World Wonder Elimination Thread

[DWilson]

This is a thread where we subtract three points to one wonder, but add one point to another wonder. Note that each user can only hurt and heal once every 24 hours. (As a friendly reminder, please state a rationale for the addition and subtraction of points). You can vote for whatever reason (ability, buildability, placement, tech/civic, quote, appearance, etc).

As in other elimination threads, please only post replies that contain votes (wait until your next vote to comment on other votes)
You are allowed to vote the same way any number of times in a row (after the 24 hours has elapsed each time); but please give a reason on each post, even if it's something like "for the same reason as above"

1. Forbidden City
2. Great Pyramids
3. Colosseum
4. Big Ben
5. Potala Palace
6. Mausoleum at Halicarnassus
7. Ruhr Valley
8. Apadana
9. Venetian Arsenal
10. Alhambra
11. Eiffel Tower
12. Great Zimbabwe
13. Cristo Redentor
14. Oxford University
15. Petra
16. Bolshoi Theatre
17. Terracotta Army
18. Hagia Sophia
19. Oracle
20. Estadio do Maracanã
21. Colossus
22. Hermitage
23. Chichen Itza
24. Mont St. Michel
25. Great Lighthouse
26. Mahabodhi Temple
27. Broadway
28. Hanging Gardens
29. Huey Teocalli
30. Stonehenge
31. Sydney Opera House
32. Great Library

Alhambra = 20
Apadana = 20
Big Ben = 20
Bolshoi Theatre = 20
Broadway = 20
Chichen Itza = 20
Colosseum = 20
Colossus = 20
Cristo Redentor = 20
Eiffel Tower = 20
Estadio do Maracana = 20
Forbidden City = 20
Great Library = 20
Great Lighthouse = 20
Great Pyramids = 20
Great Zimbabwe = 20
Hagia Sophia = 20
Hanging Gardens = 20
Hermitage = 20
Huey Teocalli = 20
Mahabodhi Temple = 20
Mausoleum at Halicarnassus = 20
Mont St. Michel = 20
Oracle = 20
Oxford University = 20
Petra = 20
Potala Palace = 20
Ruhr Valley = 20
Stonehenge = 20
Sydney Opera House = 20
Terracotta Army = 20
Venetian Arsenal = 20

 

[Siptah]

Alhambra = 20
Apadana = 20
Big Ben = 20
Bolshoi Theatre = 20
Broadway = 20
Chichen Itza = 20
Colosseum = 20
Colossus = 20
Cristo Redentor = 20
Eiffel Tower = 20
Estadio do Maracana = 20
Forbidden City = 20
Great Library = 20
Great Lighthouse = 20
Great Pyramids = 21 (20 + 1) I go for this one rather often and it seems worth it in the long run.
Great Zimbabwe = 20
Hagia Sophia = 20
Hanging Gardens = 20
Hermitage = 20
Huey Teocalli = 20
Mahabodhi Temple = 20
Mausoleum at Halicarnassus = 20
Mont St. Michel = 20
Oracle = 20
Oxford University = 20
Petra = 20
Potala Palace = 20
Ruhr Valley = 20
Stonehenge = 20
Sydney Opera House = 17 (20 - 3) This comes way too late for what it does.
Terracotta Army = 20
Venetian Arsenal = 20

 

[The Islander]

Alhambra = 20
Apadana = 20
Big Ben = 20
Bolshoi Theatre = 20
Broadway = 20
Chichen Itza = 20
Colosseum = 20
Colossus = 20
Cristo Redentor = 20
Eiffel Tower = 20
Estadio do Maracana = 20
Forbidden City = 20
Great Library = 17 (20 - 3) by the time you've finished it, its bonuses are almost obsolete. Its timing is wrong and the opportunity cost in the early game is too great.
Great Lighthouse = 20
Great Pyramids = 21
Great Zimbabwe = 20
Hagia Sophia = 20
Hanging Gardens = 20
Hermitage = 20
Huey Teocalli = 20
Mahabodhi Temple = 20
Mausoleum at Halicarnassus = 20
Mont St. Michel = 20
Oracle = 20
Oxford University = 20
Petra = 21 (20 + 1) 'Cause nithing makes me happier than a strong petra city
Potala Palace = 20
Ruhr Valley = 20
Stonehenge = 20
Sydney Opera House = 17
Terracotta Army = 20
Venetian Arsenal = 20

