Why is Korea not in Civ 5?

[lishiping84]

even china and japan can not conquer them, how great nation they are.

 

[Dale]

even china and japan can not conquer them, how great nation they are.

China and Japan haven't conquered Sealand either. This is pure WIN and should propel both nations to instant admittance into the Civ list for Civ5 vanilla.

 

[MatrixTheKitty]

The problem with India is that it's a bit of an anamoly. I do agree that lumping it as Middle Eastern does no justice to its unique culture, but in my opinion India has had more closer interaction with the Middle East than with East Asia, so that's why I (reluctantly) consider it to be Middle Eastern, but only for game flavor purposes, really.

If we have to lump India with other civs, why not with europe? There's a reason our languages are called Indo-European.

Of course, this would also call for the lumping of Persia with us instead of the middle east.

 

[tifa9292]

yeah i dont think korea conquered america or arabia just impossible
maybe china japan and india but i doubt any of the other ones

 

[bjbrains]

Being included in Civilization isn't a "historical accomplishment" contest, nor is it a "top X civs of all time". It's just a selection, chosen by the developers, in order to flesh out and balance the game in terms of leader selection, especially with the increased uniqueness of leaders.

 

[toft]

At least include an option for: NO! Not at all!

and why not? give a good reason why

All the your option implies that I am disappointed that Korea is not in Civ5. This is just like all the other threads demanding x civilization to be included, or asking why is my civ not included. This thread was less annoying, but still the options all point towards one opinion - your own. A poll should have an objective representation of options from the entire spectrum of possible answers.

Perhaps something like this:

5 - Very disappointed.
4
3 - Indifferent.
2
1 - Not disappointed at all.

 

[tifa9292]

well there's a no button for people who dont like korea

 

[pi-r8]

That's quite a pity, since Korea has it's own admirable history and achievements, even without the being-the-father-and-mother-of-all-civilizations-on-earth thing.

Also, the Korean claim to having more history than China is simply chauvinistic pseudo-history. In Vietnam, we also claim that we are 3000+ years old (i.e. at least as old as China) - but we only did it so that we could say that we were as old and prestigious as the Chinese; and, even though I can be a proud Viet sometimes, I have to say that those claims are ridiculous.

i don't understand how you can even put a number on "how long is your history?" I mean, I'm sure people were living in that area 5000 years ago, maybe even 10,000. So you could count that. But if you want to know "how long has there been one country with a central government" then... a much shorter time lol.

 

[lishiping84]

China and Japan haven't conquered Sealand either. This is pure WIN and should propel both nations to instant admittance into the Civ list for Civ5 vanilla.

actually, one important reason for the survive of korea is just based on geopolitics. they are between china and japan. both of two giants want to take the fully control of korea, either can they. until 1896, china was utterly beaten by japan and sooner later it became the colony of japan.

i don't care whether korea is in Civ5 vanilla.if Korea is in Civ5, i only hope they can using their own UB and UU instead of using chinese, although i dont know what they should be.

Hwacha and Seowon are both from china actually

 

[Dale]

well there's a no button for people who dont like korea

There's no option for "No, and I don't want them in an expansion."

 

[Thormodr]

actually, one important reason for the survive of korea is just based on geopolitics. they are between china and japan. both of two giants want to take the fully control of korea, either can they. until 1896, china was utterly beaten by japan and sooner later it became the colony of japan.

Korea was firmly China's vassal for hundreds of years.

In fact, one of the first things Japan did after defeating China in 1894-1895 was to release Korea from vassalage to China.

This insulated Korea from all foreign contact for hundreds of years and hence the name "Hermit Kingdom". It did afford it some protection but in the end this lead to disastrous consequences for Korea.

 

[lishiping84]

Korea was firmly China's vassal for hundreds of years.

In fact, one of the first things Japan did after defeating China in 1894-1895 was to release Korea from vassalage to China.

This insulated Korea from all foreign contact for hundreds of years and hence the name "Hermit Kingdom". It did afford it some protection but in the end this lead to disastrous consequences for Korea.

if there is no japan. korea will be annexed by china.

the relationship of there countries is a bit complex. although Korea is the vassle of china, japan still have huge influence on it. for example, before the first china-japan war. Qing dynasty and Japan could not increase their troops in korea without permission from each other.

 

[Thormodr]

if there is no japan. korea will be annexed by china.

the relationship of there countries is a bit complex. although Korea is the vassle of china, japan still have huge influence on it. for example, before the first china-japan war. Qing dynasty and Japan could not increase their troops in korea without permission from each other.

China chose to vassalize Korea instead of annexing them and did for hundreds of years. This was sufficient enough to protect Korea from outside threats including the Japanese invasions in the 1590s.

Japan didn't have any influence over Korea until the 1870s when China was starting to fall into disarray and Japan was on the upswing after they ended their isolation. Well forced to really by some gunboat diplomacy by the USA.

Moral of the story is: Isolation is bad.