When a gunshot rings out, does it make a sound?

Hundegesicht

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Perhaps you are familiar with Kenneth Clark's landmark study of children and dolls.
Beginning in 1939, Dr. Clark and his wife Mamie conducted tests in which they presented black and white children with dolls, also black and white. The kids were asked to decide which of the dolls were ''nice'' and which were ''bad.'' Overwhelmingly, the white children favored the white dolls. Overwhelmingly, the black children did, too.
Clark's study helped persuade the Supreme Court to strike down segregation in the case of Brown v. Board of Education; it offered stark proof of the emotional harm that practice was doing black children. You can tell a lot about a child from the way she plays with her doll.
With that in mind, what should we make of the way 9-year-old Sherdavia Jenkins was playing with her doll last Saturday afternoon? Sherdavia was out in front of her home in Liberty Square, also known as the Pork 'n' Beans housing project in inner-city Miami, digging in the dirt. Digging the doll a grave.
Then somebody shot at somebody else -- the who and why are mysteries -- and a bullet pierced the little girl's neck. Saturday, a week after she played at digging a grave for her doll, Sherdavia will be lowered into one herself.
It is not a big national story. Outside of South Florida, one would be hard-pressed to find much mention of it. Which is not to vilify the Chicago Tribune or The Washington Post. Surely, those communities have had randomly murdered children of their own that the rest of us knew nothing about. And yet . . .
If this were a story about same-sex marriage, there'd be screaming headlines.
If it were a pretty white girl gone missing, there'd be breathless updates.
Instead, it's just a little black girl killed while playing in front of her home. And the chirp of crickets is deafening.
MAKES YOU WONDER
Makes you wonder about our priorities, the things we deem important.
The fact that such a thing can happen and not stir the nation to moral outrage says something. It says that random inner city murder occurs so often it barely registers as news. And it says, too, that when certain things happen to certain people in certain places, we find them easier to accept. You might even say we expect it, anticipate that from time to time, black kids in the projects will die because punks and gangsters can't shoot straight.
I can't know for sure, but I wonder if Sherdavia, her tender age notwithstanding, didn't expect it, too: She was giving her doll a funeral. It has been said, after all, that black kids in poor and violent places plan their funerals like other kids plan their proms.
NUMBERS DON'T LIE
Can you blame them? In 2004, 14,121 Americans were murdered. African Americans, representing about 12 percent of the nation's population, were 47 percent of the nation's murder victims. Of the 6,632 blacks killed, better than one in four was 21 or younger. Violence is no stranger in certain places.
In those places, kids can tell you what it's like to pass by corpses on the way to school. In those places, the skyscrapers downtown might as well be on another planet.
In those places, life is hard and money is tight. In those places, boys walk about with the mean swagger that comes of a gun in the pocket and a conscience on mute, mistaking themselves for men.
In those hard and cold places, death becomes a way of life, a lesson learned young. And then relearned endlessly. Four days after Sherdavia died, a boy named Markese Wiggan was shot to death in Lauderhill. He was 14 years old.
And so it goes. This is not a black problem. It is, emphatically, an American problem. Unfortunately, it is not an American priority.
Until it is, children like Sherdavia will continue to bury their dolls. And their parents will continue to bury them.

This morning I read Classical Hero's thread about the little girl who was murdered in his city, and about how it made national headlines and the massive outpouring of grief and sympathy toward's the family of the little girl. With his post still fresh on my mind, I picked up the newspaper, flipped to the editorials and read this.

Now I'm not a big Leonard Pitts fan, and I don't really agree with the racial blame game he has going on usually, and hell, I rarely post topics in OT, But this artical struck me as being profound. Why do we as a society (American specifically, but western society as a whole, really) care so little about the ongoing slaughter of our children? I kid you not, I've seen far more journalism condemning and trying to put an end to the killing of dogs and birds than I have of human children.

Pitts mentions gay marriage and other moral issues being huge deals, but look at the teaching of Jesus. Jesus never condemns anyone so strongly as when he condemns those who would harm children, saying something to the degree of "it would be better for [them] to be tossed into the ocean to drown with a grindstone around their neck" than to have to face the punishment in store for them. Yet we read about thousands of convicted child molesters going free and even being granted positions in the church and we just mumble "that's too bad" awkwardly and pretend it isn't happening.

And this post will probably get a couple sympathetic posts, and most of the people who read it will think "that's too bad" and then promptly forget what they read here because it's too uncomfortable to think about, too close to home to safely condemn.

(Not trying to bash your post, CH! Just got me thinking)
 
I'm aware.

Sorry if I didn't make it clearer, but I *disagree* with Pitts on his racial ideas. I think it's a tragedy that spans all races, but it's also typically ignored, regardless of race.
 
