Which would be your choice to replace the F-15 as the American UU?

[thestonesfan]

Since no one has an Infantry UU, I used the PTW American WW2 Infantry and gave the Americans a G.I. I haven't settled on his stats though.

Maybe 12/10/1.

 

[Dr. Dr. Doktor]

A settler with two movement points and two in defense, cost forty shields.

 

[Tathlum]

Thestonesfan: why not a 'motorised Infantry' UU. Infantrywith a move of two. Didnt you guys have the first fully mechanised army. Theres a truck animin you could use as the move or go the whole hog and use the anim Wyrmshadow (I think) made of a squad in a truck.

My personal vote goes for Stealth Bomber or Stealth Fighter. Give everyone else an advanced fighter (better Stats) instead and have Americas truely Unique Unit as its UU.

 

[Goober]

You are missing a VITAL potential USA UU: Abrams tank, or the Bradley Armored personal Carrier. The M1A2 is arguably the priemiere fighting unit in the world, and looks the coolest. then again, I LOVE tanks, so I am slightly biased in that regard . . .

 

[Tathlum]

They Are Just Variations on a theme. Stealth is unique.

 

[Vietcong]

the seal is to unbalanced

if it was me i whold do something like the gi, flying fort (i voted on that one),

 

[Enkidu Warrior]

Originally posted by RealGoober
You are missing a VITAL potential USA UU: Abrams tank, or the Bradley Armored personal Carrier. The M1A2 is arguably the priemiere fighting unit in the world, and looks the coolest. then again, I LOVE tanks, so I am slightly biased in that regard . . .

While I can sympathise with your love of tanks, the Abrams and the Bradley couldn't be further from unique if they tried.

As much as gameplay makes it undesirable, I don't think you can avoid the fact that America's most prominent Golden Age military asset is its Air Force. The F-117A and B-2 (drool) are arguably better choices, and are more unique than the F-15, but they would come sooooooooooo late that they'd make F-15's look abundant.

I say just work with what we have. Make the F-15 (or all fighters for that matter) perform air superiority without having to set the order. This will improve their interception performance, and will allow them to bomb and intercept in the same turn.

 

[nihil8r]

Valley Girl - requires Electronics - 12/8/3 - 90 shields - immune to bombardment - treats mountains and hills as grassland

valley girl
she's a valley girl
valley girl
she's a valley girl

like oh my god
barf out!
what-ev-er

 

[qazxc]

None of the above choices.

However, I suggest the Naval Task Force: This force comprised of two carriers with four bombers and four fighters, two cruisers, two destroyers, and two subs, would act as a unit and it would be very expensive to build; perhaps a third or a half as much as a minor-wonder. Also, that is, should the designers feel benevolent, it could even carry six marines in transport.

Now, if you think it extravagant, just think whose UU this is...

qazxc

 

[Margim]

How about a unique wonder that guarantees a golden age on construction instead?
Cable Television
Broadcasts to all other nations, slowing productivity and making them far more susceptable to propoganda. Also decreases the chance of cultural flipping. Gathers 10% of a city's monetary incom in broadcasting rights from each foreign capital.

 

[Chauliodus]

If I may come into the discussion once more.... The "Komet" WAS a suicide machine, since as soon as the rocket engine went off, there was no way to restart it and the plane literally fell off from the sky. Have a look at the picture and you'll see that with out thrust there won't be any aerodynamic any more.

Thats funny since it was designed after gliders and ment to land, if you search around for pictures, I'll assure you you'll find some of them landing (mostly with skids).

It's purpose was similar to the one of the F-104 "Starfighter": Go there ASAP, fire --- and good luck for the return.
(Well, the Starfighter of course was primarily designed to bring a nuclear payload to the target and had some better chances for return, but the principle stays the same...

The use of Nuclear missles was messed around with with the F-104, but that remained the domain of the F-102 and F-106. I thinking your really inflating the blast of nucler weapons, or underplaying the range at which such weapons were meant to be enguaged at. By your thinking, the Enola Gay should have been a suiciide flight.

They Are Just Variations on a theme. Stealth is unique.

But America isn't the only nation using it, just the biggest (by far).

 

[Underseer]

Actually, the F-15 isn't a bad choice, it's only the implementation that's bad. The F-15 should have much better bombardment abilities, since that's mostly what we use those jet fighters for anyway.

But *my* proposal would be..... COWBOY !

This unit would come early enough, is really unique to the US and known all over the world. So, how could you imagine a better UU for the US?

First of all, the cowboy isn't unique to America, they originated in Argentina. Secondly, what we see depicted in novels and movies isn't an accurate portrayal of cowboys at all. Cowboys were agricultural laborers, quite a few of whom were native American (so much for cowboys and indians). What you see in those western movies aren't cowboys, they're "gunmen" and "outlaws."

Similarly, I disagree with the musketman-rifleman suggestion, as our musketmen and riflemen weren't particularly more effective than any other similar units from other countries of the same era.

