Most programs now adays come with options ON. It's a pain, yes I do agree, but it's just the way it is. My first move after installing something is to look through the options to see what there is and what I want to turn off.
Why forcing people to install STEAM ?
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Most programs now adays come with options ON. It's a pain, yes I do agree, but it's just the way it is. My first move after installing something is to look through the options to see what there is and what I want to turn off.
Sure is.. thing is you don't have all your games linked to a microsoft account.. or atleast i hope you don't
Not to mention comparing a 3rd party digitaldistributer/DRM to an operating system is a fallacy.Sort of. I just think it's silly to complain about potentially-abusable EULAs when everything you ever agree to a EULA for is approximately as bad. I mean, yeah, technically it's a liability because the CEO of Valve could suffer a brain hemorrhage, go crazy, and issue a company mandate to delete everyone's games. But that's not very likely.
Microsoft could, in theory, revoke your right to use its legally-purchased software (Windows, assuming you are a Windows user) and pursue legal action against you if you continued to do it, for any reason or for no reason at all. But why would they do that?
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The major difference is each EULA is applicable to each different product. Where as steams is applicable to all your steam based games. Yes it may be silly to some.. but i've never been one to put all my eggs in one basket. Cause even though its a well made basket.. if it the unthinkable happens then no egg sandwiches for you.
We haven't owned software since the first release of windows back in the 90s, and even before that the license system was already established.
You don't own software, all you own really is the disk, and if that's all that you want then just download the game and burn it on DVD. As was said before, you can just copy games from your steamapp folder, so it is fairly easy to burn games to DVDs or backup hard-drives.
As for the EULA, most softwares reserve the right to cancel or suspend your account as they wish. Steam didn't invent it, and in fact this also was established since the 90s. People don't read EULAs and don't care about them so they are rarely contested. However generally when a company does something abusive (like applying the EULA in all the wrong situations) you hear about it in the press and it becomes a PR nightmare for them, so they usually behave.
The only accounts that have been banned that I heard of are pirate accounts. I don't pirate Steam games and never had any problems in the 7+ years I have been using the service, nor did the 60+ Steam friends I have.
You don't own software, all you own really is the disk, and if that's all that you want then just download the game and burn it on DVD. As was said before, you can just copy games from your steamapp folder, so it is fairly easy to burn games to DVDs or backup hard-drives.
As for the EULA, most softwares reserve the right to cancel or suspend your account as they wish. Steam didn't invent it, and in fact this also was established since the 90s. People don't read EULAs and don't care about them so they are rarely contested. However generally when a company does something abusive (like applying the EULA in all the wrong situations) you hear about it in the press and it becomes a PR nightmare for them, so they usually behave.
The only accounts that have been banned that I heard of are pirate accounts. I don't pirate Steam games and never had any problems in the 7+ years I have been using the service, nor did the 60+ Steam friends I have.
Your absolutely right. However what steam did invent is connecting ALL your games to an account you need access to in order to use said games. Outside of MMOs this is a pretty new concept. I'm not saying steam is terrible or people should use it.. simply listing the reasons i won't use it.
Well, let's say you are a Windows user, and Microsoft decides that you are no longer allowed to use Windows. You can no longer legally use any Windows-only programs you happen to own. Basically, what I'm saying is that anyone making this complaint about Steam should also be making it about any other platform that makes you agree to a EULA (which is all of them), even down to the OS level.
But people don't (usually) make that complaint about Windows because they realize how absurd a scenario it is. It's nearly as absurd for Steam. Maybe slightly less so.
Yes but i don't need microsofts permission to run my disc based OS'S. Yes although if they deemed it illegal it would raise some interesting legal questions.. i could still do so without input from microsoft. Of course there are those versions of windows that REQUIRE internet activation... which i refuse to buy for the same reason
Anyway I didn't mean to start a debate.. was simply listing my reasons for not using it. Some people may agree others may think its silly either way its my personal opinions.
The situation is Fista, it's the way gaming is evolving. I have to admit some 15 years ago I felt that if I couldn't have the gaming disks in my hand I wasn't going to play the game. I guess I just realized earlier than some people here on the forums that hard copies and digital rights was changing rapidly. Maybe also moving away from FPS and more into online MMOs pushed me to realize there was no need for hard copies anymore. It's actually a relief not to have all those discs laying around taking up space.
God I remember how many 3 1/2 size floppies there were for the last King's Quest game I bought from Sierra was. There had to have been like 12 or 15 of them to just install the game
Technically you do. They just can't enforce it.
It's the same with any software you buy the disc for. You're really getting the disc for free with your purchase; what you're purchasing is the right to use the software, and under any EULA I've ever seen, they reserve the power to arbitrarily revoke that right. They just never do, because it wouldn't make any sense.
Exactly. For general usage purposes i own them. Legally its a different matter.. i hope you can see what i'm saying.
The situation is Fista, it's the way gaming is evolving. I have to admit some 15 years ago I felt that if I couldn't have the gaming disks in my hand I wasn't going to play the game. I guess I just realized earlier than some people here on the forums that hard copies and digital rights was changing rapidly. Maybe also moving away from FPS and more into online MMOs pushed me to realize there was no need for hard copies anymore. It's actually a relief not to have all those discs laying around taking up space.
God I remember how many 3 1/2 size floppies there were for the last King's Quest game I bought from Sierra was. There had to have been like 12 or 15 of them to just install the game
Lol ya its not digital distribution i have an issue with.. simply steams system. I buy alot of games off of D2D. Good news is i don't have to run a special D2D app to access my games and they let me make disc copies of the games in the unfortunate event they went under. Also off line keys to activate my games if the need ever came up. Again people seem to confuse steam with digital distribution. One is the other but they are not the same
If steam supplied the same things then i would happily convert.Becephalus
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90% of the bad press about steam comes from pissed off pirates. Period. It is an excellent platform and it and other things like it are the only thing keeping the PC games industry viable. You do all like PC games don't you?
Lol ya its not digital distribution i have an issue with.. simply steams system. I buy alot of games off of D2D. Good news is i don't have to run a special D2D app to access my games and they let me make disc copies of the games in the unfortunate event they went under. Also off line keys to activate my games if the need ever came up. Again people seem to confuse steam with digital distribution. One is the other but they are not the same
I've read someplace that Steam does allow for you to make disc copies of your games. And we do know that you can run offline from Steam once you've registered. Yah I know they are not the same, I guess......sigh, since I've known Valve from way back in my Half Life days and was there when they first released Steam I've always had it, and it just seemed like a slick program from the beginning.
I just think if people could get over the privacy, secondary program running issue, they wouldn't have any problems with it.
Same here, not even interested in buying it....I don't sponsor fascist-ware. And after reading the comments of all the let down people I don't regret it.
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Seconded. When I first joined Steam years ago, I didn't yet have my big internal game drive so I accepted the default install. Now I want all of my games on H: away from my OS drive.
Steam mover was so simple to download and use. It was amazing. And it will also move other games that you didn't get through Steam - meaning my nice tidy game folder on H: is now one happy directory
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You know, I've probably been as critical of the Steam requirement as anyone, but I think that's a lot of hyperbole. Steam may be intrusive and annoying for some of us, but I wouldn't call it "fascist-ware".
I make do just fine with it running in spite of my dislike.
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