Tachii
Procrastinator
I saw it build once as I was going for culture victory (all other games I was ahead in tech so I always build it first). But they probably don't prioritize it that much like Forbidden Palace or GL.
Wonder Elimination Thread
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I saw it build once as I was going for culture victory (all other games I was ahead in tech so I always build it first). But they probably don't prioritize it that much like Forbidden Palace or GL.
OmniPotent42
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Big Ben 19
Chichen Itza 25
Eiffel Tower 17
Great Library 14
Hanging Gardens 31
Hubble 20
Leaning Tower of Pisa 20
Louvre 29
Machu Picchu 26
Neuschwanstein Castle 15
Notre Dame 30
Oracle 34
Petra 28
Porcelain Tower 27
Sistine Chapel 10
Statue of Liberty 29
The Oracle is a really flexible wonder, and is one of 2 wonders in the classical/ancient eras that grant scientist points. Plus it's not prioritized by the AI, making it a bit easier to get on immortal+.
Sistine Chapel? If you are going for culture victory, it doesn't make sense to have a culture-boosting wonder give a modifier for every city, considering the fact that you will only have 1-3 cities if you're smart about it. Would be more useful as a wonder for an ICS along with Ankor Wat.
Chichen Itza 25
Eiffel Tower 17
Great Library 14
Hanging Gardens 31
Hubble 20
Leaning Tower of Pisa 20
Louvre 29
Machu Picchu 26
Neuschwanstein Castle 15
Notre Dame 30
Oracle 34
Petra 28
Porcelain Tower 27
Sistine Chapel 10
Statue of Liberty 29
The Oracle is a really flexible wonder, and is one of 2 wonders in the classical/ancient eras that grant scientist points. Plus it's not prioritized by the AI, making it a bit easier to get on immortal+.
Sistine Chapel? If you are going for culture victory, it doesn't make sense to have a culture-boosting wonder give a modifier for every city, considering the fact that you will only have 1-3 cities if you're smart about it. Would be more useful as a wonder for an ICS along with Ankor Wat.
Crafty Bison
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Big Ben 19
Chichen Itza 25
Eiffel Tower 17
Great Library 11
Hanging Gardens 31
Hubble 20
Leaning Tower of Pisa 21
Louvre 29
Machu Picchu 26
Neuschwanstein Castle 15
Notre Dame 30
Oracle 34
Petra 28
Porcelain Tower 27
Sistine Chapel 10
Statue of Liberty 29
GL - Can't remember the last time I ever got this (or even tried for it) on the difficulty level I play. Probably pre G&K. Can't really rate it if I can never get it.
LToP - Go for this one (and usually get it) pretty much every single game. With the free GE, the rest is basically free, only you put in the hammers for the next one when there's a slight lull in the game. Win.
Chichen Itza 25
Eiffel Tower 17
Great Library 11
Hanging Gardens 31
Hubble 20
Leaning Tower of Pisa 21
Louvre 29
Machu Picchu 26
Neuschwanstein Castle 15
Notre Dame 30
Oracle 34
Petra 28
Porcelain Tower 27
Sistine Chapel 10
Statue of Liberty 29
GL - Can't remember the last time I ever got this (or even tried for it) on the difficulty level I play. Probably pre G&K. Can't really rate it if I can never get it.
LToP - Go for this one (and usually get it) pretty much every single game. With the free GE, the rest is basically free, only you put in the hammers for the next one when there's a slight lull in the game. Win.
knighterrant81
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Big Ben 19
Chichen Itza 26 (+1)
Eiffel Tower 17
Great Library 11
Hanging Gardens 31
Hubble 20
Leaning Tower of Pisa 21
Louvre 29
Machu Picchu 26
Neuschwanstein Castle 15
Notre Dame 30
Oracle 34
Petra 28
Porcelain Tower 27
Sistine Chapel 10
Statue of Liberty 26 (-3)
The Itza has more general use now that Great Artists can give golden ages and golden ages give culture. Chichen Itza: not just for showing off as Darius anymore! Do I get bonus points for building the Chichen Itza in the city of Chichen Itza?
