Where's Israel?

[JonoLith]

This has to be one of the silliest thread topics that has gotten five pages on these forums. It's right up there with "Why isn't Hitler a leader of Germany?"

They should not be added in because there is so much controversy surrounding them, AND they have tied themselves so closely to their past. The arguements of "Well there's alot of controversy surrounding the Arab states but THEY'RE in the game" is ridiculous, because Arabia doesn't exist anymore, certainly not in the way that Civilization is presenting them.


No one currently believes George Washington to be a controvertial figure. King David is a controvertial figure because the Israelites still closely tie themselves to him, as do many within the Christian faith.

The true problem is that Israel, and everything associated with it, are largely seen in a religious context, not a political one. Civilization is a political game, not a religious one.

For the love of all that is holy, why do people even think this might be a good idea?

 

[Lyoncet]

For the love of all that is holy, why do people even think this might be a good idea?

Because it's their first post, probably (wasn't it?) Wouldn't fault the poster, but yeah it would be nice if these didn't crop up as often as they do.

 

[Phil Ken Sebben]

It became one once someone started questioning the validity of the USA being in Civ. Overcooked patriotism aside, I think most agree it deserves to be in, as these games typically run up to 2000-2050 AD, and it has been one of the most influential and powerful civs of the last 3 centuries - it's essentially a modern Babylon. Minus the lifespan. Yes the USA is young, but age is simply not the only criterium to choose a civ. I think that ends this discussion, anything else is just ranting about how great/poor America is. Since the USA is a main market for this game, it would make sense to include it anyway, even if you don't agree with the validity.

Israel (to get back to the original topic) in my opinion does NOT deserve to be in the game as a full civ. Most of it's ancient ''accomplishments'' are based in myth and legend, and they have been a slave nation for thousands of years, until very recently, and they are essentially a vassal of the USA right now, not a civ that stands on it's own.

I would support JERUSALEM as an independent city though.

 

[StStutter]

I would support JERUSALEM as an independent city though.

Hopefully they're saving Jerusalem for their religion based expansion pack in which they introduce Holy City States.

 

[migkillertwo]

It is not true. Archeology disproved such claims.

This thread needs a healthy dose of Kitchen

http://www.amazon.com/Reliability-O...=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1281992095&sr=8-1

 

[aziantuntija]

The question should be: Wheres Finland? http://www.newsweek.com/2010/08/15/interactive-infographic-of-the-worlds-best-countries.html

Its the best country in the world!

 

[The_J]

Okay, the experiment, if a thread like this can stay open, failed obviously, so:

Moderator Action: Recently we had a large number of threads about specific Civilizations/Leaders that seem to be excluded in the upcoming release of Civilization 5. Since most of these threads had to be closed by moderators due to excessive flaming/trolling/other rule breaking posts we have decided to discourage such threads for now and will close such threads as a matter of policy.
We are willing to entertain lifting this ban once tempers have settled down a bit.

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[migkillertwo]

Yeah but still loosing the war in Afghanistan.
Technologically their army is the most advanced but in size it is a bit smaller than China.
Perhaps the most important reason for US to be in is that Firaxis Head Quarters is in US.

Somehow I dont think that if Firaxis were headquartered in, say, Japan, Sweden, or Canada, that America would not be included in the Civilizations. Perhaps, possibly, if we weren't their largest customer base by far we may possibly not have been included in their list.

Oh, and doesn't the fact that America is rich enough to be their largest customer base give you something to think about?