Wikipedia as a Source

aimeeandbeatles

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OK in the rants thread I was frustrated because of inaccuracies in an article and in a press release. And then I mention that its pretty sad when a professional encyclopedia has mistakes about a .... certain subject and Wikipedias more accurate yet some teachers write off Wikipedia as an "inaccurate source."

What my history teacher in grade 12 said, is that Wikipedia is a good starting place for a research.

Any other opinions.
 
Wiki is much like any encyclopedia in this regard. Both can be used to develop a general appareciation regarding a particular topic, but neither are really credible or comprehensive enough to be used as a definitive source. Instead, you should follow the footnotes and use those sources as a starting point for further research.
 
It's ok as a source when your research is general and not very serious. Probably better than most random stuff you find on the Internet, so it should be good enough for any high school project. But the students should learn to use more traditional sources as well.
 
Well the silly thing is, that the article and press release I mentioned, most teachers would accept as a source despite the mistakes in them. Theyre not even minor mistakes but huge glaring ones that every other source has said otherwise. I cant bring it up here though or I might get in troubble.
 
It's ok as a source when your research is general and not very serious. Probably better than most random stuff you find on the Internet, so it should be good enough for any high school project. But the students should learn to use more traditional sources as well.
When I attended school, the encyclopedia stopped being considered a primary source for schoolwork at about the 7th grade.
 
It's a good starting place and you can also use wiki's footnotes to find "acceptable sources". You should use multiple sources whenever possible, and when one has obvious flaws you should either point them out with references to more reliable sources or dismiss it completely.
 
1) look things up on wikipedia
2) click cite links on interesting or questionable remarks
3) read original articles

that's how I use wiki
 
Wiki is much like any encyclopedia in this regard. Both can be used to develop a general appareciation regarding a particular topic, but neither are really credible or comprehensive enough to be used as a definitive source. Instead, you should follow the footnotes and use those sources as a starting point for further research.

I allow, even encourage, my students to use Wikipedia as a source. The articles are decently well written and go into a level of detail, at least in social science fields, that really help them get an overall understanding for a topic. Unlike encyclopedias, they're written specifically to satisfy the curiosity of what readers are mostly looking to find out.

But that said, they aren't allowed to cite Wikipedia as a source in research papers. For all its advantages, Wikipedia can't be considered authoritative because it's not peer-reviewed to the standards accepted by academia. That doesn't mean it's wrong; just that it's not reviewed. The analyses that many articles feature are not up to academic rigor. Quack theories, like bogus "no lawyers/esquires" US Constitutional "Lost" amendment, get equal play where a good peer reviewed work would hardly waste anyone's time with it.

The justifications of Wikipedia focus mostly on its factual accuracy, but a good encyclopedia has more that just factual accuracy. It should also provide exhaustive context and comprehensive analysis of the data it presents. Wikipedia doesn't, or at least doesn't do so consistently.
 
Like Mise said, use it for maybe a little personal introductory into the subject. But the links at the bottom can give you usuable sources and those sources can give you other sources (esp for scientific journals) and so on.
 
1) look things up on wikipedia
2) click cite links on interesting or questionable remarks
3) read original articles

that's how I use wiki
Seconded. Wiki may be a poor source, but it can be a decent enough source-source.
 
The thing that also frustrates me is they always say to Make sure a website is proper. Yet they say nothing about print source and Ive seen inaccuracies in articles, even in big magazines. I could even possibly bring up a list but I might get in trouble if I do that. Maybe if a moderator clears it I could.
 
The thing that also frustrates me is they always say to Make sure a website is proper. Yet they say nothing about print source and Ive seen inaccuracies in articles, even in big magazines. I could even possibly bring up a list but I might get in trouble if I do that. Maybe if a moderator clears it I could.
Well, part of the thing is, internet is new media.

Rule #1 of Media: New media is SCARY.

I kid you not, this is something that we learned verbatim in our COM 121 class. Print media is old. And when I say "old", I mean old. This means that it's treated with a lot more scrutiny than other things. People mistrust it more, especially older people.

The next part of the thing is, the business model of the internet doesn't care about accuracy. Nobody holds hosting companies accountable for the content of their websites, because hosting companies don't do that. They provide space. So, ultimately, it's the people who make the websites who have to be held accountable. And there's enough people out there using free websites that it doesn't matter how accurate their sites are. They're not paying any money, so it's a win-win situation regardless.

The third part of the issue is that the internet is anonymous. Print sources always have a paper trail behind them, and you can track down the authors of an article. Websites? Not always. And those same people who provide approval or disapproval to websites (the only quality control mechanism out there) are unknown peers.

In short, there's a general lack of reliable guarantee on websites, which is why they're considered beneath print sources. Print sources aren't 100% reliable, but they'll be trusted over websites.

The problem being, of course, that teachers don't generally care about fact-checking, because they have such a workload. It's more that they want to see you do research.
 
Yeah... I mean theres common mistakes which Ive seen in multiple articles (e.g. one of them was the exact time an event happened. Most are at least a few months off, but I got the exact date. The worst Ive seen was 2 years off!). Which you can deal with.

And then there are HUGE GLARING MISTAKES. Which are the painful ones.
 
What mistakes and what magazines do you mean ? Can you give examples ? Cause I get the feeling you're not exactly talking about professional journals...
 
What mistakes and what magazines do you mean ? Can you give examples ? Cause I get the feeling you're not exactly talking about professional journals...

I might get into troubble if I mention what they are.
 
She means the magazines in which her avatar would feature in.
 
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