Why defy resolutions?
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rabidveggie
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Defying a resolution kills it regardless of votes while voting no means if the majority vote yes your forced to accept it.
Monsterzuma
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When despite the fact that you voted No, the resolution passes because of a majority of Yes votes, the resolution... well... passes. When you defy, the resolution still fails, but you get massive (5) unhappiness malusses in all cities with the AP religion.
When getting a vote to end an offensive war that you're engaged in, not defying often means that the next vote returns a city that you captured to it's "rightful" owner. You can get stuck in an endless cycle of obtrusive votes and end up with as little land as you begun with. In such a case, defying is an option.
When getting a vote to end an offensive war that you're engaged in, not defying often means that the next vote returns a city that you captured to it's "rightful" owner. You can get stuck in an endless cycle of obtrusive votes and end up with as little land as you begun with. In such a case, defying is an option.
The Capo
godless Heathen
Cuz 
'em, that's why!
'em, that's why!
6K Man
Bureaucrat
If you only have the religion of the AP in one or 2 cities, or in very small cities, defiance may cost you next to nothing and it guarantees the vote won't pass.
deryni21
Chieftain
There are many times that I've encountered where the resolution has been far more detrimental then the problems with defying it, just weigh out your options.
I hate to return a city but sometimes I'll go along with the resolution, then when he moves in, do a DoW against him and retake it. then depending on the game speed you're playing on you get 15 turns (on epic) to try to wipe him out, after which there is usually no other rightful owner but you! or even if you have not wiped him out, you may now have enough votes to overturn future motions without having to defy. I think a key point with the AP is to do something naughty right after a vote has been taken, to take full advantage of the delay until another vote will be held.
Yeah, I'm totally joking which is why I posted this. Oh I am so funny. As the post says below, typically defying a resolution does not mean that the resolution is not binding. So I asked this question as there didn't seem to be any difference between defying a resolution and voting No.
Tarkhan
King
the way defying should work, is that you arent held to the outcome (if its to return a city to someone else's control, this would not happen - maybe the city riots or something?)
But in-game, yes, it is like a Veto.
But in-game, yes, it is like a Veto.
kochman
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Do you get the -5if you defy but it still wouldn't pass (others would say all "no")?
If you defy the AP you get -5
Yes and Yes
LegionSteve
Motörhead
Do you get the -5
No you don't. If the resolution would have failed anyway, your 'defy' vote is treated the same as a 'No' vote. You only get the
if enough people voted 'Yes' for the resolution to have passed.
JBConquests
Prince
Yeah, my favorite vote: "Give (this key border city) back to its rightful owner".
Sorry bro - I'm the rightful owner now!
The other day this vote came up and the city is owned by my enemy Gengis Kahn who is stronger than I, and the rightful owner happens to be a friendly AI (Tokogua sp?) whom is weaker. I voted yes and it was great fun to see the city switch back to Tokogua.
If you vote against Genghis on something like this, does that give you a diplo hit with him? could be painful fun if he DoWs you!
-FC-Commando
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I have noticed that if you have a vassal and you vote no youre vassal always defies the vote so you dont get the unhappiness.
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