player--there are far more "wild cards" involved. I KNOW Colin Powell knows this--but when the boss doesn't (or doesn't seem to), and he's in command, that's scary. If he DOES know this, he should do more to reassure the American people that there are at least some contingency plans to deal with the worst that can happen--just saying "I'm confident that..." doesn't cut it.
Damn it, I wish McCain were in the Oval Office right now.... Somehow, I think he would be the more sober realist that we NEED in our situation now.
DarkerMotives
Made Man
IM a protester so why i am I not pro Saddam like you say I am.
I protest first strike wars as a *defensive* strategy.
If your neighbor bought a gun would you kill him and his family because he doesnt like you and there is a chance someday sometime could use it against you.
Its convienient that its Ok for the U.S to have nuclear weapons but no one else is allowed to under threat of attack.
I protest first strike wars as a *defensive* strategy.
If your neighbor bought a gun would you kill him and his family because he doesnt like you and there is a chance someday sometime could use it against you.
Its convienient that its Ok for the U.S to have nuclear weapons but no one else is allowed to under threat of attack.
guyincorner
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ok when i started this it was just about the stupid slogans(drop bush not bombs,bush=terrorist,give peace a chance,you wonder why they hate us)
just remember people you america voted him in
just remember people you america voted him in
Zarn
Le Républicain Catholique
Has the neighbor ever attempted to kill another neighbor (Kuwait/ Iran/ Israel) or one of his own (Kurds).
You lie. I have seen them (several) on the news (multiple sources) and it person.
As for the anti war rallies, they contain a very large range of constituencies. Pacifists appear to be the largest, but it is hard to tell, they may be exceeded by anti-Bush/anti- republicans, communists/socialists are a large minority, anti-globalism froups are there (I am not sure why), and wells as a usual contigent of wackos (My son was watching a froup mesmerized by speaker discribing how bush was going to bomb and invade Brazil). But by an large the bulk is pacifists and antis, which what you would expect. They do seem to be consistant in trying to inflate there repost numbers by 300% to 500%.
As for the lead question, there is nothing wrong about protesting the war, outside being 'wrong' or 'right' (if ther is such a thing on such a question). As usual with any large congregation, there had been incedents of bad and crimminal behavior, but not more than would be expected with such crowds.
cgannon64
BOB DYLAN'S ROCKIN OUT!
Alright, let me try to expand this a little bit. This guy two blocks away from you bought a handgun once. He went to his neighbor's house and shot him. The cops went in there, arrested him, and now he doesn't have a gun (although he may just be hiding it). He's under house arrest, possibly with a gun. You live two blocks away.
Would you feel threatened in that situation?
Whats wrong with anti war protests:
Nothing, the right to protest against your goverment is what makes us democratic or free people.
Its restricts the power our leaders have over us.
Be proud of your right to do it, even if you don't agree with the protest.
Nothing, the right to protest against your goverment is what makes us democratic or free people.
Its restricts the power our leaders have over us.
Be proud of your right to do it, even if you don't agree with the protest.
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