Honestly, the rest of the list are all wonders that fit into the "nice, but I can live without" category. Most wonders are really like that now, which is a pretty awesome place to be, balance wise. They can be a nice boost, but you can get by without them too.
Voting down the Statue of Liberty because it is nice, but overrated! Specialist bonuses just don't seem as powerful as they were in Civ4.
Chichen Itza 26 (+1)
Eiffel Tower 17
Great Library 11
Hanging Gardens 31
Hubble 20
Leaning Tower of Pisa 21
Louvre 29
Machu Picchu 26
Neuschwanstein Castle 15
Notre Dame 30
Oracle 34
Petra 28
Porcelain Tower 27
Sistine Chapel 10
Statue of Liberty 26 (-3)
The Itza has more general use now that Great Artists can give golden ages and golden ages give culture. Chichen Itza: not just for showing off as Darius anymore! Do I get bonus points for building the Chichen Itza in the city of Chichen Itza?
Honestly, the rest of the list are all wonders that fit into the "nice, but I can live without" category. Most wonders are really like that now, which is a pretty awesome place to be, balance wise. They can be a nice boost, but you can get by without them too.
Voting down the Statue of Liberty because it is nice, but overrated! Specialist bonuses just don't seem as powerful as they were in Civ4.
PlasticSoldier
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Alhambra 15
Big Ben 19
Chichen Itza 26
Eiffel Tower 17
Great Library 8
Hanging Gardens 31
Hubble 20
Leaning Tower of Pisa 22
Louvre 29
Machu Picchu 26
Neuschwanstein Castle 15
Notre Dame 30
Oracle 34
Petra 28
Porcelain Tower 27
Sistine Chapel 7
Statue of Liberty 20 nefloyd's downvote on post 515 took it to 23, but somehow managed to get to 29 in the next vote. Counting the above post, it takes Statue of Liberty to 20.
Leaning Tower of Pisa's free great person is incredibly useful as I said before. Can never get Great Library, so I can't rate it if I can't get it.
Big Ben 19
Chichen Itza 26
Eiffel Tower 17
Great Library 8
Hanging Gardens 31
Hubble 20
Leaning Tower of Pisa 22
Louvre 29
Machu Picchu 26
Neuschwanstein Castle 15
Notre Dame 30
Oracle 34
Petra 28
Porcelain Tower 27
Sistine Chapel 7
Statue of Liberty 20 nefloyd's downvote on post 515 took it to 23, but somehow managed to get to 29 in the next vote. Counting the above post, it takes Statue of Liberty to 20.
Leaning Tower of Pisa's free great person is incredibly useful as I said before. Can never get Great Library, so I can't rate it if I can't get it.
Alhambra 15
Big Ben 19
Chichen Itza 26
Eiffel Tower 17
Great Library 8
Hanging Gardens 28
Hubble 20
Leaning Tower of Pisa 23
Louvre 29
Machu Picchu 26
Neuschwanstein Castle 15
Notre Dame 30
Oracle 34
Petra 28
Porcelain Tower 27
Sistine Chapel 10
Statue of Liberty 20
The Leaning Tower is great for farming GP's. I have yet to have played a game where I haven't built it.
Again I have my reasons to hate the HG that I have listed before.
(Since PlasticSoldier listed reasoning for downvoting GL and not for SC I didn't count the SC downvote.)
Big Ben 19
Chichen Itza 26
Eiffel Tower 17
Great Library 8
Hanging Gardens 28
Hubble 20
Leaning Tower of Pisa 23
Louvre 29
Machu Picchu 26
Neuschwanstein Castle 15
Notre Dame 30
Oracle 34
Petra 28
Porcelain Tower 27
Sistine Chapel 10
Statue of Liberty 20
The Leaning Tower is great for farming GP's. I have yet to have played a game where I haven't built it.
