Which would be your choice to replace the F-15 as the American UU?

[Sinapus]

Originally posted by kb2tvl
I think that America produced quite a bit of weapons technology in the civil war and there are some weapons that came about during WW I that could be incorporated into a UU. The weapons that could be incorporated into a UU might be:

- Iron clad

Actually, the British had the first ironclad warship. However, the first battle between ironclad warships was during the American Civil War, and that changed naval warfare. So you can credit the Americans with proof of concept, I guess.

 

[Solinus]

I'd like to see multiple UU's in Civ4. The Supercarrier is definitely my pick. I'm also biased in favor of modern-era wars.

 

[Ville]

Of those 5 units, I'd choose Flying Fortress.

 

[Underseer]

Hmmm, maybe we're barking up the wrong tree entirely. How about a Richard Simmons UU or Pauly Shore UU that annoys the enemy to death?

Naw. If we do that, we'd have to give the English a Soccer Hooligan UU, which would clearly be an imbalancing, overpowered unit.

 

[Bluemofia]

i dont like the name "super carrier", maybe it should be called the nimiz class carrier or advanced carrier

 

[Xen]

Originally posted by Ukraineboy



*ahem*

Modern Day Rome is basically Italy, so you could use Italian stuff too y'know.

no, its not, it neve rhas been, and NEVER will be, save a collapse of christianity, and a vast return of Roman culture

 

[Commander Bello]

I mainly agree with Xen.

The self-acclaimed successor of the (west-)roman empire was the Holy Roman Empire (later: of German Nation). The successor of the east-roman empire was Byzantine, mainly located in the same region which is now either Greece or Turkey.
Regarding the city of Rome, it was during centuries ruled by the popes.
So, there are at least four potential other nations to be called the legitimate successor of the Roman Empire, next to today's Italy.

 

[Bluemofia]

the east roman empire was conqured by the ottoman turks.

 

[Commander Bello]

Originally posted by Bluemofia
the east roman empire was conqured by the ottoman turks.

Isn't that the reason for Turkey to cover some of the former Byzantines territory?

 

[Bluemofia]

yep

 

[Xen]

actually, there are really no nations that can claim to be the true successor to Rome any longer- the official imperial insignia of the eastern, and western empires were after Justinians reconquest, brought to constantinople, where at some point they were destroyed- this has the duel impac tof-

A)meaning that the ONLY legal successor of the Roman state (in other words, have a true claim beyond meaningless words) was that of the Byzantine empire

and

B)there are no true successor to the Roman state- unless you count the Nova Roma foundation, which would be trying, but its no where near a success- yet

 

[Toaae]

Originally posted by Xen


no, its not, it neve rhas been, and NEVER will be, save a collapse of christianity, and a vast return of Roman culture

The Roman empire WAS christian. Emperor Constine (or whatever)(who moved the capital to Byzantinium, and renamed it COnstantiople) had a dream that told him to paint crosses on his soldier's shields. Then he won the battle that made him emperor. He became chrisitian, and made the Roman Empire christian.

 

[Commander Bello]

Originally posted by Toaae


The Roman empire WAS christian. Emperor Constine (or whatever)(who moved the capital to Byzantinium, and renamed it COnstantiople) had a dream that told him to paint crosses on his soldier's shields. Then he won the battle that made him emperor. He became chrisitian, and made the Roman Empire christian.

The famous: In hoc signo vinces!

 

[Xen]

Originally posted by Toaae


The Roman empire WAS christian. Emperor Constine (or whatever)(who moved the capital to Byzantinium, and renamed it COnstantiople) had a dream that told him to paint crosses on his soldier's shields. Then he won the battle that made him emperor. He became chrisitian, and made the Roman Empire christian.

no, he didnt- he became a christian, but that dosent mean the empire was- hell polytheism wasnt even stamped out, even after constantine draconian laws putting christianity at every advantage (most important positions could from that poiunt on only be occupied by chrstians, more or less forceing every person of status to convert, weather they wanted to or not)- but it was well into the day sof the BYZANTINE empire that the ancient roman religion was finally so repressed that that it vanished from the main eye of religion (note that it survives to this day)

all that said, it is the ancient religion of ROme that helped make it unique- but I'm sure you think that it has no differnce from the ancient greek religion

 

[CIVPhilzilla]

I personally like the F-15. It is a lot stronger in C3C, but if it absolutely had to be changed, I guess I would choose minute men.

 

[Toaae]

Originally posted by Xen

all that said, it is the ancient religion of ROme that helped make it unique- but I'm sure you think that it has no differnce from the ancient greek religion

Actually, I'm the only person I know that argues that the Roman Relgion was not a copy of the greek one. I study Rome for fun.


The reason gladiator combats were no longer popular in rome was because of Christianity. The reason Attila didn't wipe out rome was becasue the Pope talked him out of it. ect, ect

 

[Xen]

no offence, but you need to do more studying...

A)gladiatorial combats were still extreamlly popular under christianity as a major religion in the empire, it took an imperial prolimation to stop it, and even then, the beast fights, which had the gladiators known as "beastiarii" fright animals continued for a long period afterward

B)its a story that the pope did this- i remind you that the Huns were not christians, and they had less reason to even mee the pope for negotistions then they would the Roman general Aetius himself!

 

[Chauliodus]

The reason gladiator combats were no longer popular in rome was because of Christianity. The reason Attila didn't wipe out rome was becasue the Pope talked him out of it. ect, ect

Xens right, it took Christian Rome over two centuries to outlaw the agmes.

The reason gladiator combats were no longer popular in rome was because of Christianity. The reason Attila didn't wipe out rome was becasue the Pope talked him out of it. ect, ect

Yes, although one more plasable theory he did this to save face since the mass destruction he did to north Itlay, coupled with a serve drought that he been effecting the peninsula for several years had prolly left his army very short on food.

Although the Catholics must love it, few take to notion that St.Peter really threatened Attlia at swordpoint as Pope Leo pleaded to him

 

[oregonduckman33]

Originally posted by Xen
none of the above- my choice would be the U.S army ranger- a modern era paratrooper who can do some REAL damage, and have a chance to be a valuble modern era unit

That's a good idea. Rangers are awesome. I even know someone who used to be a Ranger. Pretty cool.

I also like the Minute Man idea, and maybe the idea of having 2 UU's, but not 3, I think that'd be to much.

 

[zerksees]

What about an improved ironclad? Build one that is really hard to sink. Was it not Americans that build the first ironclads?

There are probably better choices but an early industrial GA would be better than the F15 GA.