While We Wait: Part 4

[sp1023]

Where can I find the off topic thread? Is it on Civ 3? I can't find it, unless you are referring to a forum in a thread.

 

[Abaddon]

As many times as I beg.. he doesnt go there for some reason.

 

[sp1023]

I don't understand what you mean. Are you implying it's location in a subliminal way?

 

[LittleBoots]

Its a forum towards the bottom of forum root page.

 

[Anonymous2U]

Allow me to descend from my usual lurking post. Most of this spam is preventable. Not every comment or question needs a response. Learn to let things go. By responding you only encourage more spam and flame posts. If need be, put that person on your ignore list. But most importantly stop responding and the offenders will most likely go away.

 

[Abaddon]

Click me to go to Off-Topic

 

[sp1023]

Anyone know what NES this was in?


Germany
Government: Federal Parliamentary republic
Dissent: 9% (controlled)
Infrastructure: 99%
Education: 92%
Country: 6 major, 5 minor
Global opinion: Neutral
Income: 170 + 19 + 18 - 9 = 198 points
Unkeep: Military 103 = 103 points
Life quality: Unknown
Military (5/4/5):
Army: 16 infantry regiments, 10 armored divisions, 8 artillery groups
Navy: 2 battleship groups, 2 submarine groups, 2 cruiser groups, 10 transport groups
Airforce: 8 jet fighter squadrons, 6 bomber squadrons
Organizations: UN, EU, NATO

Italy
Government: Parliamentary republic
Dissent: 6% (controlled)
Infrastructure: 91%
Education: 89%
Country: 4 major, 4 minor
Global opinion: Neutral
Income: 120 + 18 + 17 - 6 = 149 points
Unkeep: Military 72 = 72 points
Life quality: Unknown
Military (3/3/2):
Army: 12 infantry regiments, 4 armored divisions, 2 artillery groups
Navy: 4 battleship groups, 4 submarine groups, 8 cruiser groups, 12 transport groups
Airforce: 4 jet fighter squadrons, 2 bomber squadrons, 4 transport squadrons
Organizations: UN, EU, NATO

 

[Abaddon]

I'd guess your schoolmates Carmen?

Why are you asking since you must have just copied and pasted that from the thread?

Go to OT and spam there please.

 

[Symphony D.]

True Pacifism is suicidal if predominant, but True Pacifists can survive easily enough under the strong protection of any structure or ideology that is generally opposed to the taking of innocent/useful lives.

This is also a betrayal of True Pacifist ideals however, as to be effective protection those structures or ideologies must practice violence at some level, even if restrained. True Pacifism would not and could not tolerate any organization or group which practiced violence at all (it is an extremist ideology), and although it would have no means of forcing conversion, would probably try and talk people to death and otherwise not associate with them (think Vegans, who are the only things worse than True Pacifists).

Such entities practicing violence will again be generally pragmatists, and will have little to no reason to assist True Pacifists other than propaganda most of the time.

True Pacifism will inherently be alone, and will also be indefensible.

 

[das]

True Pacifism would not and could not tolerate any organization or group which practiced violence at all

I see what you mean, but there is an obvious lapse in logic here as they are basically going to tolerate a violent group killing them (they certainly wouldn't resist if they are True Pacifists) but not a violent group protecting them. Then again, I suppose that lapse is characteristic of True Pacifism, and they would complain about both just as much.

 

[Symphony D.]

I see what you mean, but there is an obvious lapse in logic here as they are basically going to tolerate a violent group killing them (they certainly wouldn't resist if they are True Pacifists) but not a violent group protecting them. Then again, I suppose that lapse is characteristic of True Pacifism, and they would complain about both just as much.

Precisely. They can't defend the actions of people who would protect them, or defend themselves against those who would harm them. They're utterly useless and hopeless unless they compromise their ideals, in which case they may as well compromise them fully and just be realists. Thus: suicide by another name.

They still only get my number two slot though. Damned Vegans trying to sabotage the integrity of the human organism... anybody who would rather become a cow than eat one is a traitor to the human race (excluding Hindus, since they eat other kinds of meat to compensate).

 

[Disenfrancised]

This is also a betrayal of True Pacifist ideals however, as to be effective protection those structures or ideologies must practice violence at some level, even if restrained. True Pacifism would not and could not tolerate any organization or group which practiced violence at all (it is an extremist ideology), and although it would have no means of forcing conversion, would probably try and talk people to death and otherwise not associate with them (think Vegans, who are the only things worse than True Pacifists).

Such entities practicing violence will again be generally pragmatists, and will have little to no reason to assist True Pacifists other than propaganda most of the time.

True Pacifism will inherently be alone, and will also be indefensible.

So moronic complete ideologs will be unable to hack it in the complex real world? I'm glad we managaed to arrive at this so unexpected conclusion .

 

[Symphony D.]

So moronic complete ideologs will be unable to hack it in the complex real world? I'm glad we managaed to arrive at this so unexpected conclusion .

However pacifism is unique in that it is a moronic ideology which is only worth following if in sum. Anything less is, as I said earlier, just limited pragmatism. So, by demonstrating that, one shows that pacifism as a concept regardless of the degree espoused is stupid. Killing people or injuring them generally being bad is covered under that pragmatism. Pacifism is thusly just an idiotic and totally superfluous (rather than merely unattainable) ideology and should be purged from human thought entirely.

In other news:

Medvedev did not even participate in presidential debates. However, other candidates did. They include Vladimir Zhironovsky, known as a firebrand ultranationlist rallying against foreigners; Gennady Zuganov, a Communist who preaches ideology most Russians have long since abandoned; and Andrei Bogdanov, who was relatively unknown until he mysteriously produced the 2 million signatures necessary for a presidential bid.

Unknown, mysterious... Bogdanov?

 

[das]

A quick check has shown that, though he is not Jewish, he is, as a matter of fact, a Mason. The conspiracy is on the move!

EDIT: And by the way, when I said he was a Mason, I meant he was the friggin' Grandmaster of the Russian Grand Lodge. That's not something you find every day.

 

[silver 2039]

Your candidates are quite intreasting. Why are our elections so boring? Damn Amerika.

 

[Azale]

Ours are not boring (not this year anyway), Russia's are just SO much more awesome that it's unfair to compare them.

Althought...Russia is not really having an "election" right now. Putin kinda decided that Medvedev would win by endorsing him, and when your approval is at 80% you can do that kinda thing I guess

 

[Symphony D.]

Am I the only person who notices the major faux pas of starting a trailer for Iron Man with Back in Black by AC/DC? I mean, it's a good song and all, but there's this other song, probably a bit more famous, by this little band called Black Sabbath, titled Iron Man. They used it at the end, but still.

Something is wrong with Hollywood. And I mean other than the fact they can't make new movies and keep providing Larry the Cable Guy with a job.

 

[das]

Ours are not boring (not this year anyway), Russia's are just SO much more awesome that it's unfair to compare them.

Althought...Russia is not really having an "election" right now. Putin kinda decided that Medvedev would win by endorsing him, and when your approval is at 80% you can do that kinda thing I guess

Sure he did. Suuure.

 

[Azale]

Sure he did. Suuure.

You telling me Putin did not endorse Medvedev? My sources inside the Kremlin are wrong?

 

[das]

It's not so much his endorsement as the fact that Medvedev is the candidate for United Russia. That's pretty much enough for most people, as all the other parties just aren't serious.