What would you have people do? Quit their jobs and go on a man-hunt for the killer? I read CH's post and felt not only sad on behalf of the little girl that no doubt did not deserve this, but outraged as I suggest is the motive behind your statements. But I am not going to hop a plane to Australia to make sure I do everything I can to catch this guy. I have to make a living. It is sad and the world is filled with sad things.

Plus, if we are pulling Jesus in, he tells us the world is a breeding pit for evil. If you think the world is going to magically turn around and it will stop, it isn't because the world values money over spiritualism. In the material world, money is god, not God Himself. Money has become the backbone of society thus its what we are founded upon. Thus, like I said most of us have to make a living. Let God deal with this man, I am sure the punishment will be more than we could ever give him along with the fact it will be 100% justified. If it helps any, the girl is in heaven right now. What is done is done, this strangers fate, and those like him have judgement awaiting them and there is no way to escape it.
 
Hundegesicht said:
Yet we read about thousands of convicted child molesters going free and even being granted positions in the church and we just mumble "that's too bad" awkwardly and pretend it isn't happening.

I am of course reffering to this section. I don't think people pretend it never happened rather, life goes on and so must we.
 
King Flevance:

Where I'm from, police spending is being cut left and right, people are forced to live in appalling conditions, and it's not safe for kids to play in their own front yards. Am I saying you get on a plane and fly to Australia? No! Am I saying you personally aren't a compassionate guy? Of course not! This topic isn't a personal attack against you, and honestly, I'm a bit confused why you think it is.

What would I have people do? Maybe don't vote for the guy who wants to cut police spending in half to build a new mall/stadium, or DO teach your kids and anyone who'll listen about respect and tolerance, and how valuable a human life is. Maybe donate to a charity or volunteer as a mentor for troubled youth.

And, for all I know, King Flevance, you already do all of that. Good for you! I didn't write this topic for or about you, but the people I know in r/l, and on internet forums, who read stories like this and say "they'd probably just grow up to be gansters/hookers anyway, who cares?"
 
I think that instead of hoping the murder gets punishments in his afterlife (Assuming you even believe in an afterlife which I personally don't) we should do something. People don't care about it because they don't care about others and just want to make themselves in a better condition (when you think about it, our current way of life is extremely barbarian). I think we should change our way of life and our government so that instead of being rewarded and only caring about helping ourselves that we should all have equal treatment and make ourselfs dedicated to helping each other. Proverty and violence are formed because of ignorance and selfishness. We need to become aware of our brothers and sisters of the human race. We should come to realize that the world doesn't consist of ourselves and that the only thing thats important isn't just helping ourselves. Can you imagine what we could do if the human race could work together a family? In my humble opinion the life of our ancient ancestors was a consant struggle to become dominant over our pack and take all the food for ourselves. In modern times we have not changed except now we strive for material wealth, power, and eating the sweet fruit of others labor. Let's change our goals to help our sisters and brothers out.
 
I am not saying you wrote this about me. Or anyone specific, it just seemed you were irritated over the fact that over time these things tend to be quelched and/or simply forgotten. I did not mean to seem as if I was coming at you directly either but more giving you a different viewpoint from the side of someone that honestly does what he can but generally does forget about all of these cases as they are numerous.

Simply put the laws are how they are. We can vote and thats all we can do. But obviously the world isn't too worried about it for some reason. It will more than likely not improve because people are selfish as a majority and are more concerned with other things.

I know where your coming from. It's baffling that it is like that, isn't it? But it is because America tends to ignore these things even though Washington D.C. is one of the cities with the highest crime rates. Any decent size city here has large crime and casualties take effect. It's simply "too bad".
 
greenpeace said:
I think that instead of hoping the murder gets punishments in his afterlife (Assuming you even believe in an afterlife which I personally don't) we should do something. People don't care about it because they don't care about others and just want to make themselves in a better condition (when you think about it, our current way of life is extremely barbarian). I think we should change our way of life and our government so that instead of being rewarded and only caring about helping ourselves that we should all have equal treatment and make ourselfs dedicated to helping each other. Proverty and violence are formed because of ignorance and selfishness. We need to become aware of our brothers and sisters of the human race. We should come to realize that the world doesn't consist of ourselves and that the only thing thats important isn't just helping ourselves. Can you imagine what we could do if the human race could work together a family? In my humble opinion the life of our ancient ancestors was a consant struggle to become dominant over our pack and take all the food for ourselves. In modern times we have not changed except now we strive for material wealth, power, and eating the sweet fruit of others labor. Let's change our goals to help our sisters and brothers out.

i couldve sworn you were tomsnowman. ohwell, you raise good points.

very tom-like points :hmm:
 
greenpeace said:
I'n trying to imitate tom!!! omg, why does everyone always say that!!! Why can't two people have similar views gheesh. (your like the fifth person to say that).


Tom is much kinder and open to others imo.