Again I have my reasons to hate the HG that I have listed before.
(Since PlasticSoldier listed reasoning for downvoting GL and not for SC I didn't count the SC downvote.)
Alhambra 15
Big Ben 19
Chichen Itza 26
Eiffel Tower 17
Great Library 8
Hanging Gardens 28
Hubble 20
Leaning Tower of Pisa 23
Louvre 29
Machu Picchu 26
Neuschwanstein Castle 16
Notre Dame 30
Oracle 31
Petra 28
Porcelain Tower 27
Sistine Chapel 10
Statue of Liberty 20
Neuschwanstein makes Castles an absolutely fantastic building, while the Oracle just gives the equivelent of a couple hundred culture at most as a one time bonus, with five cities Neuschwanstein beats that in about 10-20 turns
Big Ben 19
Chichen Itza 26
Eiffel Tower 17
Great Library 8
Hanging Gardens 28
Hubble 20
Leaning Tower of Pisa 23
Louvre 29
Machu Picchu 26
Neuschwanstein Castle 16
Notre Dame 30
Oracle 31
Petra 28
Porcelain Tower 27
Sistine Chapel 10
Statue of Liberty 20
Neuschwanstein makes Castles an absolutely fantastic building, while the Oracle just gives the equivelent of a couple hundred culture at most as a one time bonus, with five cities Neuschwanstein beats that in about 10-20 turns
Alhambra 15
Big Ben 19
Chichen Itza 26
Eiffel Tower 17
Great Library 8
Hanging Gardens 28
Hubble 20
Leaning Tower of Pisa 23
Louvre 29
Machu Picchu 26
Neuschwanstein Castle 16
Notre Dame 30
Oracle 31
Petra 29
Porcelain Tower 27
Sistine Chapel 10
Statue of Liberty 18
Love Petra. A great way to make a horrible desert spot powerful. Gotta love those river desert hills!
SofL is ok, but sometimes I just don't have the specialist numbers to make this wonder worth my while.
Big Ben 19
Chichen Itza 26
Eiffel Tower 17
Great Library 8
Hanging Gardens 28
Hubble 20
Leaning Tower of Pisa 23
Louvre 29
Machu Picchu 26
Neuschwanstein Castle 16
Notre Dame 30
Oracle 31
Petra 29
Porcelain Tower 27
Sistine Chapel 10
Statue of Liberty 18
Love Petra. A great way to make a horrible desert spot powerful. Gotta love those river desert hills!
SofL is ok, but sometimes I just don't have the specialist numbers to make this wonder worth my while.
Alhambra 15
Big Ben 19
Chichen Itza 26
Eiffel Tower 17
Great Library 8
Hanging Gardens 28
Hubble 20
Leaning Tower of Pisa 23
Louvre 29
Machu Picchu 26
Neuschwanstein Castle 16
Notre Dame 30
Oracle 31
Petra 29
Porcelain Tower 24
Sistine Chapel 10
Statue of Liberty 18
The castle because it gives worth to buildings that can otherwise be ignored often.
Downed the PT because the RA bug (where you get 1 or 0 beakers) has hit me a few times and I therefore don't trust the PT much.
Big Ben 19
Chichen Itza 26
Eiffel Tower 17
Great Library 8
Hanging Gardens 28
Hubble 20
Leaning Tower of Pisa 23
Louvre 29
Machu Picchu 26
Neuschwanstein Castle 16
Notre Dame 30
Oracle 31
Petra 29
Porcelain Tower 24
Sistine Chapel 10
Statue of Liberty 18
The castle because it gives worth to buildings that can otherwise be ignored often.
Downed the PT because the RA bug (where you get 1 or 0 beakers) has hit me a few times and I therefore don't trust the PT much.