 

[nzcamel]

Alhambra = 20
Apadana = 21 (20+1)
Big Ben = 20
Bolshoi Theatre = 20
Broadway = 20
Chichen Itza = 20
Colosseum = 20
Colossus = 20
Cristo Redentor = 20
Eiffel Tower = 20
Estadio do Maracana = 20
Forbidden City = 20
Great Library = 17
Great Lighthouse = 20
Great Pyramids = 21
Great Zimbabwe = 20
Hagia Sophia = 20
Hanging Gardens = 17 (20-3)
Hermitage = 20
Huey Teocalli = 20
Mahabodhi Temple = 20
Mausoleum at Halicarnassus = 20
Mont St. Michel = 20
Oracle = 20
Oxford University = 20
Petra = 21
Potala Palace = 20
Ruhr Valley = 20
Stonehenge = 20
Sydney Opera House = 17
Terracotta Army = 20
Venetian Arsenal = 20

Nothing like those extra CS envoys for wonders built in the capital thanks to the Apadana (could do with a better quote though!)
I'm sure some will disagree... but I think the extra growth that the H.G. gives is unhelpful/wasted, unless you have enough amenities early in the game.

 

[blackcatatonic]

Alhambra = 20
Apadana = 21
Big Ben = 20
Bolshoi Theatre = 20
Broadway = 20
Chichen Itza = 20
Colosseum = 20
Colossus = 20
Cristo Redentor = 20
Eiffel Tower = 20
Estadio do Maracana = 20
Forbidden City = 20 + 1 = 21 Dat free wildcard slot tho...
Great Library = 17
Great Lighthouse = 20
Great Pyramids = 21
Great Zimbabwe = 20
Hagia Sophia = 20
Hanging Gardens = 17
Hermitage = 20
Huey Teocalli = 20
Mahabodhi Temple = 20
Mausoleum at Halicarnassus = 20
Mont St. Michel = 20
Oracle = 20
Oxford University = 20
Petra = 21
Potala Palace = 20
Ruhr Valley = 20
Stonehenge = 20 - 3 = 17 Ah, the "Civ 5 Great Library" of Civ 6. To quote a certain film: It's a trap! I find this impossible to build above Prince without a very fortuitous start, such that it often seems better not to bother having a religion at all than risk screwing up my entire game with a dangerous early gamble such as this.
Sydney Opera House = 17
Terracotta Army = 20
Venetian Arsenal = 20

 

[WillowBrook]

Alhambra = 20
Apadana = 21
Big Ben = 20
Bolshoi Theatre = 20
Broadway = 20
Chichen Itza = 20
Colosseum = 21 (20+1) super powerful and easier to get than many wonders
Colossus = 20
Cristo Redentor = 20
Eiffel Tower = 20
Estadio do Maracana = 20
Forbidden City = 21
Great Library = 14 (17 - 3) by the time you can build it without setting back initial expansion, it doesn't provide much benefit
Great Lighthouse = 20
Great Pyramids = 21
Great Zimbabwe = 20
Hagia Sophia = 20
Hanging Gardens = 17
Hermitage = 20
Huey Teocalli = 20
Mahabodhi Temple = 20
Mausoleum at Halicarnassus = 20
Mont St. Michel = 20
Oracle = 20
Oxford University = 20
Petra = 21
Potala Palace = 20
Ruhr Valley = 20
Stonehenge = 17
Sydney Opera House = 17
Terracotta Army = 20
Venetian Arsenal = 20

 

[Kimiimaro]