As for the article, I atill think this is a class thing. The lower class always gets less attention. This is why we dedicate so much to them. I have lived in rough neighborhoods in San Antonio, and let me tell you that lower class violence has to do with poverty, education, and parenting. I'm in a small town now, and there are plenty of poor people but as cities grow communty dies. Does this make sense to anyone else as well?

There is a little racism in us all, and imo many sensational stories don't go national because yes they are not pretty and white.
 
greenpeace said:
sorry if I seem rude.

Its not all the time or anything man, I just think you fall into the "everyone else is a fricking moron" trap. Believe it or not most of us are quite rational. Imo thats the beauty of humankind, we all have our experiences and can come to rational conclusions that are totally different.
 
I don't think everyones a frickin moron you frickin moron. jk, jk, jk. No but seriously, I try to respect others opinions it's just that I like to voice my own.

edit: I think we should stay more on topic, its all my fault that we went off topic so I should be saying that I should stay on topic but you know what I mean.
 
I don't deny that there are biases within our community against minorities, but there are quite a few places with high minority populations where this is nothing new. Quite often a white child is on the headlines because the neighborhood or city seemingly has a low crimerate, but it is entirely possible that this girl was in an area where murders were common.

Like whenever I'm visiting a family member near Philedelphia, I always hear that some person died, or this street went up in flames. In fact, I've come to expect this to happen in several places, and that is wrong. That is why we need more parental supervision, a much more equipped, if not more numerous, police force, and a better web of coverage in cities to bring justice.
 
Actually, although we want the same thing to happen I personally want it to happen in a different way.
I don't think massive force is the answer, I think we need to change the human way of life so that we INTENTIONALLY stop crime. By stopping crime I mean making criminals an extinct race. Think about it, Most murders are commited on the basis of self-gain. If we could make self gain obsolete by making ourselves at love with each other than that kind of crime would stop. Most other crimes are committed on the basis of hate which, obviously, would stop. Its almost hypocrticle to punish criminals since our current way of life promotes it in a sense
 
Tycoon101 said:
That is why we need more parental supervision, a much more equipped, if not more numerous, police force, and a better web of coverage in cities to bring justice.

I agree with this so much, espeially the parenting thing man, I was a rough kid in my day and in my experiences this was the most consistent issue. I can never truly convey the pain we suffer when this is so lacking in children's lives.
 
greenpeace said:
Actually, although we want the same thing to happen I personally want it to happen in a different way.
I don't think massive force is the answer, I think we need to change the human way of life so that we INTENTIONALLY stop crime. By stopping crime I mean making criminals an extinct race. Think about it, Most murders are commited on the basis of self-gain. If we could make self gain obsolete by making ourselves at love with each other than that kind of crime would stop. Most other crimes are committed on the basis of hate which, obviously, would stop. Its almost hypocrticle to punish criminals since our current way of life promotes it in a sense


Man, I hate to break this, but its human nature. Yes we play to it with a capitalist system, but apparently playing against human nature is devestating. Communism was the strongest attempt and to pull to off (which was never doen anyways because power corrupts anyways) they had to purge their civilians.

I do think philosphy courses would be a good requirement for students though, it teaches reasoning and the common sense of good will to others. Imo the human race is no where near ready for what you are suggesting, and by the time we are so enlightened we won't be humans anymore, we ill haved moved on. Its a pretty idea but not very realistic, if you pamper to much you promote sloth and idleness, which ar ea big cause of crime in themselves.
 
Believe me, I know how hard it is to break human nature so that it becomes humane nature. However, I still hold on to my believe that we can come to respect each other and love. I have even attempted to write constitions for such a government and I agree it seems near impossible to prevent corruption, have nearly 0 governmental control and still have the people somehow all respect each other, but I think the answer lies in the economic system. Anyway, I don't really understand the last comment/sentence, could you clarify?
BTW Communism is so pathetically easy to become corrupt that I personally don't even consider it to be at all a "good" form of government and it seems even worse than capitalism.
 
greenpeace said:
Believe me, I know how hard it is to break human nature so that it becomes humane nature. However, I still hold on to my believe that we can come to respect each other and love. I have even attempted to write constitions for such a government and I agree it seems near impossible to prevent corruption, have nearly 0 governmental control and still have the people somehow all respect each other, but I think the answer lies in the economic system. Anyway, I don't really understand the last comment/sentence, could you clarify?
BTW Communism is so pathetically easy to become corrupt that I personally don't even consider it to be at all a "good" form of government and it seems even worse than capitalism.


I don;t know if I can really, but I'll try. Sloth and idlesness to me are very bad things. Especially if they are excessive. One should focus their attentions on things, because imo and experience boredom can lead to mischief (this is meant with kids especially, but it does apply to adults). The pampering thing? If you take care of people's needs, they generally don't have much to focus on.
 
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