Wolvenheart
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Alhambra 15
Big Ben 19
Chichen Itza 26
Eiffel Tower 17
Great Library 8
Hanging Gardens 28
Hubble 20
Leaning Tower of Pisa 23
Louvre 29
Machu Picchu 26
Neuschwanstein Castle 18 (includes correction, if I got it right)
Notre Dame 30
Oracle 31
Petra 29
Porcelain Tower 24
Sistine Chapel 10
Statue of Liberty 18
Still loving N Castle for the reasons I said before; such a flexible wonder that provides substantial benefit on maintenance-free buildings that are very quick to build at that point.
SofL is way overrated in my opinion. 1200 hammers for a production bonus that isn't going to make up 1200 hammers any time soon unless I've got a ton of cities that can afford to have a ton of specialists, at which point I've probably already won the game.
Big Ben 19
Chichen Itza 26
Eiffel Tower 17
Great Library 8
Hanging Gardens 28
Hubble 20
Leaning Tower of Pisa 23
Louvre 29
Machu Picchu 26
Neuschwanstein Castle 18 (includes correction, if I got it right)
Notre Dame 30
Oracle 31
Petra 29
Porcelain Tower 24
Sistine Chapel 10
Statue of Liberty 18
Still loving N Castle for the reasons I said before; such a flexible wonder that provides substantial benefit on maintenance-free buildings that are very quick to build at that point.
SofL is way overrated in my opinion. 1200 hammers for a production bonus that isn't going to make up 1200 hammers any time soon unless I've got a ton of cities that can afford to have a ton of specialists, at which point I've probably already won the game.
Alhambra 15
Big Ben 19
Chichen Itza 26
Eiffel Tower 17
Great Library 8
Hanging Gardens 28
Hubble 20
Leaning Tower of Pisa 23
Louvre 29
Machu Picchu 26
Neuschwanstein Castle 18
Notre Dame 30
Oracle 31
Petra 29
Porcelain Tower 24
Sistine Chapel 10
Statue of Liberty 15
Not voting, just fixing ammount for SoL
Big Ben 19
Chichen Itza 26
Eiffel Tower 17
Great Library 8
Hanging Gardens 28
Hubble 20
Leaning Tower of Pisa 23
Louvre 29
Machu Picchu 26
Neuschwanstein Castle 18
Notre Dame 30
Oracle 31
Petra 29
Porcelain Tower 24
Sistine Chapel 10
Statue of Liberty 15
Not voting, just fixing ammount for SoL
OmniPotent42
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Alhambra 15
Big Ben 19
Chichen Itza 26
Eiffel Tower 17
Great Library 8
Hanging Gardens 28
Hubble 20
Leaning Tower of Pisa 23
Louvre 29
Machu Picchu 26
Neuschwanstein Castle 18
Notre Dame 30
Oracle 31
Petra 29
Porcelain Tower 24
Sistine Chapel 9
Statue of Liberty 15
Sorry, I didn't know we were subtracting 3 off. Made corrections.
Big Ben 19
Chichen Itza 26
Eiffel Tower 17
Great Library 8
Hanging Gardens 28
Hubble 20
Leaning Tower of Pisa 23
Louvre 29
Machu Picchu 26
Neuschwanstein Castle 18
Notre Dame 30
Oracle 31
Petra 29
Porcelain Tower 24
Sistine Chapel 9
Statue of Liberty 15
Sorry, I didn't know we were subtracting 3 off. Made corrections.
Alhambra 12
Big Ben 19
Chichen Itza 26
Eiffel Tower 17
Great Library 8
Hanging Gardens 28
Hubble 20
Leaning Tower of Pisa 23
Louvre 29
Machu Picchu 26
Neuschwanstein Castle 18
Notre Dame 30
Oracle 31
Petra 30
Porcelain Tower 24
Sistine Chapel 9
Statue of Liberty 15
Petra: incites me to adventurous game play
Alhambra: I'll get Chivalry when I have to and at that point Alhambra is long gone.
