Wonder Elimination Thread

[nationstate]

Alhambra 18
Big Ben - 22 Too little gold, too late in the game
Borobudur -16
Brandenburg Gate-14
Broadway - 18
Chichen Itza - 24
Colossus - 23
Eiffel Tower - 27
Forbidden Palace- 27
Globe Theater - 14
Great Library - 17
Hagia Sophia- 16
Hanging Gardens- 28
Hubble Space Telescope- 25
Leaning Tower of Pisa- 28
Louvre- 21
Machu Picchu- 21
Mausoleum of Halicarnassus - 7
Neuschwanstein - 25
Notre Dame- 20
Oracle- 28
Petra- 21
Porcelain Tower - 23
Prora- 23
Pyramids- 16
Sistine Chapel - 27
Statue Of Liberty- 25
Stonehenge- 18
Sydney Opera House- 10 Free social Policy helps complete late game policy tree/ideology
Temple of Artemis - 17
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[jlim201]

Alhambra 18
Big Ben - 22 Too little gold, too late in the game
Borobudur -16
Brandenburg Gate-14
Broadway - 18
Chichen Itza - 24
Colossus - 23
Eiffel Tower - 27
Forbidden Palace- 27
Globe Theater - 14
Great Library - 17
Hagia Sophia- 16
Hanging Gardens- 28
Hubble Space Telescope- 25
Leaning Tower of Pisa- 28
Louvre- 21
Machu Picchu- 21
Mausoleum of Halicarnassus - 7
Neuschwanstein - 25
Notre Dame- 20
Oracle- 28
Petra- 21
Porcelain Tower - 23
Prora- 23
Pyramids- 13- I have explained several times.
Sistine Chapel - 27
Statue Of Liberty- 25
Stonehenge- 18
Sydney Opera House- 11- Since I can get into this era before most people get into the Modern Era, this helps a lot to get a ton of policies to rush my victory. I seem to rush Ecology and Satellites.
Temple of Artemis - 17

 

[DonStamos]

Alhambra 18
Big Ben - 20 By the time I can build this, I don't really need it.
Borobudur -16
Brandenburg Gate-14
Broadway - 18
Chichen Itza - 24
Colossus - 23
Eiffel Tower - 27
Forbidden Palace- 27
Globe Theater - 14
Great Library - 17
Hagia Sophia- 16
Hanging Gardens- 28
Hubble Space Telescope- 25
Leaning Tower of Pisa- 29 Love the GP generation. I always take a GE with this, which usually gets me another wonder - either the Porcelain Tower or an early Industrial wonder, depending.
Louvre- 21
Machu Picchu- 21
Mausoleum of Halicarnassus - 7
Neuschwanstein - 25
Notre Dame- 20
Oracle- 28
Petra- 21
Porcelain Tower - 23
Prora- 23
Pyramids- 13-
Sistine Chapel - 27
Statue Of Liberty- 25
Stonehenge- 18
Sydney Opera House- 11-
Temple of Artemis - 17

 

[njmfff]

Alhambra 18
Big Ben - 20
Borobudur -16
Brandenburg Gate-14
Broadway - 18
Chichen Itza - 24
Colossus - 23
Eiffel Tower - 27
Forbidden Palace- 27
Globe Theater - 14
Great Library - 17
Hagia Sophia- 16 - 3 = 13
Hanging Gardens- 28
Hubble Space Telescope- 25
Leaning Tower of Pisa- 29 +1 = 30
Louvre- 21
Machu Picchu- 21
Mausoleum of Halicarnassus - 7
Neuschwanstein - 25
Notre Dame- 20
Oracle- 28
Petra- 21
Porcelain Tower - 23
Prora- 23
Pyramids- 13-
Sistine Chapel - 27
Statue Of Liberty- 25
Stonehenge- 18
Sydney Opera House- 11-
Temple of Artemis - 17


Hagia Sophia - meh, it's just a Great Prophet, and considering when this wonder can be build, GP aren't that expensive to get. GP are too slow to get anywere, missionaries are lot better, so Borobudur is much better. ("Here' have my religion" Wonder)


Leaning Tower of Pisa - useful no matter what type of victory you want to pull off. It also comes with good tech, that's set in good tech path.

