If we want to censor because of some misplaced political correctness we're heading closer to repressive governments like that of China and further away from the freedom we pretend to favour. Think about that one, will you? No Norwegian who loves Civ would pass on buying Firaxis' products because they have dared to include Israel in their game, despite the anti-Israel stance of their government.
Which Civ we should have before Civilization VI?
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With that little speech you've kind of proved why we can't add Tibet. You really don't think what you just said was controversial?
And if Firaxis was to use it as the basis of Tibet's intro spiel that might be a problem. But they wouldn't.
I don't think they will. Victoria II has Tibet, a separate nation.
Muskie
Warlord
I voted Canada, but the special rule has to be diplomatic related and has to be called "Blame Canada".
Canada also gets rediculous natural resource bonus better than Russia, maybe an improved mine, no one has an improved mine. And I guess the RCMP or maybe special unit Voyagers that replaces Carvans and gets a bonus to trade overland along rivers and lakes. No military unique units for Canada, unless it is the Canadian Forestry Corp, we sent loggers overseas to fight in WW1, they were rifleman loggers, so they logged in Scotland and continental Europe after D-Day but occaisionally were pressed into shooting post D-Day.
They'd be like the Roman Legion except replace Great War Infantry and they could cut down trees, instead of the Roman Legion being able to make Roads the Canadian Forestry Corp could log.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadian_Forestry_Corps
Canada also gets rediculous natural resource bonus better than Russia, maybe an improved mine, no one has an improved mine. And I guess the RCMP or maybe special unit Voyagers that replaces Carvans and gets a bonus to trade overland along rivers and lakes. No military unique units for Canada, unless it is the Canadian Forestry Corp, we sent loggers overseas to fight in WW1, they were rifleman loggers, so they logged in Scotland and continental Europe after D-Day but occaisionally were pressed into shooting post D-Day.
They'd be like the Roman Legion except replace Great War Infantry and they could cut down trees, instead of the Roman Legion being able to make Roads the Canadian Forestry Corp could log.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadian_Forestry_Corps
DeutschDachs
Emperor
Canada:
Maple syrup farm UI: + 1 production, + 1 gold on forest tiles. Scales like lumber camps.
Mounties: Each mountie increases your defense against espionage.
UA: Great White North: snow and tundra tiles receive + 1 production and food to their original value
Maple syrup farm UI: + 1 production, + 1 gold on forest tiles. Scales like lumber camps.
Mounties: Each mountie increases your defense against espionage.
UA: Great White North: snow and tundra tiles receive + 1 production and food to their original value
Muskie
Warlord
With that little speech you've kind of proved why we can't add Tibet. You really don't think what you just said was controversial?
I do agree that Canada is a bad idea though, currently only really kept afloat by patriotism and a few wrong ideas about Canadas importance, like the fact that they currently contribute so much to the UN (Which they don't) or that their culture is very distinct from both the US and the UK (Which is isn't).
As for Israel, I really don't think people would ask for it if we could add it without controversy, its just that logic where if you take a kids toy away they instantly want to play with itpersonally, I'd like to see some more civs related to arabia, Sumer (not really arab but you know what I mean) Oman, and Afghanistan (Again, not Arab, but an important part of the Islamic world no doubt)
Canada contributed a lot to the modern world. A Canadian railroad engineer invented time zones. When the Chinese wanted to make a railroad to Tibet they got Canadians to design it. We had one fifth of the D-Day beaches and advanced the farthest on Day One. Canada liberated several countries during WW II and actually had to stop advancing so the British and Americans could liberate Paris and Berlin.
Alexander Graham Bell was a Canadian, the first phone call was made from Canada. Lester B Pearson did end the Suez Canal Crisis. Canada is a major supplier of raw materials to both the American and before that the British Empire, hell Japan, China, Korea etc. The US always requests key Canadian units whenever they invade a country particularly the Engineering Corp and JTF2.
Canada has historically punched above their weightclass in major world conflicts, we signed up for both World Wars well before the US did, literally years before. A Canadian unit holds the record for longest time spent as a POW and most casualties while POW, the Canadians were defending Hong Kong when Japan invaded, spent years in Japanese camps. Canada was used as a training ground for the BAF and many top British Aces were in fact Canadian.
Then there is your American Culture, A Canadian director made Avatar and Titatanic and other American Hollywood blockbusters. We even gave the world Justin Bieber. But also Leonard Cohen, Neil Young, Joni Mitchell, Margaret Atwood, Michael Ondatje etc. etc.
Canada is also a popular tourist destination, so with the renewed emphasis on Tourism & Culture, Hollywood North and all the "American" movies that are made in Canada not to mention all the hordes that come to see Niagra Falls and other Canadian landmarks. If Brazil gets to be a Civilization, why doesn't Canada?
We have a larger economy, we built the Canada-Arm, a Canadian recently commanded the International Space Station, has a Brazilian ever been in space, let alone commanded the International Space Station?
Random Canadian Propaganda
Urdnot_Scott
Sultan
Canada contributed a lot to the modern world. A Canadian railroad engineer invented time zones. When the Chinese wanted to make a railroad to Tibet they got Canadians to design it. We had one fifth of the D-Day beaches and advanced the farthest on Day One. Canada liberated several countries during WW II and actually had to stop advancing so the British and Americans could liberate Paris and Berlin.
Alexander Graham Bell was a Canadian, the first phone call was made from Canada. Lester B Pearson did end the Suez Canal Crisis. Canada is a major supplier of raw materials to both the American and before that the British Empire, hell Japan, China, Korea etc. The US always requests key Canadian units whenever they invade a country particularly the Engineering Corp and JTF2.
