Wonder Elimination Thread

[Mesix]

Alhambra - 18
Big Ben - 24
Borobudur -15
Brandenburg Gate-17
Broadway - 18
Chichen Itza - 24
Colossus - 22
Eiffel Tower - 26
Forbidden Palace- 27
Globe Theater - 17
Great Library - 22
Hagia Sophia- 18 (-3, I generally don't have trouble founding a religion without it)
Hanging Gardens- 27
Hubble Space Telescope- 25
Leaning Tower of Pisa- 30
Louvre- 21
Machu Picchu- 21
Mausoleum of Halicarnassus - 16
Neuschwanstein - 25
Notre Dame- 19
Oracle- 28
Petra- 24 (+1, a must have to make that desert city a gem!)
Porcelain Tower - 23
Prora- 22
Pyramids- 15
Sistine Chapel - 26
Statue Of Liberty- 24
Stonehenge- 20
Sydney Opera House- 15
Temple of Artemis - 20

 

[limluigi]

Alhambra - 18
Big Ben - 24
Borobudur -15
Brandenburg Gate-17
Broadway - 18
Chichen Itza - 24
Colossus - 22
Eiffel Tower - 26
Forbidden Palace- 27
Globe Theater - 17
Great Library - 22
Hagia Sophia- 18
Hanging Gardens- 28 (+1) Your city would grow by leaps and bounds. Only problem with it is that AI would take it first.
Hubble Space Telescope- 25
Leaning Tower of Pisa- 30
Louvre- 21
Machu Picchu- 21
Mausoleum of Halicarnassus - 16
Neuschwanstein - 25
Notre Dame- 19
Oracle- 28
Petra- 24
Porcelain Tower - 23
Prora- 22
Pyramids- 15
Sistine Chapel - 26
Statue Of Liberty- 24
Stonehenge- 20
Sydney Opera House- 12 (-3) It's too late in the game to even matter
Temple of Artemis - 20

 

[KristjanK]

Alhambra - 18
Big Ben - 24
Borobudur -15
Brandenburg Gate-17
Broadway - 18
Chichen Itza - 24
Colossus - 22
Eiffel Tower - 26
Forbidden Palace- 27
Globe Theater - 17
Great Library - 22
Hagia Sophia- 19 Perfect for getting a religion immediately.
Hanging Gardens- 28
Hubble Space Telescope- 25
Leaning Tower of Pisa- 30
Louvre- 21
Machu Picchu- 21
Mausoleum of Halicarnassus - 16
Neuschwanstein - 25
Notre Dame- 19
Oracle- 28
Petra- 24
Porcelain Tower - 23
Prora- 22
Pyramids- 15
Sistine Chapel - 26
Statue Of Liberty- 24
Stonehenge- 20
Sydney Opera House- 12
Temple of Artemis - 17 Frankly, that early in the game I've got better stuff to build

 

[sendos]

No he didn't, that's just someone with the same avatar. Vote re-regarded.

Ops, my apologies to Kraz. I did judge based on the same avatar and then accordingly thought Kraz voted twice.

Alhambra - 18
Big Ben - 24
Borobudur -15
Brandenburg Gate-17
Broadway - 18
Chichen Itza - 24
Colossus - 22
Eiffel Tower - 26
Forbidden Palace- 27
Globe Theater - 17
Great Library - 22
Hagia Sophia- 19
Hanging Gardens- 28
Hubble Space Telescope- 25
Leaning Tower of Pisa- 30
Louvre- 21
Machu Picchu- 21
Mausoleum of Halicarnassus - 16
Neuschwanstein - 25
Notre Dame- 19
Oracle- 28
Petra- 24
Porcelain Tower - 23
Prora- 22
Pyramids- 15
Sistine Chapel - 27 a must have wonder for culture victory and also to find space for artists to do their work.
Statue Of Liberty- 24
Stonehenge- 17 It's not a very crucial wonder, with exception of the Byzantines.
Sydney Opera House- 12
Temple of Artemis - 17

 

[Greizer85]

Alhambra - 18
Big Ben - 25 Buy the whole world, what can I say?
Borobudur -15
Brandenburg Gate-17
Broadway - 18
Chichen Itza - 24
Colossus - 22
Eiffel Tower - 26
Forbidden Palace- 27
Globe Theater - 17
Great Library - 19 You cannot rely on getting it, and even if you do, it sets you back so badly in other areas that it is of questionable benefit.
Hagia Sophia- 19
Hanging Gardens- 28
Hubble Space Telescope- 25
Leaning Tower of Pisa- 30
Louvre- 21
Machu Picchu- 21
Mausoleum of Halicarnassus - 16
Neuschwanstein - 25
Notre Dame- 19
Oracle- 28
Petra- 24
Porcelain Tower - 23
Prora- 22
Pyramids- 15
Sistine Chapel - 27
Statue Of Liberty- 24
Stonehenge- 17
Sydney Opera House- 12
Temple of Artemis - 17

P.S. Help with the problem in my sig!

