World at Near Future

[WWTVICTOR]

I don't have any scenario to show. This thread is just a suggestion.
This is my first post and I am looking for comments (following posts will be uploaded in a few days)
Here are some civs:
Canada (Seafaring, Religious)
(close ties to US)
United States and her possessions (Expansionists, Militaristic, Commercial)
(cautious towards Russia and China)(supreme military, only superpower)(friendly to western, developed countries, popular to most countries)
Mexico (Industrious, Agricultural)
Caribbeans (Central America, except Mexico)(Expansionists, Militaristic)
(close ties to US)
Colombia (including Ecuador, Peru, Bolivia, Venezuela, Suriname, Guyana)(Commercial, Militaristic)
(close ties to Argentina and Brazil)
Brazil (Commercial, Scientific, Agricultural)
(close ties to Argentina and Colombia)
Argentina (including Paraguay, Uruguay, Chile)(Expansionists, Industrious)
(close ties to Colombia and Brazil)
United Kingdom and her possessions (Commercial, Religious, Seafaring)
(close ties to US and EU)(popular among former colonies)
France (Industrious, Scientific, Agricultural)
(close ties to EU)
Germany (Expansionists, Industrious, Militaristic)
(close ties to EU)
European Union (except UK, France, Balkan States and Germany, contains Iceland, Norway and Switzerland)(Commercial, Religious, Scientific)
(close ties to US)
Finland (Industrious)
(cautious towards Russia)
Balkan States (Seafaring)
(cautious towards Russia)
Ukraine (Agricultural)
(cautious towards Russia)
Russia (including Belarus)(Militaristic, Scientific, Agricultural)
(cautious towards US)(inpopular in East Europe and former Soviet countries, a bit influence in India and Middle East)
Turkey (including Armenia)(Industrious, Religious)
(close ties to US and EU)
Georgia (Militaristic)
(hostile with Russia)
Middle East (contains Syria, Lebanon, Palestine and Jordan)(Industrious, Religious, Militaristic)
(hostile with Isreal)
Isreal (contains Gaza)(Commercial, Religious, Militaristic)
(close ties to US)(hostile with Middle East and Iran)
Iraq (Industrious)
(protectorate of US)
Iran (including Azerbaijan)(Expansionists, Religious, Seafaring)
(hostile with Isreal and US)
North Africa (From Egypt to Morocco, and Sudan, Ethiopia, Eritrea, Djibouti)(Religious, Agricultural)
(close ties to EU and Middle East)
Somalia Pirates (Seafaring)
West Africa (Mali, Chad, Ghana, Niger, Nigeria, etc.)(Industrious, Militaristic)
(close ties to US)
Congo (including Congo Rep., Central Africa, etc.)(Militaristic, Agricultural)
East Africa (Kenya, Tanzania and Zambia, etc.)(Expansionists, Industrious)
South Africa (From Angola to Mozambique)(Industrious, Commercial, Seafaring)
Saudi Arabia (the whole Arabian Peninsular)(Religious, Scientific)
(close ties to US)
Kazakhstan (including Kyrgyzstan and Tajikistan)(Expansionists, Commercial)
(close ties to China and Russia)
Central Asia (Uzbekistan and Turkmenistan)(Industrious, Religious)
(cautious towards Russia)
Afghanistan (Religious)
(protectorate of US)
Pakistan (Religious, Militaristic, Agricultural)
(close ties to China)(cautious towards India)
India (including Bhutan and Bangladesh)(Commercial, Religious, Agricultural)
(close ties to Russia)(cautious towards China and Pakistan)
Nepal (Agricultural)
(cautious India and China)
Sri Lanka-Myanmar (Agricultural, Seafaring)
Mongolia (Expansionists)
(cautious towards China and Russia)
China (Industrious, Militaristic, Agricultural)
(cautious towards US and Japan)(popular in among far-east and African developing countries)
Taiwan (Scientific)
(close ties to US)(cautious towards China)
North Korea (Militaristic, Agricultural)
(close ties to China)(hostile with US and S. Korea)
South Korea (Commercial, Scientific)
(close ties to US)(cautious towards Japan)(hostile with N. Korea)
Japan (Commercial, Scientific)
(close ties to US)(cautious towards China)(protectorate of US)
Vietnam (including Laos and Cambodia)(Expansionists, Agricultural)
Thailand (Commercial, Religious)
Malaysia (including Singapore)(Industrious, Commercial)
Philippines (close ties to US)(Agricultural)
Indonesia (Militaristic, Scientific)
Melanesia (Pacific Islands, including East Timor) (Expansionists, Agricultural)
(close ties to US)
Australia (including New Zealand)(Commercial, Militaristic, Seafaring)
(close ties to US)

