Which New Civ Would You Most Like to See?

[Tweedledum]

Originally posted by Ruffian
I have to go with the Mongols. I miss the shock of running into Attila early in the game.

I'd be somewhat shocked if I ran into Attila as leader of the Mongols. Genghis Khan maybe, but Attila!!?? He wasn't called Attila the Hun for nothing, methinks...

 

[Aggamemnon]

I'd like to see the Israelis, but surely David Ben Gurion should be the leader, if you're not going with King David or Moses.

 

[Nevermind97]

First, poor choices for added civs. The Spanish, Portuguese, and Dutch are no-brainers for me given the enormous impact they had on the world for better or worse. The Spanish UU should be a conquistador but named a "dragoon" to be politically correct. Maybe an early cavalry unit when gunpowder is discovered.
The Portuguese I'm not sure about a unique unit, probably some sort of ship and same for the Dutch which is why neither Potuguese nor the Dutch will probably ever be added but the Spanish should definitely be added with Queen Isabella.

After the Spanish, the Arabs have to be added. I'm not sure about the leader. Most likely Saladin since he seems to be the most recognizable even though he was a Kurd. Their unique unit should be a horsemen or a camel unit.

Next, the Turks should be added with Suleiman the Magnificent and janissary as the unique unit. Controlled much of the Mediteranean, Balkans, Middle East for a long time. Must be included.

The Mongols should be added again. Not sure why they were taken out. If nothing else it's just fun to be the Mongol conquerors. They had one of the largest empires in history and had a significant importance to all of Asia including a failed invasion of Japan, conquest of China, conquest of the Persians and Arabs. Obviously Gengis Khan and the UU should be Mangudai. See AOK.

Norsemen should also be included with the Longboat. Ocean going galley. Leif Ericson or Erik the Red.

Carthage should be included again with Hannibal. Rome's nemesis. Too important not to include. Not sure on their UU but it should probably be a more lethal galley.

Others I would like to see are Vietnamese with some sort of geurilla unit and Ho Chi Minh, Koreans, Incan another African civ such as Mali, Songhai, or Ethiopia. Possibly even replace them over the Zulus. I would like to see a Jewish civ given the historical and present impact they have had on the world but the game would have to be changed to allow for diaspora if your civ was conquered to maybe come back and start over in modern times.

Note: Byzantines were important also, but they were basically Roman-Greeks or Greek-Romans

units that should be included also: crossbowmen and flintlocks
Ideas for wonders: Temple of Soloman, Dome of the Rock, or Hajj

 

[raven]

Selahaddin (Saladdin) is surely not the most recognisable person for Arabs. It should be Muhammed (prophet of muslims), but muslims are very touchy about their prophet so it's impossible to draw his face or even use his name in the game. So it can be one of the caliphs of Abbasis or Emevis.

I forgot to mention Hitits. They were very important in ancient times. Maybe civs must be in categories, so that all civs in one game are from same era. For example, if you choose Hitits, your rivals will be Egyptians, Babylonians, Chinese..., but not Americans.

 

[Hagbart]

We need the ones from civ2:
Spanish: queen Isabella, Conquistador
Vikings: king Canute, Longboat
Mongols: G. Khan, Horseback Archer
Cartagians: Hannibal, hmm...War Elephant??

+ Arabs: Saladdin, ??
+ Incas: ??, ??


Maybe portuguese OR dutch.
Poor selection of civs in the poll!

 

[Angelic_Tyrant]

Well I think that the Spanish deserve to be added the most. In the late 16th century they were at their peak and the most powerful civ on earth. At this time England was lagging behind the major powers in Europe and considered just a small nation on the northern limits of Europe!

The only reason that I can think of why they were not added was becasue in the post-Napoleonic period they were under decline. But nevertheless, surely this great civ should be recognized?

 

[Switch625]

I'd say that we don't need any more European civs in the game, but leaving out the Spanish is a grave oversight. They are just too important to history.

It'd be easy enough to make a new civ group, the Africans, and put the Zulus there, along with Ethiopia, Nubia, and Mali.

Ethiopia was very important in ancient times, and early medieval times. It wasn't until the Arab conquests that they were marginalized, by being isolated from the outside world. You might recognize Ethiopia's ancient name: Sheba. One of Sheba's rulers, Queen Makeda, got prime publicity in the bible. She co-stars with King Solomon in the "Song of Solomon." You can't buy THAT kind of PR.