 

[jlim201]

Great Library - 19 You cannot rely on getting it, and even if you do, it sets you back so badly in other areas that it is of questionable benefit.
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I don't find that it sets you back, unless you are on Immortal/Deity. My build order usually is- Scout, Shrine, GL, Settler. Buy a worker when first possible. If I finish something before I get the tech, I spend hammers on granary. I can get GL in almost every game. I have failed to get it three times ever. If you fail, it sets you back, if you succeed, its amazing.

 

[Enrico Swagolo]

Alhambra - 18
Big Ben - 25
Borobudur -15
Brandenburg Gate-14
Broadway - 18
Chichen Itza - 24
Colossus - 23
Eiffel Tower - 26
Forbidden Palace- 27
Globe Theater - 17
Great Library - 19
Hagia Sophia- 19
Hanging Gardens- 28
Hubble Space Telescope- 25
Leaning Tower of Pisa- 30
Louvre- 21
Machu Picchu- 21
Mausoleum of Halicarnassus - 16
Neuschwanstein - 25
Notre Dame- 19
Oracle- 28
Petra- 24
Porcelain Tower - 23
Prora- 22
Pyramids- 15
Sistine Chapel - 27
Statue Of Liberty- 24
Stonehenge- 17
Sydney Opera House- 12
Temple of Artemis - 17

-3 off Brandenburg. Great General isn't a big deal, +XP is cool but kinda comes too late. It's also very heavily contested for some reason, I don't think I've built it more than once in BNW even when I was a wonder-lovin' guy ahead in tech.

+1 to Colossus. I don't get why the Hanging Gardens have more points. A Naval Food route gives you more food than Hanging Gardens, while the TR can also be changed to give you more gold/science if you so desire, creating more options for you (but food to Capital is in my opinion always the best choice). Ultra late, the Trade Route will generate about twice as much food as the HG.

It's even better if you're Venice. Colossus also has +5 gold and another effect with trade routes I forgot, making it a really badass wonder. The only flaw is +1 Great Merchant Point.

Colossus is also much, much easier to get than HG, it's less contested by the AI.

 

[jlim201]

Alhambra - 18
Big Ben - 25
Borobudur -15
Brandenburg Gate-14
Broadway - 18
Chichen Itza - 24
Colossus - 23
Eiffel Tower - 26
Forbidden Palace- 27
Globe Theater - 17
Great Library - 19
Hagia Sophia- 16- I can get a religion enhanced before theology and spreading a religion 4 times isn't that good.
Hanging Gardens- 28
Hubble Space Telescope- 25
Leaning Tower of Pisa- 30
Louvre- 21
Machu Picchu- 21
Mausoleum of Halicarnassus - 16
Neuschwanstein - 25
Notre Dame- 19
Oracle- 28
Petra- 24
Porcelain Tower - 23
Prora- 23- You would only go Autocracy if you are going domination, and a domination civ can very easily lack happiness. Prora can give you tons of happiness.
Pyramids- 15
Sistine Chapel - 27
Statue Of Liberty- 24
Stonehenge- 17
Sydney Opera House- 12
Temple of Artemis - 17

 

[Lorf Yimzo]

Alhambra - 18
Big Ben - 25
Borobudur -15
Brandenburg Gate-14
Broadway - 18
Chichen Itza - 24
Colossus - 23
Eiffel Tower - 26
Forbidden Palace- 27
Globe Theater - 17
Great Library - 16- It's a great wonder if you can get it, but on higher difficulties it's pretty much impossible. Hell its a challenge on Prince if you don't beeline it.
Hagia Sophia- 16
Hanging Gardens- 28
Hubble Space Telescope- 25
Leaning Tower of Pisa- 30
Louvre- 21
Machu Picchu- 21
Mausoleum of Halicarnassus - 16
Neuschwanstein - 25
Notre Dame- 20- Really nice if you're struggling with happiness, faith is a bit pointless though.
Oracle- 28
Petra- 24
Porcelain Tower - 23
Prora- 23
Pyramids- 15
Sistine Chapel - 27
Statue Of Liberty- 24
Stonehenge- 17
Sydney Opera House- 12
Temple of Artemis - 17

 

[HerrDoktor]