*protectorate means countries without standing military force but provided by others

Alliances
USA-UK-EU-France-Germany-Turkey-Canada
USA-Philippines
USA-S. Korea
USA-Japan
USA-Australia
USA-Taiwan
UK-Malaysia-Australia
Russia-Kazakhstan-C. Asia-China
China-N. Korea

Governments
Piratic Anarchy
Totalitarian Dictatorship
Military Dictatorship
Communist State
Absolute Monarchy
Constitutional Monarchy
Presidential Republic
Parliamentary Republic
Federal Republic
Confederacy
Direct Democracy

 

[pvincent100]

A few ideas...

Melanesia (including East Timor) should be allied with Australia block
Indonesia (keep East Timor out - they hate each other - East Timor is essentially a protectorate of Australia)
Singapore - make this a City State closely allied with Australia block (also give them a base in Northern Australia - its where they keep all there equipment)
Indonesia - break this up - Democratic (Java), Borneo (Religious Fanatics)
Sri Lanka-Myanmar - place this with India influence
Nepal - get rid of this, place this as part of China
Iran - close ties with Iran (reflecting Iran's ambitions)

Alliances
India/Sri Lanka-Myanmar
Australia/Melanesia
UK-Malaysia-Australia-Singapore

Pakistan - I would leave this out of Alliance from China - maybe split it like Indonesia - Democratic and Religious Fanatics

Democratic Indonesia & Democratic Pakistan - closely allied with the US

 

[Samez]

As the Subforum's name says: it's for completed scenarios only. i will ask a mod to move this thread for you.

 

[WWTVICTOR]

A few ideas...

Melanesia (including East Timor) should be allied with Australia block
Indonesia (keep East Timor out - they hate each other - East Timor is essentially a protectorate of Australia)
Singapore - make this a City State closely allied with Australia block (also give them a base in Northern Australia - its where they keep all there equipment)
Indonesia - break this up - Democratic (Java), Borneo (Religious Fanatics)
Sri Lanka-Myanmar - place this with India influence
Nepal - get rid of this, place this as part of China
Iran - close ties with Iran (reflecting Iran's ambitions)

Alliances
India/Sri Lanka-Myanmar
Australia/Melanesia
UK-Malaysia-Australia-Singapore

Pakistan - I would leave this out of Alliance from China - maybe split it like Indonesia - Democratic and Religious Fanatics

Democratic Indonesia & Democratic Pakistan - closely allied with the US

Firstly, thanks for your invauble guidance. Your comments on East Timor inspired me alot, I nearly forgot East Timor got her independence from Indonesia. |You've recalled my memories.

Secondly, Singapore has a very important relationship with Malaysia.This can be
proved by its national enthem. She is also one of the founding members of the ASEAN.

Thirdly, I'm afraid I wouldn't agree with you to break those countries into pieces. It is believed that there are over two thousand races around the world, some warlike and some peaceful. There might be different views on different peoples, like perhaps some peoples in Indonesia may received high education and turn towards freedom and human-right based political views. But a fairer society and labour rights may be more flavourable to the poorer ones. Most importantly, the government represents the whole country's mutual basic view.