 

[Quineloe]

Mausoleum is basically just a Mint for rocks. It should be +3 so it's actually a Wonder.

 

[bbbt]

Alhambra 18
Big Ben - 20
Borobudur -16
Brandenburg Gate-14
Broadway - 18
Chichen Itza - 24
Colossus - 23
Eiffel Tower - 27
Forbidden Palace- 28 Gives you dominance of the first round or two of the world congress, when resolutions can have the most effect. And a great help with happiness.
Globe Theater - 14
Great Library - 17
Hagia Sophia- 13
Hanging Gardens- 28
Hubble Space Telescope- 25
Leaning Tower of Pisa- 30
Louvre- 21
Machu Picchu- 21
Mausoleum of Halicarnassus - 4 Just the worst of the early wonders, and it's pay off is rarely worth the early building cost
Neuschwanstein - 25
Notre Dame- 20
Oracle- 28
Petra- 21
Porcelain Tower - 23
Prora- 23
Pyramids- 13-
Sistine Chapel - 27
Statue Of Liberty- 25
Stonehenge- 18
Sydney Opera House- 11-
Temple of Artemis - 17

 

[Marathoner]

Mausoleum is basically just a Mint for rocks. It should be +3 so it's actually a Wonder.

Disagree. The +100 gold for each GP really adds up.

 

[Guandao]

Alhambra 18
Big Ben - 20
Borobudur -16
Brandenburg Gate-14-3=11 GG and more experience for units is great,but this is low priority wonder for me since I rarely go to war.
Broadway - 18
Chichen Itza - 24+1=25 This wonder is worth rushing with a GE, Longer Golden Ages
Colossus - 23
Eiffel Tower - 27
Forbidden Palace- 28
Globe Theater - 14
Great Library - 17
Hagia Sophia- 13
Hanging Gardens- 28
Hubble Space Telescope- 25
Leaning Tower of Pisa- 30
Louvre- 21
Machu Picchu- 21
Mausoleum of Halicarnassus - 4
Neuschwanstein - 25
Notre Dame- 20
Oracle- 28
Petra- 21
Porcelain Tower - 23
Prora- 23
Pyramids- 13-
Sistine Chapel - 27
Statue Of Liberty- 25
Stonehenge- 18
Sydney Opera House- 11-
Temple of Artemis - 17

 

[Sake]

Alhambra 18
Big Ben - 20
Borobudur -16
Brandenburg Gate-11
Broadway - 18
Chichen Itza - 25
Colossus - 23
Eiffel Tower - 27
Forbidden Palace- 28
Globe Theater - 14
Great Library - 17
Hagia Sophia- 13
Hanging Gardens- 28
Hubble Space Telescope- 25
Leaning Tower of Pisa- 30
Louvre- 21
Machu Picchu- 21
Mausoleum of Halicarnassus - 1 - Early game hammers are crucial, i don't 100 gold from GP's is really worth it.
Neuschwanstein - 25
Notre Dame- 20
Oracle- 28
Petra- 21
Porcelain Tower - 24 - AI's hate Rationalism for some weird reason. Therefore, this wonder is easy to grab. It's very useful, combine this with 50% boost to RA's from rationalism and you can fly in science (as long as you have some friends to sign them with).
Prora- 23
Pyramids- 13-
Sistine Chapel - 27
Statue Of Liberty- 25
Stonehenge- 18
Sydney Opera House- 11-
Temple of Artemis - 17

 

[sendos]

AI's hate Rationalism for some weird reason. Therefore, this wonder is easy to grab. It's very useful, combine this with 50% boost to RA's from rationalism and you can fly in science (as long as you have some friends to sign them with).

AI does tend to get rationalism and in turn, this wonder does go rather often. Although this is my pre-patch observation. In my completed Germany game, the AI didn't bother getting rationalism and I got the porcelain tower in the modern era. You could be onto something.