Big Ben - 25
Borobudur -15
Brandenburg Gate-14
Broadway - 18
Chichen Itza - 24
Colossus - 23
Eiffel Tower - 26
Forbidden Palace- 27
Globe Theater - 17
Great Library - 16
Hagia Sophia- 16
Hanging Gardens- 28
Hubble Space Telescope- 25
Leaning Tower of Pisa- 30
Louvre- 21
Machu Picchu- 21
Mausoleum of Halicarnassus - 13 - Why is this still here?
Neuschwanstein - 25
Notre Dame- 20
Oracle- 28
Petra- 24
Porcelain Tower - 23
Prora- 23
Pyramids- 15
Sistine Chapel - 27
Statue Of Liberty- 25 - Tall is the new wide
Stonehenge- 17
Sydney Opera House- 12
Temple of Artemis - 17

 

[greygamer]

Big Ben - 25
Borobudur -15
Brandenburg Gate-14
Broadway - 18
Chichen Itza - 24
Colossus - 23
Eiffel Tower - 26
Forbidden Palace- 27
Globe Theater - 17
Great Library - 16
Hagia Sophia- 16
Hanging Gardens- 28
Hubble Space Telescope- 25
Leaning Tower of Pisa- 30
Louvre- 21
Machu Picchu- 21
Mausoleum of Halicarnassus - 13
Neuschwanstein - 25
Notre Dame- 20
Oracle- 28
Petra- 21 Situational, required if you get a bad start but you could just re-roll
Porcelain Tower - 23
Prora- 23
Pyramids- 16 For 45 extra hammers you get a GE slot, +1 Culture and +25% Improvement Speed. Combined with Citizenship = 1 turn to repair an improvement and fast road building in the battle zone and fast development of any new city tiles
Sistine Chapel - 27
Statue Of Liberty- 25
Stonehenge- 17
Sydney Opera House- 12
Temple of Artemis - 17

 

[Arcaian]

Big Ben - 25
Borobudur -15
Brandenburg Gate-14
Broadway - 18
Chichen Itza - 24
Colossus - 23
Eiffel Tower - 26
Forbidden Palace- 27
Globe Theater - 17
Great Library - 16
Hagia Sophia- 16
Hanging Gardens- 28
Hubble Space Telescope- 25
Leaning Tower of Pisa- 30+1 = 31 It gives you a free engineer to rush another wonder plus its bonuses or a GP of your choice
Louvre- 21
Machu Picchu- 21
Mausoleum of Halicarnassus - 13-3 = 10 Seriously this thing is practically useless, why is it here?
Neuschwanstein - 25
Notre Dame- 20
Oracle- 28
Petra- 21
Porcelain Tower - 23
Prora- 23
Pyramids- 16
Sistine Chapel - 27
Statue Of Liberty- 25
Stonehenge- 17
Sydney Opera House- 12
Temple of Artemis - 17

 

[jlim201]

The Mausoleum is good for a heavy stone/ marble start. It gives you a ton of gold in some situations. You usually pop around 20 GP per game, that's 2000 gold. The best I have gotten is 10gpt and around 2000 straight up.

 

[Sake]

You guys forgot Alhambra. Fixed.

Alhambra 18
Big Ben - 25
Borobudur -15
Brandenburg Gate-14
Broadway - 18
Chichen Itza - 24
Colossus - 23
Eiffel Tower - 26
Forbidden Palace- 27
Globe Theater - 17
Great Library - 16
Hagia Sophia- 16
Hanging Gardens- 28
Hubble Space Telescope- 25
Leaning Tower of Pisa- 31
Louvre- 21
Machu Picchu- 21
Mausoleum of Halicarnassus - 7 - There's a difference between being terrain dependent (Petra) and resource dependent. This requires lot of stone and marble around to be worthwhile. 100 gold per GP is not big deal, it's same amount as plundering a caravan and you can quickly get that money by yourself depending on your gpt.
Neuschwanstein - 25
Notre Dame- 20
Oracle- 28
Petra- 21
Porcelain Tower - 23
Prora- 23
Pyramids- 16
Sistine Chapel - 27
Statue Of Liberty- 25
Stonehenge- 18 - This doesn't deserve to die yet, there are worse stuff here. 5 faith doesn't sound like a lot but it can give you early faith lead even on higher difficulties. If you're planning on going for religion, getting this will definitely help, it might give you even first religion if you combine it with piety. First religion doesn't only mean first pick of belief, it means you're first to spread religion to empty cities.
Sydney Opera House- 12
Temple of Artemis - 17

 

[greygamer]

Mausoleum of Halicarnassus ...100 gold per GP is not big deal, it's same amount as plundering a caravan and you can quickly get that money by yourself depending on your gpt.