I'm also not sure about the Tomahawk and Supercarrier. Let's be honest, a lot of people never build those units, although for accuracy's sake, Supercarrier would be my second choice.

I like the idea of a paratrooper with teeth, but that might be unbalancing, besides tough paratroopers are hardly unique to the U.S.

 

[Tathlum]

As much as gameplay makes it undesirable, I don't think you can avoid the fact that America's most prominent Golden Age military asset is its Air Force. The F-117A and B-2 (drool) are arguably better choices, and are more unique than the F-15, but they would come sooooooooooo late that they'd make F-15's look abundant.

I dont know, with a good tech rate game you could have the most advanced UU for a long time while the other chumps are learning "Future Tech 5". I give them only to America when I play amd though I dont play as America I'm begining to HATE those things.

 

[planetfall]

Where's none of the above?

The problem with America is 1)its UU power is air power and 2) this game de-emphasizes air power. The F15 is only valuable as defensive tool and thus is not liked by warmongers.

But what are the options?

Sea-- maybe monitor, but ironclads are already in the game. Carrier task force? Supersubs? Any of these could be defended, but sea power is even worst than air for this game. America would be weaker replacing F15 with any sea unit.

Land-- Mountain man, or Lewis_and_Clark explorer would work if came early enough. No special land units stand out from revolutionary war, to civil war, to WW1, to WWII. The primary power of America during WWII was mass of units not their quality. Guess you could argue for some cheap tank to reflect this.

Air-- P51's, P38's, B2's, ICBM's, B17's. Let's see: ICBM, already in game. B17 already as bomber. P51's would only be slightly stronger than spitfire fighters. P38's would be longer range fighters. B2's would be longer range heavier payload bombers. The new flak, mobile AA, and ship AA are all designed to decrease the effectiveness of the bomber type unit. Can't improve ICBM's as already global movement. Could either make a weaker atomic bomb or stronger H bomb, delivered by a bomber instead of ICBM, but would that help?

Best solution may be just to slightly increase off and def of F15. Yeah, I know it sucks, but what else is viable for this game play. Cheap tanks is the only other good alternative, but again they come late in game. Mountain man would be cool if came in late ancient or early MA, but might be unbalancing.

My $2.

== PF

 

[Bluemofia]

i was thinking of an air squadron, like an army that is considered an aircraft that can load aircraft in it, you know, with fighter support combined with the bombers?

 

[Justus II]

Originally posted by Underseer


Similarly, I disagree with the musketman-rifleman suggestion, as our musketmen and riflemen weren't particularly more effective than any other similar units from other countries of the same era.

I agree in general with your points. However, the reason I would argue for a 'Minuteman' unique unit was not so much that they were more effective. They were better at ambushing and unconventional tactics, but not as good at fixed battles until after several years of experience and some training. The unique part was the 'citizen-soldier' aspect, where they were volunteer, not part of a standing army, but able to grab their weapon and join their unit. That concept was foriegn to most of the major European powers at the time (Monarchs often don't like weapons in the hands of the people!). The citizen army (Nation at Arms of Napolean, etc) would later follow, which in my mind is what is meant by drafting riflemen, but the Americans were first, and did it with a volunteer force. So I still think an improved Rifleman, that is draftable, would be good. It would also trigger an Early Industrial GA (There is only one other Industrial Age UU, after all), which I think also models America's time of great expansion.

(Just my thoughts, I still think the Heavy Carrier is the truest Unique unit, but I also agree that implementing it in the game is worse than the F15).

 

[Ukraineboy]

Originally posted by Toaae
Of those listed, I'd say the SEALs.

But I think in CivIV they should give 2 or 3 UU.

America:

Minute Man
SEAL
F-15 (or something)

Rome:

Legionairre
(something else)
Modern Legionairre (what if Rome had made it to the modern age)


Byzantines:

Dromon
Cataphract (replaces knight)
(something else)

ect, ect, ect

*ahem*

Modern Day Rome is basically Italy, so you could use Italian stuff too y'know.

 

[Toaae]

Originally posted by Ukraineboy



*ahem*

Modern Day Rome is basically Italy, so you could use Italian stuff too y'know.

But it would be cooler if Rome had existed past 476AD. They would be much different then Italy ( Most likely, having more land)

 

[Ukraineboy]

Well... I guess... but.... whatever...

 

[Naval Power]

I personally would love to see a UH-1 Huey to symbolize air moblie attacks that America used during Vietnam. Many people wouldnt like this because of its inability to cause a GA. Im thinking increased range and payload.

Or how bout a Skycrane. I forget the exact designation but allow it to carry mechanized units like two or something. It has a huge carrying capacity and would just be great to airlift some Mechinized Infantry into battle.

Im sry all Im really getting obsessed with Helocopters.
If only Attack Helos could somehow be portrayed we could have a AH-1 HueyCobra to fly escort for the Hueys.