Alhambra 18
Big Ben - 20
Borobudur -16
Brandenburg Gate-11
Broadway - 18
Chichen Itza - 25
Colossus - 23
Eiffel Tower - 27
Forbidden Palace- 28
Globe Theater - 14
Great Library - 17
Hagia Sophia- 13
Hanging Gardens- 28
Hubble Space Telescope- 25
Leaning Tower of Pisa- 30
Louvre- 21
Machu Picchu- 22 It's situational, but if you build a good city next to a mountain, this wonder provides a nice buff to tall empires. Also outclasses the Mausoleum in the long run.
Mausoleum of Halicarnassus - 0 It's a fine wonder but not as good as the others here. Also, it is better to focus hammers on other things in order to consolidate early game development for the long term.
Neuschwanstein - 25
Notre Dame- 20
Oracle- 28
Petra- 21
Porcelain Tower - 24
Prora- 23
Pyramids- 13-
Sistine Chapel - 27
Statue Of Liberty- 25
Stonehenge- 18
Sydney Opera House- 11-
Temple of Artemis - 17

 

[whyidie]

Alhambra 19
Big Ben - 20
Borobudur -16
Brandenburg Gate-11
Broadway - 18
Chichen Itza - 25
Colossus - 23
Eiffel Tower - 27
Forbidden Palace- 28
Globe Theater - 14
Great Library - 17
Hagia Sophia- 13
Hanging Gardens- 25
Hubble Space Telescope- 25
Leaning Tower of Pisa- 30
Louvre- 21
Machu Picchu- 22
Neuschwanstein - 25
Notre Dame- 20
Oracle- 28
Petra- 21
Porcelain Tower - 24
Prora- 23
Pyramids- 13-
Sistine Chapel - 27
Statue Of Liberty- 25
Stonehenge- 18
Sydney Opera House- 11
Temple of Artemis - 17

Growing Alhambra for the 20% culture boost as well as the free promo. Also, I rarely get this wonder. Its usually gone before I even have the tech to build it.

Chopping the gardens. I'd prefer Temple of Artemis 15% growth and reduced ranged unit build time for all cities vs Hanging Gardens extra food trade route and free garden. Not to mention you get great engineer point for ToA.

 

[derdgod]

Alhambra 19
Big Ben - 20
Borobudur -16
Brandenburg Gate-11
Broadway - 18
Chichen Itza - 25
Colossus - 23
Eiffel Tower - 27
Forbidden Palace- 28
Globe Theater - 14
Great Library - 17
Hagia Sophia- 13
Hanging Gardens- 25
Hubble Space Telescope- 25
Leaning Tower of Pisa- 30
Louvre- 21
Machu Picchu- 22
Neuschwanstein - 25
Notre Dame- 20
Oracle- 29 Very easy to get on higher levels and an free early social policy can really help you finish tradition much faster. Also the tech for it unlocks National college
Petra- 21
Porcelain Tower - 24
Prora- 23
Pyramids- 10 muh tradition!
Sistine Chapel - 27
Statue Of Liberty- 25
Stonehenge- 18
Sydney Opera House- 11
Temple of Artemis - 17

 

[bbbt]

Alhambra 19
Big Ben - 20
Borobudur -16
Brandenburg Gate-8 Not bad, but not sure it's worth that much more than pounding out a few units for the same hammers.
Broadway - 18
Chichen Itza - 25
Colossus - 23
Eiffel Tower - 27
Forbidden Palace- 28
Globe Theater - 14
Great Library - 17
Hagia Sophia- 13
Hanging Gardens- 25
Hubble Space Telescope- 25
Leaning Tower of Pisa- 30
Louvre- 21
Machu Picchu- 22
Neuschwanstein - 25
Notre Dame- 20
Oracle- 29
Petra- 21
Porcelain Tower - 25 Buy two RAs, get one free
Prora- 23
Pyramids- 10
Sistine Chapel - 27
Statue Of Liberty- 25
Stonehenge- 18
Sydney Opera House- 11
Temple of Artemis - 17

Can't get the color tags to work for some reason (just displays them in text), staying with bolding.