It is a good fit with the Maya though, you want to build it asap though.

 

[Mesix]

Alhambra 18
Big Ben - 25
Borobudur -15
Brandenburg Gate-14
Broadway - 18
Chichen Itza - 24
Colossus - 23
Eiffel Tower - 26
Forbidden Palace- 27
Globe Theater - 17
Great Library - 16+1=17
Hagia Sophia- 16
Hanging Gardens- 28
Hubble Space Telescope- 25
Leaning Tower of Pisa- 31-3=28
Louvre- 21
Machu Picchu- 21
Mausoleum of Halicarnassus - 7
Neuschwanstein - 25
Notre Dame- 20
Oracle- 28
Petra- 21
Porcelain Tower - 23
Prora- 23
Pyramids- 16
Sistine Chapel - 27
Statue Of Liberty- 25
Stonehenge- 18
Sydney Opera House- 12
Temple of Artemis - 17

The Great Library is great, just as the name says. It is difficult to get, because the AI has been programmed to prioritize it...because it is so great. One of the real difference makers in the game if you use it right.

The LTOP would be good if the free great person were actually free. Like all the other free great people, this increments the cost of future great people which offsets the benefit. One of the worst nerfs in the game IMHO (not just this, but also the Liberty finisher and other "free" great people in the game)

 

[bbbt]

Alhambra 18
Big Ben - 25
Borobudur -15
Brandenburg Gate-14
Broadway - 18
Chichen Itza - 24
Colossus - 23
Eiffel Tower - 27 A solid boost for a cultural win, plus the happiness benefits are icing on the cake
Forbidden Palace- 27
Globe Theater - 17
Great Library - 17
Hagia Sophia- 16
Hanging Gardens- 28
Hubble Space Telescope- 25
Leaning Tower of Pisa- 28
Louvre- 21
Machu Picchu- 21
Mausoleum of Halicarnassus - 7
Neuschwanstein - 25
Notre Dame- 20
Oracle- 28
Petra- 21
Porcelain Tower - 23
Prora- 23
Pyramids- 16
Sistine Chapel - 27
Statue Of Liberty- 25
Stonehenge- 18
Sydney Opera House- 9 Comes too late to be much use for the cultural win. Maybe a little useful if you're about to lose the cultural game, but that's about it.
Temple of Artemis - 17

 

[Mesix]

Sydney Opera House- 9 Comes too late to be much use for the cultural win. Maybe a little useful if you're about to lose the cultural game, but that's about it.

The BNW cultural victory does not require policies to unlock the Utopia Project any more. A free policy can be used for an ideology as well, which can be very powerful in the late game.

 

[bbbt]

The BNW cultural victory does not require policies to unlock the Utopia Project any more. A free policy can be used for an ideology as well, which can be very powerful in the late game.

I realize that, I meant the theming bonus from the musicians not being that useful for the cultural victory at that point. Practically speaking, another themed musician wonder would be more useful earlier in the game, before broadway (national symphony maybe?). And the free policy is nice, but at that point, if I'm going for a cultural win, I'm generally churning through a new policy every 8-9 turns anyway from the amount of culture I have.

I think it's actually more useful for the non-cultural victory aiming civs (the cultural boost as a defense against tourism, the policies are harder to get, so a free one would be more useful), however it's unlocked more in the cultural tech branch (though granted, ecology is useful for all civs because of the free aluminum from the recycling center).

 

[sendos]

Alhambra 18
Big Ben - 25
Borobudur -16 Very powerful for religious spread combined with itinerant preachers.
Brandenburg Gate-14
Broadway - 18
Chichen Itza - 24
Colossus - 23
Eiffel Tower - 27
Forbidden Palace- 27
Globe Theater - 14 If you're aiming for a culture victory and/or to secure your cultural influence when you get your ideology secured, it's a must. Otherwise, it's not that great. It's also on the same tech as the Leaning Tower of Pisa, so it would be best to prioritize that wonder over Globe Theater.
Great Library - 17
Hagia Sophia- 16
Hanging Gardens- 28
Hubble Space Telescope- 25
Leaning Tower of Pisa- 28
Louvre- 21
Machu Picchu- 21
Mausoleum of Halicarnassus - 7
Neuschwanstein - 25
Notre Dame- 20
Oracle- 28
Petra- 21
Porcelain Tower - 23
Prora- 23
Pyramids- 16
Sistine Chapel - 27
Statue Of Liberty- 25
Stonehenge- 18
Sydney Opera House- 9
Temple of Artemis - 17