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Who has the best Unique Units?
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Minuteman
Minister of salty snacks
Yep, there's no question about it. Panzers & Samurai are the two best UU's in the game. In fact, the only cities I've ever lost to the AI in combat (non-culture flipping, of course) were to those units, especially the Panzers.
i think the hopolites are the best unit in the game as they almost ensure that u will not be killed at the start of the game and are great defenders(if pikemen do get that 10% then that makes them the best defenders, but still) untill muskets come along, the samuri are the next best and i love the russian cossacks also. they are quite good!
OneInTen
Darkness bound
Well, I couldn't find any mention of it in the manual where the units are listed, nor in the editor. So unless it's a hard coded thing, I don't think it exists.
Ironikinit
Prince
It's possible that the pikeman doesn't receive a bonus against mounted units. I think they do for the following reasons:
It says so in the civilopedia.
Samurai seem (slippery word) to perform better against pikemen than knights. I've played the Japanese a lot.
Such a bonus makes the existence of longbowmen make more sense. Longbow and knight have the same attack numbers, and would seem to be redundant. Since the pike is a common defender in that period, a bonus for the pike vs the knight helps explain the reasoning for including the longbow.
A couple things make me doubt that the pike has a bonus against mounted units:
No option for it in the editor.
I haven't noticed any rants about how pikemen kill too many knights or cavalry.
I wish there was a source for the straight dope on matters like these.
It says so in the civilopedia.
Samurai seem (slippery word) to perform better against pikemen than knights. I've played the Japanese a lot.
Such a bonus makes the existence of longbowmen make more sense. Longbow and knight have the same attack numbers, and would seem to be redundant. Since the pike is a common defender in that period, a bonus for the pike vs the knight helps explain the reasoning for including the longbow.
A couple things make me doubt that the pike has a bonus against mounted units:
No option for it in the editor.
I haven't noticed any rants about how pikemen kill too many knights or cavalry.
I wish there was a source for the straight dope on matters like these.
zombyman
Chieftain
I'm still new to the game but so far i've played as the Persians, Americans, Aztecs, and Japs
Persians--The Immortals rock, i was able to do tons of damage with them and totally kick-ass.
Americans--My game was on a tiny map with 80% water and unfortunately i never got to advanced flight. they don't 'seem' very good though
Aztecs--I rarely used War Chariots if at all. (didn't get horses til' late) They are the same as horseman but don't take as many shields to build....don't seem very good.
Japanese--I used the Samari often in this game, for offense and defense. Unfortuneately i was unadvanced at this stage in the game and they weren't a very good match for opponents with Rifleman and Cavalry.
I do have 1 question....you guys are talking about how your golden age sucks early....are you only allowed 1 golden age per game or can it happen more than once??
Zomby
Persians--The Immortals rock, i was able to do tons of damage with them and totally kick-ass.
Americans--My game was on a tiny map with 80% water and unfortunately i never got to advanced flight. they don't 'seem' very good though
Aztecs--I rarely used War Chariots if at all. (didn't get horses til' late) They are the same as horseman but don't take as many shields to build....don't seem very good.
Japanese--I used the Samari often in this game, for offense and defense. Unfortuneately i was unadvanced at this stage in the game and they weren't a very good match for opponents with Rifleman and Cavalry.
I do have 1 question....you guys are talking about how your golden age sucks early....are you only allowed 1 golden age per game or can it happen more than once??
Zomby
cephyn
Kubo
1) Aztecs have jaguar warriors, not War Chariots. That's Egyptians. If you used them as aztec, they were just regular chariots.
2) You can have more than one Golden Age. Many people on this board have had multiple (me, for one.)
Spunky Alven
Chieftain
I think that you should be abel to buy units of others civs (but for alot of money).
cephyn
Kubo
I think that's just silly. Should anyone be allowed to buy Samurai? No! Should just anyone be allowed to enlist Cossacks? Of course not! Whats the point of a UU if everyone has it? Then you're unique, just like everyone else....
Akka
Moody old mage.
I don't know which civ has the BEST UU, but I can already tell you which one has the WORST : France. These musketeers got a totally meaningless ATTACK point while they are used on defense only, and as they are a UU, you can't upgrade your pikemen or spearmen to them. So it means that you either have to rebuild your entire defense from scratch, either to wait until nationalism with only pikemen...
cephyn
Kubo
1000% sure. I've started/posted on multiple threads trying to dispel the notion that you can only have one.
The easiest and clearest way to do it is this:
1) win a battle with a UU, triggering a Golden Age.
then
2) in a different era (eras being ancient, medieval, industrial, modern) build a wonder corresponding to one of your civ's attributes, triggering a Golden Age.
The unknowns are this: is it possible to get a Golden Age some OTHER way? Exactly how far apart must they be, minimum? There are lots of people who have had 2 Golden Ages, but no one for certain has had 3. I've had 2 in many games now...at least 3 or 4 games.
I have to vote for the Chinese Rider. That 3 movement is just incredible for overrunning a civ. You can move 2 squares into enemy territory and still have a movement point left to attack the city. And moving from your town center to the front line is a piece of cake.
Ironikinit
Prince
I have yet to see more than one Golden Age in a game... and since I've had a lot of really early GA's, if I could have multiple, seems like I would've.
cephyn
Kubo
Well you can have multiple. Keep trying! It's pretty cool when you get that second one! I'll admit its harder to get the second one, but it IS possible.
Buecephalus
Bolo Mark XXV
my favorite UU is samurai, for all the reasons that have been mentioned above and the fact that the pikeman's defensive bonus doesn't affect them. By the way, the paragraph I found about that bonus is in the Prima Official Strategy Guide under units, specifically the pikeman entry. I would submit that spearmen have a similiar bonus against horsemen but that's just my opinion, based on my experience with the game. I've never played as the French, but man, have I torn through those musketeers! Whew! They suck bad! I'm also a huge fan of Riders and Mounted Warriors. Probably Mounted Warriors more so, because I tend to play quick "conquer" games and you can get them early and just roll over the A.I. I'm not gonna get into the whole multiple Golden Ages thing, except to say that I don't believe it exists. I've played way too many games and read far too many articles that say you only get one. 'Nuff said.
cephyn
Kubo
For multiple GA testimonials, i refer you to
http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=10931
EDIT: Try this one.
http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=10931
EDIT: Try this one.
Error 404. Arrrrr, we'll catch it yet matey. That Loch Ness is ours...no I don't give a shhh about Golden Ages, we've had ours.
Anyhow, I think people are getting Era Shifts confused w/ Golden Ages. They are two totally different subjects.
Anyhow I forgot to talk about the beloved Immortal. The best siege unit of the Ancient Era imo. Once again, due to the usefulness of the Immortal (as stated before can be effective until the Age of Calvary if stacked w/ Pikemen/Musketmen (these bastards are better than frigging longbowmen!!! This is an outrage!!
) Anyhow, that usefulness and the fact that they're dirt cheap compared to other medival units make them a nice UU. Still like the Legion more though, build them, stick'em in a city and feel confident knowing that the only way they're losing that city is if the citizens kill'em. LOL, if only culture was so strong we wouldn't need war. Just hold art competitions and poetry readings. If that doesn't work, build a mission on their border.Buecephalus
Bolo Mark XXV
For multiple U.F.O. sightings, I refer you to the deep south. For close encounters I refer you to Steven Spielberg.
I could start a thread that says Montezuma cussed at me, has anyone else had this happen? and I'd get corroboration. There's only one G.A. period.
I could start a thread that says Montezuma cussed at me, has anyone else had this happen? and I'd get corroboration. There's only one G.A. period.
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