 

[njmfff]

Alhambra 19
Big Ben - 20
Borobudur -16
Brandenburg Gate-8
Broadway - 18
Chichen Itza - 25
Colossus - 23
Eiffel Tower - 27
Forbidden Palace- 28
Globe Theater - 14
Great Library - 17
Hagia Sophia- 13
Hanging Gardens- 25
Hubble Space Telescope- 25
Leaning Tower of Pisa- 30
Louvre- 21
Machu Picchu- 22
Neuschwanstein - 25 + 1 = 26
Notre Dame- 20
Oracle- 29
Petra- 21
Porcelain Tower - 25
Prora- 23
Pyramids- 10
Sistine Chapel - 27
Statue Of Liberty- 25
Stonehenge- 18
Sydney Opera House- 11 - 3 = 8
Temple of Artemis - 17


Neuschwanstein - very good wonder, since it gives lot of gold, happiness and culture. Specific conditions will give you higher chance to build it since AI doesn't often drop cities next to a mountain (they also don't like going down that tech path for some reason?). Puppet cities like to build castles, so it ensures extra happiness.

Sydney Opera House - it's not a bad wonder, but comes too late into the game that it wouldn't make much difference. If you're playing cultural, you'll probably already have huge CpT, so extra culture from SOH won't matter that much. Free policy is nice tho, but still, it's a very late game wonder and I would prefer to grab HST. GW slots are ok, but I would prefer to bomb AIs with my awesome music so they can start buying my blue jeans.

Specific conditions for both wonders are not too concerning, since most reasonable players would have at least one coastal and one "mountain" city. (for extra science).

 

[Makavcio]

Alhambra 19-3=16 It has nothing that would rly compel me to build it.
Big Ben - 20
Borobudur -16
Brandenburg Gate-8
Broadway - 18
Chichen Itza - 25
Colossus - 23
Eiffel Tower - 27
Forbidden Palace- 28
Globe Theater - 14
Great Library - 17
Hagia Sophia- 13
Hanging Gardens- 25
Hubble Space Telescope- 25
Leaning Tower of Pisa- 30
Louvre- 21
Machu Picchu- 22
Neuschwanstein - 26
Notre Dame- 20
Oracle- 29
Petra- 21+1=22 An absolute must-have for a desert civ. +1 trade route is also extremely valuable.
Porcelain Tower - 25
Prora- 23
Pyramids- 10
Sistine Chapel - 27
Statue Of Liberty- 25
Stonehenge- 18
Sydney Opera House- 8
Temple of Artemis - 17

 

[Memoryjar]

Alhambra 16 -3 = 13. «It has nothing that would rly compel me to build it.» Me too. AI love it, thanks for me, hammers in something i don't care. Never in my tempo of build order / research. Never rush it like petra or burobudur.
Big Ben - 20
Borobudur -16
Brandenburg Gate-8
Broadway - 18
Chichen Itza - 25
Colossus - 23
Eiffel Tower - 27
Forbidden Palace- 28
Globe Theater - 14
Great Library - 17
Hagia Sophia- 13
Hanging Gardens- 25
Hubble Space Telescope- 25
Leaning Tower of Pisa- 30
Louvre- 21
Machu Picchu- 22
Neuschwanstein - 26
Notre Dame- 20
Oracle- 29
Petra-22
Porcelain Tower - 25
Prora- 23
Pyramids- 10
Sistine Chapel - 27
Statue Of Liberty- 25
Stonehenge- 18
Sydney Opera House- 8 + 1 = 9. Yes, it's late. But allways useful. It gives me a doctrine or thenet i need to completly win the game or be back. It doesn't need specific doctrine like Big Ben or Porcelain Tower. On the way of Internet. Never build it in G&K, allways in BNW.
Temple of Artemis - 17

 

[Dogmouth]

Alhambra - 13
Big Ben - 20
Borobudur -16
Brandenburg Gate-8
Broadway - 18
Chichen Itza - 25
Colossus - 24
Eiffel Tower - 27
Forbidden Palace- 28
Globe Theater - 14
Great Library - 14
Hagia Sophia- 13
Hanging Gardens- 25
Hubble Space Telescope- 25
Leaning Tower of Pisa- 30
Louvre- 21
Machu Picchu- 22
Neuschwanstein - 26
Notre Dame- 20
Oracle- 29
Petra-22
Porcelain Tower - 25
Prora- 23
Pyramids- 10
Sistine Chapel - 27
Statue Of Liberty- 25
Stonehenge- 18
Sydney Opera House- 9
Temple of Artemis - 17

Hammers are so precious when the GL is available, and it's so popular with the AI that your hammer investment is often wasted. The amount of beakers you can get at this point just isn't enough for me to justify this gamble.

