Where do the new leaders fit into the Aggression Levels chart?

[Common Sensei]

150% Dogpile rate for Lincoln?

 

[PimpyMicPimp]

All I know is that Suryavaman will attack you at Friendly! I hate that guy...

 

[MangleMeElmo]

LAWL! Who ever thought Honest Abe could be such a backstabber?

 

[kell_the_kyuss]

Most of that list seems ok.

Except Aosaka, Ghandi and the Egyptians.

Id rather trust Catherine who was a different religion then me then trust an Egyptian as far as I could toss a pyramid.

 

[azaris]

Umm. If my understanding of this is right: If Boudica has 0% chance of going to war at pleased while Genghis has 10% at pleased, and Genghis has a higher unit build prob, and all other things being equal, and that the 'bastards' are at the top, then why was Boudica above Genghis? And why was she given a higher total?

They are sorted by the 'Total' column. As to why it is how it is, I don't know, Blake did not explain his formula. I simply assumed it was somehow computed from the four figures given and did a linear fit that approximates Blake's unknown formula. There's a possibility he also used some figures I did not include.

I also suspect some of the old leaders' stats might have been changed in BtS, will have another look today. Abe's 150% dogpile rate is accurate though, amazing as it sounds.

 

[Tristan daCunha]

I was shocked by Honest Abe's 150% backstabbing rating. Its at quite a contrast to his paltry 17% chance of declaring war on his own.

I think he's a prehistoric drag queen, which is good..

Not prehistoric - he lived in the third century BC. His leaderhead doesn't do him justice, at least going by the portrait of him in the wikipedia article. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ashoka

 

[Watiggi]

Something's wrong: Most of the new leaders are 100, whilest the older leaders are less than 100. I dare say all of the older leaders have been increased so that the dogpilers are over 100. It would put lincoln into perspective. Prehaps Monty is now 175.

 

[azaris]

Yes I had the dogpile number the wrong way round, Blake had used 100-iDogPileWarRand as an indication of how likely a leader is to dogpile. It's not entirely sane at the moment since now Abe has a -50% chance of dogpiling crazyeye, but at least the numbers are comparable.

 

[Willowmound]

That's interesting, Ragnar appears the most aggressive but he's usually peaceful with me in my games.

My thoughts exactly. The two of us usually get on like a house on fire. That may be though because I like him and subconsciously treat him a little better, giving him better deals and the like. Hey, usually I'm Ragnar -- what do you expect!

 

[Willowmound]

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Not prehistoric - he lived in the third century BC. His leaderhead doesn't do him justice, at least going by the portrait of him in the wikipedia article.

Drag queen seems pretty accurate though.

 

[magicalsushi]

Yes I had the dogpile number the wrong way round, Blake had used 100-iDogPileWarRand as an indication of how likely a leader is to dogpile. It's not entirely sane at the moment since now Abe has a -50% chance of dogpiling crazyeye, but at least the numbers are comparable.

I could be wrong here, but I think iDogPileWarRand is the divisor, not the numerator, in whatever fraction it is that determines the percentage chance of a dogpile war. Presumably the numerator is greater than 1, or otherwise the chances of anybody dogpiling at all are very low, but anyway, the higher the raw number, the lower the chance. I guess people like Hatty, who have a 0 in that column on Blake's chart, must have an iDogPileWarRand of 100? I guess the reason that Lincoln's is so low is that you're supposed to take the reciprocal of the number, whereas blake has only used subtraction, so his scale is linear instead of reciprocal, and hence gives a weird result for Lincoln. [assuming I'm right about how it works!]

In any case, it looks like Lincoln will virtually never dogpile. He really is Honest Abe!

 

[Watiggi]

All right, first off, ragnar has a iDogPileWarRand of 25 - not 75 (this is for both BtS and Warlords). So I guess that would mean that the 75 value that Blake has put there was a value that took other things into consideration (prehaps, like iWarRand, iLimitedWarRand and what ever else that was considered relevent). Either way though, putting the raw iDogPileWarRand values of the new leaders into that list under dog pile isn't correct and throws the values out of whack.

edit: ok azaris, I see what you mean now with the 100-iDogPileWarRand. I don't see how the numbers are comparable though with it set this way.

edit2: Ugh! I've been looking that the quoted version without realising - didn't see your edited version. Yeah, it's easier to read.

 

[Watiggi]

This deserved it's own post: Here's the original "bastard chart" made by Blake. "The bigger the values, the badder". Boudica should be below Genghis on that chart as all of his values are above Boudica's. I have no idea how you've come up with the total though.

 

[Jet]

Ragnar is easy to befriend because his favorite civic is HR and his WarPleased is moderate.

 

[phoenix_sprite]

Mehmed destroyed Asoka in my last game and then converted to Asoka's religion. Shaka was a lunatics too, going unprepared after Suryavaman who had a better navy and ivory! (islands)...Nothing more besides that.

 

[azaris]

I changed the DogPile number to 1/iDogpileWarRand and scaled it so that De Gaulle is 100 and everyone else is below him. I also had to redo the Total number but tried to fit the curve so they stay as close as possible to Blake's original (still unknown) formula.

 

[cairnsy44]

De Gaulle's "demand tribute" level is as high (25) as Genghis', Montezuma', and Napoleon's. Quite frankly he's a real pain in the rear end

According to the British and Americans generals during WW2, they might have said the same thing.

 

[cairnsy44]

Umm. If my understanding of this is right: If Boudica has 0% chance of going to war at pleased while Genghis has 10% at pleased, and Genghis has a higher unit build prob, and all other things being equal, and that the 'bastards' are at the top, then why was Boudica above Genghis? And why was she given a higher total? Just curious. (btw, I think Ragnar is above Monty because Ragnar has a higher unit build prob)

in my last game, Boudica was pleased with me and still declared on me. I easily fought her off. I did not want a war with her, so when "Overtures from the Celts to stop the bloodshed" event came up, I took it and within a few turns, she was Friendly with me.