My knowledge of Mali and Nubia is sadly lacking, I'm afraid to say. But I do remember that Mali was an enormously wealthy nation. It's capital, Timbuktu, inspired legends for thousands of years. That should count for something.

To fill the gap left in the Mid-Eastern civs by removing the Zulu, we could put either the Turks or the Arabs. Either one would be a good choice.

Just some thoughts.

 

[Englishman]

Irish/Freedom Fighter: Yeah good one(!)...

Theres one problem with that if your referring to the IRA. No one wants to be freed NI is happly part of the UK by choice. Calling people who blow up / shoot innocent civilians including kids in the misguided hope that NI will suddenly want to be part of Ireland and change religion are the words of an idiot.

Sorry about this rant! Just makes me angry when people refer to the IRA as freedom fighters. If indeed thats what you mean't.

 

[Zouave]

The Carthaginians almost beat Rome.

Imagine how History would have changed if they had, and what an all-time power they would have become

Include Carthage.

 

[Switch625]

There are lots of threads in the Off Topic forum where you could go to bash Israel. Lets not start up here.

 

[alireza1354]

Originally posted by raven


Kurds had never founded a country in history. So how can we talk about a Kurdish civilisation? That's funny as suggesting Canadians in Civ. (Well they've founded a country at least, but that "mounted police" idea is still funny.)

You must be Turkish, for only Turks would come up with such a stupid remark with a high propability that it has resulted from the sick Kemalist propaganda machine which has even made Hittites and Sumerians proto-Turkic civilizations.So I am not astonished about your bizarre ignorance.

There was the Median Empire, who were the direct ancestors of the modern Kurds, a great civilization when when there was no Turk on the face of the earth, there were the Kurdisch Shaddadi Empire in the Kaukasus in the 10th century AD and there was the Ayyubi Empire of Saladin the Great in the 12th century AD who has defeated the shi'ite Fatimids and saved sunni Islam from extinction, there was the Zend Dynasty who ruled over Iran in the 15th century, there was the republic of Mahabad in the 40's which didn't last very long and there is a de-facto independant Republic of Kurdistan in northern Iraq with its own state institutions and foreign relations although still awaiting international recognition.

You must stop dreaming.

The forming of an independant Kordestan is more propable then the surviving of the Kemalist (facist) state of Turkey.

 

[BiatchGuy]

VIKINGS


...I guess Norse is close enough

 

[BiatchGuy]

Originally posted by raven
Maybe civs must be in categories, so that all civs in one game are from same era. For example, if you choose Hitits, your rivals will be Egyptians, Babylonians, Chinese..., but not Americans.

yeah, that would be cool..

but some civs truly have been around from ancient times into the modern era. China and Egypt for example.

 

[raven]

Originally posted by alireza1354


You must be Turkish, for only Turks would come up with such a stupid remark with a high propability that it has resulted from the sick Kemalist propaganda machine which has even made Hittites and Sumerians proto-Turkic civilizations.So I am not astonished about your bizarre ignorance.

There was the Median Empire, who were the direct ancestors of the modern Kurds, a great civilization when when there was no Turk on the face of the earth, there were the Kurdisch Shaddadi Empire in the Kaukasus in the 10th century AD and there was the Ayyubi Empire of Saladin the Great in the 12th century AD who has defeated the shi'ite Fatimids and saved sunni Islam from extinction, there was the Zend Dynasty who ruled over Iran in the 15th century, there was the republic of Mahabad in the 40's which didn't last very long and there is a de-facto independant Republic of Kurdistan in northern Iraq with its own state institutions and foreign relations although still awaiting international recognition.

You must stop dreaming.

The forming of an independant Kordestan is more propable then the surviving of the Kemalist (facist) state of Turkey.

1) I'm Turk, but I'm not nationalist; I'm an anarchist; BUT if you say "sick" and "fascist" for Kemalism, this shows that you don't know history of Turkey or you know the facts very well but you're a sick, poor, fascist Kurd.