Futhermore, just like we can't seperate the United States into Democrats' states and Republicans' state, only because of one of them is a leftist and another is a rightist. One like econmic and reforms, and another love petroleum and war machine. Let's take India as an example, it is a loose federation which consist of hunderds of different peoples, their banknotes are written in over ten languages, can it be divided into hundred states, Of course NO!

I am quite sorry if I had been rude in this reply, I am very sorry for that.

The next one is Burma, Burma has no very significant close relationship with India but with China. [China is the third-largest trading partner of Burma and provides it with extensive military and economic aid and vital diplomatic support.]-from Wikipedia. China provides her weapons and aid, and Burma lets China to develop a deep-water port to gratitute her long-term support. Sri-Lanka has the same situation, though she follow a non-aligned foreign policy, but China is her largest military partner, and they have close ties on military and economic topics. The situation in Pakistan is similar, but at a different level. Possibly people don't know that China not simply an ally in the Indo-Pakistan War/Conflict, and neglect or isolated the relations based on friendship, quite similar to such relations among United States and United Kingdom. Pakistan is an allyof the US, certainly, but she goes closer to China than the United States, despite China's communist government. Actually, Pakistan was the first state which broke her relationships with Republic of China and recognize Reople's Republic of China, perhaps you can read more about this.

In the other hand, Iran cannot rely on herself in a short term (perhaps for thirty years from now on), although she is developing nuclear weapons and enjoying economic growth.

Finally, the coalition created is based on reality, like the alliance of the US, please refer to NATO, EU's Common Security and Defence Policy, Mutual Defense Treaty Between the Republic of the Philippines and the United States of America, Australia, New Zealand, United States Security Treaty and the military alliance between United States and South Korea.

Anyway, thank you for your comments and welcome anymore guidance. The article will be adjusted afterwards. I apologize for my rudeness and any unhappiness caused.

 

[timerover51]

Calling Japan a protectorate of the US is going way too far, considering the continued tension between Japan and the US over US bases on Okinawa. Have you bothered to take a look at the size of the Japanese military? And the North Koreans hate the Japanese and pose a distinct threat to them with the limited nuclear arsenal. The South Koreans are not too fond of the Japanese either.

Futhermore, just like we can't seperate the United States into Democrats' states and Republicans' state, only because of one of them is a leftist and another is a rightist. One like econmic and reforms, and another love petroleum and war machine.

And I very much resent these comments regarding the US.

Colombia (including Ecuador, Peru, Bolivia, Venezuela, Suriname, Guyana)(close ties to Argentina and Brazil)

Columbia is dealing with leftist rebels being financed and sheltered in Venezuela, and has ongoing border disputes with Ecuador. Brazil and Argentina do not particularly like each other, and do not even speak the same language. Brazil is a growing regional power and Argentina is a bankrupt basket case. Guyana has border problems with Venezuela. You could group Venezuela, Peru, Ecuador, and Bolivia together as a leftist block that does not really like the US. Chile and Argentina have long standing border disputes and again, have never really like each other.

The Sudan, Ethiopia, Eritria, Djibouti, and Somalia have close ties to the US? That is news to me as a US citizen. I do not even regard Somalia as a functioning country. It is more of a pirate base than anything else, dominated by warlords similar to the Barbary Coast of North Africa prior to the French conquest in the 1830s. Ethiopia and Eritria are one border shooting away from another war between the two.

 

[nick0515]

And I very much resent these comments regarding the US.

It's a little ironic that you object to his characterisation of the US right and then go on to make equally disparaging remarks about other nations. If I was Argentinian I'd be particularly offended by your comments.

Now, WWTVICTOR, are you aware that you can only set up to 4 alliances in the editor? I don't believe a civilization can be in more than one alliance at the same time. I doubt you'll be able to create the complex alliance system you're planning. Also, you can't really set whether or not civs like eachother. With flavours you can make them initially slighly more favourable to each other but after a while any civ is liable to attack any other civ unless they are in a locked alliance.