I used to think colossus was mediocre, but now it's downright awesome. A free ocean trade route? Yes, please! For less hammers, this badboy is better than the (really good) hanging gardens, and the AI is less likely to build it.

 

[Merciorum]

Alhambra - 14 I find the +20% culture to be phenomenally useful in your main culture city. Can be a deciding factor for culture victories; not as much as in G+K, but it doesn't stop it from being very deadly.
Big Ben - 20
Borobudur -16
Brandenburg Gate-5 I do like this one, but in lieu of any other wonders I dislike, I'm going to have to knock it off. Its bonuses are nice, but I don't feel that they do that much to aid a victory. It might give your armies a small edge, but nothing that can really swing a war in your direction.
Broadway - 18
Chichen Itza - 25
Colossus - 24
Eiffel Tower - 27
Forbidden Palace- 28
Globe Theater - 14
Great Library - 14
Hagia Sophia- 13
Hanging Gardens- 25
Hubble Space Telescope- 25
Leaning Tower of Pisa- 30
Louvre- 21
Machu Picchu- 22
Neuschwanstein - 26
Notre Dame- 20
Oracle- 29
Petra-22
Porcelain Tower - 25
Prora- 23
Pyramids- 10
Sistine Chapel - 27
Statue Of Liberty- 25
Stonehenge- 18
Sydney Opera House- 9
Temple of Artemis - 17

 

[whyidie]

Alhambra - 14
Big Ben - 20
Borobudur -16
Brandenburg Gate-5
Broadway - 18
Chichen Itza - 25
Colossus - 24
Eiffel Tower - 27
Forbidden Palace- 28
Globe Theater - 14
Great Library - 14
Hagia Sophia- 13
Hanging Gardens- 25
Hubble Space Telescope- 25
Leaning Tower of Pisa- 30
Louvre- 21
Machu Picchu- 22
Neuschwanstein - 26
Notre Dame- 20
Oracle- 29
Petra-22
Porcelain Tower - 25
Prora- 23
Pyramids- 11
Sistine Chapel - 27
Statue Of Liberty- 25
Stonehenge- 18
Sydney Opera House- 9
Temple of Artemis - 17

Down to Brandenburg Gate. I build it whenever I get a chance, but that usually means I've got Barracks and Heroic Epic. So if you stack it with other buildings its great, but by itself its just a barracks with a great general. Not really Wondersome on its own.

Up to Pyramids. I've been on a liberty kick recently and its really tough to go back to tradition. Improvements are soooo slow. Nothing like getting pyramids and libertys worker rate improvement stacked. You better get more cities quickly, because your workers will run out of things to do.

 

[Beaver79]

Alhambra - 14
Big Ben - 20
Borobudur -16
Brandenburg Gate-5
Broadway - 18
Chichen Itza - 25
Colossus - 24
Eiffel Tower - 27
Forbidden Palace- 28
Globe Theater - 14
Great Library - 14
Hagia Sophia- 14 = 13 + 1
Hanging Gardens- 25
Hubble Space Telescope- 25
Leaning Tower of Pisa- 30
Louvre- 21
Machu Picchu- 22
Neuschwanstein - 26
Notre Dame- 20
Oracle- 29
Petra-22
Porcelain Tower - 25
Prora- 23
Pyramids- 8 = 11 - 3
Sistine Chapel - 27
Statue Of Liberty- 25
Stonehenge- 18
Sydney Opera House- 9
Temple of Artemis - 17

If you haven't spent a single gold piece on any type of religious structure, the Hagia will get you a religion.

Downing pyramids because with the Liberty policy this is overkill. You want to delete or have your workers sleeping by the start of the Renaissance era?