Canada has historically punched above their weightclass in major world conflicts, we signed up for both World Wars well before the US did, literally years before. A Canadian unit holds the record for longest time spent as a POW and most casualties while POW, the Canadians were defending Hong Kong when Japan invaded, spent years in Japanese camps. Canada was used as a training ground for the BAF and many top British Aces were in fact Canadian.
Then there is your American Culture, A Canadian director made Avatar and Titatanic and other American Hollywood blockbusters. We even gave the world Justin Bieber. But also Leonard Cohen, Neil Young, Joni Mitchell, Margaret Atwood, Michael Ondatje etc. etc.
Canada is also a popular tourist destination, so with the renewed emphasis on Tourism & Culture, Hollywood North and all the "American" movies that are made in Canada not to mention all the hordes that come to see Niagra Falls and other Canadian landmarks. If Brazil gets to be a Civilization, why doesn't Canada?
We have a larger economy, we built the Canada-Arm, a Canadian recently commanded the International Space Station, has a Brazilian ever been in space, let alone commanded the International Space Station?
Randam Canadian Propaganda
Well, I don't think any of these qualify Canada to be a civ. Contributing to WWII is incredible, and well worthy of our unending respect, but, and I feel terrible saying it, it doesn't rank it up there with Rome or England in terms of influence, plus, much of that is exaggeration, to say Canada, single handedly liberated a few countries an outright lie, although they did contribute more than most to the liberation of the Netherlands, that's true.
Alexander Graham Bell was, like me, a Scot. He lived in Canada for a while, but was not Canadian by any stretch of the imagination, which, unfortunately, makes me question the rest of your support for Canada.
Inventions wise, these are the contributions of individuals, and not Canada, more incredible inventions have come from the minds of Scottish people than from most other nations, but I do not ask for a Scottish Civ, simply because they haven't, as a culture or as a nation, made enough impact. As for exporting raw materials, that's a silly idea for inclusion as a Civ, Bahrain exports much of our oil, which we rely on for plastics and fuel, should we include them as a civ? heck no.
You kind of proved my point there with the culture thing, its essentially far too similar to the US. (as a side note, I despise avatar, it sucked, though titanic is pretty good, but, I digress)
Niagra falls, is again, a stupid reason for inclusion, as it is natural, should we include Uganda because it has lake Victoria? That has nothing to do with its achievements as a nation.
As for those singers... will that matter in 3000 years?
Brazil gets to be a civilization because it is unique in colonial nations for having an actual powerful empire, and for creating its own very unique culture.
Going to space, again, is unimportant, and reflects little on Canadas lasting cultural and historical influence. Maybe, given more time, Canada will be worthy of inclusion, but just step back and read your list and ask how much of it will be important in 2000 years.
Sorry, I love Canada, but its just not a civ.
Plus, much of what you said is either a lie, or misinformed, so I have a hard time believing any of it.
I actually like the idea of Canada, but it has a much smaller economy than Brazil. Prior to Brazil's inclusion in the game, it was far and away the largest modern economy not represented. (Though ironically, given Brazil's ingame focus, Canada does attract more international visitors each year than Brazil.) Canada certainly has stronger space tech claims; while Brazil has a space program and has contributed to the development of the ISS, only a single Brazilian has been to space (nine Canadians have), and Canada was the third country to put a satellite into orbit.
Novu
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1. Vietnam - Leader would be one of Nguyan Dynasty emperors.
2. Slavic Nation - Basically an amalgamation of Romania, Moldavia, Bulgaria, Serbia, Bosnia, Croatia, and Albania. Leader would be Vlad the Impaler as he is a cultural icon and folk hero to the region.
3. Remake India - New leader Ashoka the great from 240BC who represented India's power at its' peak.
2. Slavic Nation - Basically an amalgamation of Romania, Moldavia, Bulgaria, Serbia, Bosnia, Croatia, and Albania. Leader would be Vlad the Impaler as he is a cultural icon and folk hero to the region.
3. Remake India - New leader Ashoka the great from 240BC who represented India's power at its' peak.
1. Trung sister for double leaders (if implemented, it'll be new to the Civ series)
2. Yeah, but that excludes Hungary
3. Ashoka OR Akbar
Muskie
Warlord
Crazy Horse, "My Heroes have always killed Cowboys" - Neil Young T-shirt
Muskie
Warlord
You know what I meant. It is historical fact the Canadian advance was halted and redirected to liberate the Lowlands even though Paris and Berlin were the high profile targets. The British, Russians, and Americans all raced for Berlin with the Germans falling over themselves to surrender to anyone but the Russians. Canada held up in Belgium, the Netherlands, and parts of France and just kicked back at the close of the war. Boy did we get a lot of Tulips gifted to Ottawa.
Canadians were also sent to some strange places at the end of the World War I, including Siberia...
Tiggurix
Warlord
I know that we already have mythical leaders in Civ 5 (Dido and Hiawatha), but Atlantis would be going WAY too far. Atlantis was always meant as a simple parable when Plato first wrote about it, and is based on no factual civilisation.
baptismbyfire
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I really would like more Latin American representation. The fact is, the area has developed many fascinating unique cultures due to the interplay between Iberian culture, African culture, Native American culture and U.S. influence. I think they provide the opportunity to create some very different game play styles, which is what we should be looking for in any new DLC or expansion. If it was up to me, Mexico would be the next addition, but I could live with Colombia, Argentina or Cuba.
What a terrible idea. Better take a separate Slavic nation then, like we have Poland and Russia. Slavs in general makes little sense. Apart from that, there isn't any other Slavic nation significant enough next to Poland and Russia in my opinion. Others - while interesting - are just too small to compare. If it was Eastern European nation, things become different. Hungary is one big candidate here. Vlad Țepeș for Romania would be interesting as well.