EDIT: Timerover is totally right about Japan. You define protectorates as having no army of their own. This certainly doesn't apply to Japan.

 

[Bengal Tiger]

WWTVICTOR, I agree with much of what you said in post 4, however Japan does have its own armed forces, probably in the top 10-20 in the world. Also, because there is a limit of 31 civs, maybe a few more could be merged, such as Kazakhstan and Central Asia. Might I also suggest putting Finland in the EU, and maybe leave out Nepal altogether?

 

[Steph]

Alliances
USA-UK-EU-France-Germany-Turkey-Canada
USA-Philippines
USA-S. Korea
USA-Japan
USA-Australia
USA-Taiwan
UK-Malaysia-Australia
Russia-Kazakhstan-C. Asia-China
China-Pakistan
China-N. Korea

How do you plan to do that?

 

[WWTVICTOR]

Calling Japan a protectorate of the US is going way too far, considering the continued tension between Japan and the US over US bases on Okinawa. Have you bothered to take a look at the size of the Japanese military? And the North Koreans hate the Japanese and pose a distinct threat to them with the limited nuclear arsenal. The South Koreans are not too fond of the Japanese either.

And I very much resent these comments regarding the US.

Columbia is dealing with leftist rebels being financed and sheltered in Venezuela, and has ongoing border disputes with Ecuador. Brazil and Argentina do not particularly like each other, and do not even speak the same language. Brazil is a growing regional power and Argentina is a bankrupt basket case. Guyana has border problems with Venezuela. You could group Venezuela, Peru, Ecuador, and Bolivia together as a leftist block that does not really like the US. Chile and Argentina have long standing border disputes and again, have never really like each other.

The Sudan, Ethiopia, Eritria, Djibouti, and Somalia have close ties to the US? That is news to me as a US citizen. I do not even regard Somalia as a functioning country. It is more of a pirate base than anything else, dominated by warlords similar to the Barbary Coast of North Africa prior to the French conquest in the 1830s. Ethiopia and Eritria are one border shooting away from another war between the two.

A few replys.

Greetings. I am deeply sorry about my wordings, perhaps I don't know well about the two political parties of the United States.

As far as I know, Japan doesn't have a National Defense Secretary since the end of the Second World War, the abolishment of the Imperial Japanese Army General Staff Office. The Japan Ground Self-Defense Force is now only responsible for the nation's security, not a basis for invading foriegn countries, and a show-off of military power.

Columbia is not as bad as mentioned, she coexists with other countries in Latin America, the establishment of Andean Community of Nations proves that there is no question of the harmony in between Columbia and other neighbouring states. And actually, Brazil has been affected in the debt crisis of the 1980s, she has an external debt of 211,400,000,000 USD. Argentina is not the only state vulnerable. The Latin America states are united, the Falklands War demonstrated the stances of the South Americans stand against the pre-colonial masters. Moreover, the Union of South American Nations showed their unity again, it acts as a collective security in among the states, just like the NATO.

I have to clarify that the Columbia state in the game has no close relations with the US. And the situation that Sudan, Ethiopia, Eritria, Djibouti, and Somalia have close ties to the US is not only new to you but also new to me too. What I have posted is:

North Africa (From Egypt to Morocco, and Sudan, Ethiopia, Eritrea, Djibouti, Somalia(close ties to EU and Middle East)
I agree with you Somalia is a pirate (barbarian) state, but, one of my objectives in the game is to keep out of extra territorial gain by non-war purpose, I can't imagine Finland or Mongolia has a colony on the coast of East Africa.

 

[WWTVICTOR]

WWTVICTOR, I agree with much of what you said in post 4, however Japan does have its own armed forces, probably in the top 10-20 in the world. Also, because there is a limit of 31 civs, maybe a few more could be merged, such as Kazakhstan and Central Asia. Might I also suggest putting Finland in the EU, and maybe leave out Nepal altogether?

Not all of them are playable civs, the civs those have 1 characteristic are unplayable civs.