Big Ben 19
Chichen Itza 26
Eiffel Tower 17
Great Library 8
Hanging Gardens 28
Hubble 20
Leaning Tower of Pisa 23
Louvre 29
Machu Picchu 26
Neuschwanstein Castle 18
Notre Dame 30
Oracle 31
Petra 30
Porcelain Tower 24
Sistine Chapel 9
Statue of Liberty 15
Petra: incites me to adventurous game play
Alhambra: I'll get Chivalry when I have to and at that point Alhambra is long gone.
Alhambra 12
Big Ben 19
Chichen Itza 26
Eiffel Tower 17 - 3 = 14
Great Library 8
Hanging Gardens 28
Hubble 20 + 1 = 21
Leaning Tower of Pisa 23
Louvre 29
Machu Picchu 26
Neuschwanstein Castle 18
Notre Dame 30
Oracle 31
Petra 30
Porcelain Tower 24
Sistine Chapel 9
Statue of Liberty 15
I keep on downvoting Eiffel Tower because of its anti-synergetic ability.
Hubble because, believe it or not, it made the difference for me last game, allowing me to catch up with a monster tech-leading Korea. I'm positive I would have lost without it.
Big Ben 19
Chichen Itza 26
Eiffel Tower 17 - 3 = 14
Great Library 8
Hanging Gardens 28
Hubble 20 + 1 = 21
Leaning Tower of Pisa 23
Louvre 29
Machu Picchu 26
Neuschwanstein Castle 18
Notre Dame 30
Oracle 31
Petra 30
Porcelain Tower 24
Sistine Chapel 9
Statue of Liberty 15
I keep on downvoting Eiffel Tower because of its anti-synergetic ability.
Hubble because, believe it or not, it made the difference for me last game, allowing me to catch up with a monster tech-leading Korea. I'm positive I would have lost without it.
Alhambra 12
Big Ben 19
Chichen Itza 26
Eiffel Tower 14
Great Library 8
Hanging Gardens 28
Hubble 21
Leaning Tower of Pisa 23
Louvre 29
Machu Picchu 26
Neuschwanstein Castle 19
Notre Dame 30
Oracle 31
Petra 30
Porcelain Tower 24
Sistine Chapel 9
Statue of Liberty 12
I rarely use statue in as a useful wonder.
But again "Neuschwanstein" makes castles very useful and it is great to use free castles as an advantage.
Big Ben 19
Chichen Itza 26
Eiffel Tower 14
Great Library 8
Hanging Gardens 28
Hubble 21
Leaning Tower of Pisa 23
Louvre 29
Machu Picchu 26
Neuschwanstein Castle 19
Notre Dame 30
Oracle 31
Petra 30
Porcelain Tower 24
Sistine Chapel 9
Statue of Liberty 12
I rarely use statue in as a useful wonder.
But again "Neuschwanstein" makes castles very useful and it is great to use free castles as an advantage.
Alhambra 12
Big Ben 19
Chichen Itza 26
Eiffel Tower 11 (-3)
Great Library 8
Hanging Gardens 28
Hubble 21
Leaning Tower of Pisa 23
Louvre 29
Machu Picchu 26
Neuschwanstein Castle 20 (+1)
Notre Dame 30
Oracle 31
Petra 30
Porcelain Tower 24
Sistine Chapel 9
Statue of Liberty 12
Neuschwanstein Castle is awesome for both peaceful expansion and conquest.
Eiffel Tower comes at a time where happiness isn't a big problem.
Big Ben 19
Chichen Itza 26
Eiffel Tower 11 (-3)
Great Library 8
Hanging Gardens 28
Hubble 21
Leaning Tower of Pisa 23
Louvre 29
Machu Picchu 26
Neuschwanstein Castle 20 (+1)
Notre Dame 30
Oracle 31
Petra 30
Porcelain Tower 24
Sistine Chapel 9
Statue of Liberty 12
Neuschwanstein Castle is awesome for both peaceful expansion and conquest.