2) Kemalism DON'T say that Hitits and Sumerians are proto-Turkish! Who told you this funny lie? The roots of Turks are not in Anatolia; it's in Middle Asia. Atatürk gave importance to research on these civilisations because we're living in Anatolia. That's all!

3) Meds are not ancestors of Kurds. If we have to make them ancestors of a civilisation, Persians are much much closer. (And you say I'm dreaming! Well, if you go on your dreams, probably you'll say Sumerians are "direct ancestors of Kurds"!) Besides the roots of Kurds is controversial.

Zend dynasty is a Persian dynasty ruled southern Persia between 1750-79. (according to Brittanica encyclopaedia)

Republic of Mahabad... How many months did it last? There was a Hatay (Antioch) Republic in 1938-39. This doesn't show that there is a Hatay civilisation. So,

4) having a country is not an exact measure of being a civilisation, but it's certain that if you have no country, you're not a civilisation. Maybe others you mention are Kurdish countries. And beyond this maybe Kurds are a civilisation. I'm just writing my thoughts. But you're attacking with lies! (Calling Kemalists as fascists is definetely not a "thought"!)

5) Beyond this, you're attacking Turkey ("The forming of an independant Kordestan is more propable then the surviving of the Kemalist (facist) state of Turkey.") which shows your intent. Yes, there is a so-called state in northern Iraq, formed by UNITED STATES OF AMERICA! You better think about this.

 

[raven]

Originally posted by BiatchGuy



yeah, that would be cool..

but some civs truly have been around from ancient times into the modern era. China and Egypt for example.

Then we put them in more than one era. (For example Chinese in all eras.)
By the way, Egyptians couldn't reach modern era. Today's Egyptian people are Arabs.

 

[Demetrias]

Originally posted by Switch625
Ethiopia's ancient name: Sheba. One of Sheba's rulers, Queen Makeda, got prime publicity in the bible. She co-stars with King Solomon in the "Song of Solomon." You can't buy THAT kind of PR.

dude you got it wrong she did not appear in song of solomon that was solomon's wife. While she is in the bible and he may have slept with her (rumor) she was not his wife and the woman in song of solomon was his wife.

 

[Cruicky]

Thiers one mistake alot of people are making here the game is called civilization not barbarians which rule out any scandnavians or the mongolians or the Celts the Spanish should defintly be in it as they were once the richest nation. Also it would be nice to see the Arabs as thier was once a massive Arab uprising in the middle-east(one of the reasons America was discoverd) even though they were never unified they did control the middle-east very effectivley. The Mayans should defintley not be on it as little is known about them. Also i don't think the iqronis should be it at all.

 

[JohnnyReb]

Um, other than Switch625 here, I think many of you (respectfully being said, not trying to be rude) are missing the point. This game is about BUILDING a civilization that can stand the test of time, not necessarily choosing one that ended up making the cut in the real world.

Personally, this is what I would like to see happen (AND, it would coincidentally balance out all of the linked culture groups to 4 each after the expansion pack adds 8):

ADD Africa: Egypt, Nubia, Mutapa, Ghana
European: Guals, Celts, Angles, Huns(?)
American: Mayan, Anasazi, Olmec, Inca
Asian: Japanese, Chinese, Mongolian, Indian
Middle East: Babylonians, Persians, Assyrians, Hittites
Mediterranean: Etruscians, Carthaginians, Phoenicians, Macedonians (or Spartans, Athenians, or just Greek ).

Wish I knew some ancient tribal/empire names for some of those..but anyhoo that's what I wish would happen. Know it won't though .

 

[Exile_Ian]

What would be really nice would be a genuine Custom civilisation option (in the game I mean - not the editor).

So as well as the standard civs to choose, there would be a CUSTOM one which would prompt for all the usual stuff like Leader name/sex/civ name etc. then would allow you to select a leader animation (from all those available in the standard game) and select 1 or 2 UU (from all those availabe in the game) - and allow you to change the name of your select UUs. It could also allow selection of a city name list (but that's maybe too complex?).

Wouldn't that answer most people's requirements for the less common civs, without relying on someone to create a custom civ?

I almost always change the name of the of my leader (if nothing else, this keeps my saved games separate) - and I often use an existing civ but change the name of it (e.g. Aztec to Mayan, Iroquis to Sioux or Apache) - but that's not really good enough.

 

[damunzy]

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