Eiffel Tower comes at a time where happiness isn't a big problem.
GoodSarmatian
Jokerfied Western Male
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Alhambra 12
Big Ben 19
Chichen Itza 26
Eiffel Tower 11
Great Library 9
Hanging Gardens 28
Hubble 21
Leaning Tower of Pisa 23
Louvre 29
Machu Picchu 26
Neuschwanstein Castle 20
Notre Dame 30
Oracle 31
Petra 27
Porcelain Tower 24
Sistine Chapel 9
Statue of Liberty 12
Again one vote for the Great Library for early and possibly su.stained.
Petra is ridiculously overrated. People seem to judge it on a best case scenario when your first Settler starts in the midst of a lot of desert hills at a river.
Big Ben 19
Chichen Itza 26
Eiffel Tower 11
Great Library 9
Hanging Gardens 28
Hubble 21
Leaning Tower of Pisa 23
Louvre 29
Machu Picchu 26
Neuschwanstein Castle 20
Notre Dame 30
Oracle 31
Petra 27
Porcelain Tower 24
Sistine Chapel 9
Statue of Liberty 12
Again one vote for the Great Library for early and possibly su.stained.
Petra is ridiculously overrated. People seem to judge it on a best case scenario when your first Settler starts in the midst of a lot of desert hills at a river.
blackcatatonic
Queen of Meme
Post edited as the poster above me posted while I was writing mine.
Alhambra 12
Big Ben 19
Chichen Itza 26
Eiffel Tower 11
Great Library 10 (+1)
Hanging Gardens 28
Hubble 21
Leaning Tower of Pisa 23
Louvre 29
Machu Picchu 26
Neuschwanstein Castle 20
Notre Dame 30
Oracle 31
Petra 27
Porcelain Tower 24
Sistine Chapel 9
Statue of Liberty 9 (-3)
As someone who plays on King and Emperor, I do generally manage to build the Great Library and while it's dangerous to make going for it a lynchpin of your strategy, if you time it correctly it's immensely useful that early in the game.
I deducted points from the Statue of Liberty as it never seems to be worth building when I could be working on Eiffel Tower or Cristo Redentor instead. Plus, the AI will always go for it.
Alhambra 12
Big Ben 19
Chichen Itza 26
Eiffel Tower 11
Great Library 10 (+1)
Hanging Gardens 28
Hubble 21
Leaning Tower of Pisa 23
Louvre 29
Machu Picchu 26
Neuschwanstein Castle 20
Notre Dame 30
Oracle 31
Petra 27
Porcelain Tower 24
Sistine Chapel 9
Statue of Liberty 9 (-3)
As someone who plays on King and Emperor, I do generally manage to build the Great Library and while it's dangerous to make going for it a lynchpin of your strategy, if you time it correctly it's immensely useful that early in the game.
I deducted points from the Statue of Liberty as it never seems to be worth building when I could be working on Eiffel Tower or Cristo Redentor instead. Plus, the AI will always go for it.
Alhambra 12
Big Ben 19
Chichen Itza 26
Eiffel Tower 11
Great Library 10
Hanging Gardens 28
Hubble 21
Leaning Tower of Pisa 24
Louvre 29
Machu Picchu 26
Neuschwanstein Castle 17
Notre Dame 30
Oracle 31
Petra 27
Porcelain Tower 24
Sistine Chapel 9
Statue of Liberty 9
I never build castles so neusch is useless. The leaning tower gives a free engineer
Big Ben 19
Chichen Itza 26
Eiffel Tower 11
Great Library 10
Hanging Gardens 28
Hubble 21
Leaning Tower of Pisa 24
Louvre 29
Machu Picchu 26
Neuschwanstein Castle 17
Notre Dame 30
Oracle 31
Petra 27
Porcelain Tower 24
Sistine Chapel 9
Statue of Liberty 9
I never build castles so neusch is useless. The leaning tower gives a free engineer