Alhambra = 20
Apadana = 21
Big Ben = 20
Bolshoi Theatre = 20
Broadway = 20
Chichen Itza = 20
Colosseum = 21
Colossus = 20-3=17 - I find its bonus weak.
Cristo Redentor = 20
Eiffel Tower = 20
Estadio do Maracana = 20
Forbidden City = 21
Great Library = 14
Great Lighthouse = 20
Great Pyramids = 21
Great Zimbabwe = 20
Hagia Sophia = 20
Hanging Gardens = 17
Hermitage = 20
Huey Teocalli = 20
Mahabodhi Temple = 20
Mausoleum at Halicarnassus = 20
Mont St. Michel = 20
Oracle = 20
Oxford University = 20
Petra = 21
Potala Palace = 20
Ruhr Valley = 20
Stonehenge = 17
Sydney Opera House = 17
Terracotta Army = 20
Venetian Arsenal = 20+1=21 - Gives Scythian unique ability, only with ships instead of light cavarly units. I know that ships aren't much important, but Battleships and Missile Cruisers are somewhat OP, because they have long range and high damage, so they are perfect for attacking coastal cities. And having two of them instead of one can make my naval expansion faster.

 

[Defenestration]

Alhambra = 20
Apadana = 21
Big Ben = 20
Bolshoi Theatre = 20
Broadway = 20
Chichen Itza = 20
Colosseum = 22 (21+1) Powerful bonuses and easy to build, as the AI usually won't go for it.
Colossus = 17
Cristo Redentor = 20
Eiffel Tower = 20
Estadio do Maracana = 20
Forbidden City = 21
Great Library = 11 (14-3) Should either be able to be built earlier or have benefits that go past the classical era.
Great Lighthouse = 20
Great Pyramids = 21
Great Zimbabwe = 20
Hagia Sophia = 20
Hanging Gardens = 17
Hermitage = 20
Huey Teocalli = 20
Mahabodhi Temple = 20
Mausoleum at Halicarnassus = 20
Mont St. Michel = 20
Oracle = 20
Oxford University = 20
Petra = 21
Potala Palace = 20
Ruhr Valley = 20
Stonehenge = 17
Sydney Opera House = 17
Terracotta Army = 20
Venetian Arsenal = 21

 

[Orange1861]

Alhambra = 20
Apadana = 21
Big Ben = 20
Bolshoi Theatre = 20
Broadway = 20
Chichen Itza = 20
Colosseum = 22
Colossus = 17
Eiffel Tower = 20
Estadio do Maracana = 20
Forbidden City = 22 (21 + 1) The best wonder in my opinion due to +1 wild card slots.
Great Library = 11
Great Lighthouse = 20
Great Pyramids = 21
Great Zimbabwe = 20
Hagia Sophia = 20
Hanging Gardens = 17
Hermitage = 20
Huey Teocalli = 20
Mahabodhi Temple = 20
Mausoleum at Halicarnassus = 20
Mont St. Michel = 17 (20 -3) Only good if you are Kongo and even then they have only five slots.
Oracle = 20
Oxford University = 20
Petra = 21
Potala Palace = 20
Ruhr Valley = 20
Stonehenge = 17
Sydney Opera House = 17
Terracotta Army = 20
Venetian Arsenal = 21

 

[Orange1861]

Link to wiki.

http://civilization.wikia.com/wiki/Wonder_(Civ6)

 

[Amrunril]

Alhambra = 20
Apadana = 21
Big Ben = 20
Bolshoi Theatre = 20
Broadway = 20
Chichen Itza = 20
Colosseum = 22
Colossus = 17
Eiffel Tower = 20
Estadio do Maracana = 20
Forbidden City = 22
Great Library = 11
Great Lighthouse = 20
Great Pyramids = 21
Great Zimbabwe = 21 (20 + 1) This can easily give you 8 or 10 gold per trade route (even more if you get lucky with resource placement). That's roughly doublethe value of the best trade route boosting policies and city states.
Hagia Sophia = 20
Hanging Gardens = 17
Hermitage = 20
Huey Teocalli = 20
Mahabodhi Temple = 20
Mausoleum at Halicarnassus = 20
Mont St. Michel = 17
Oracle = 20
Oxford University = 20
Petra = 21
Potala Palace = 20
Ruhr Valley = 20
Stonehenge = 17
Sydney Opera House = 14 (17 - 3) All of the GWAM point/slot wonders are underwhelming, but this is by far the worst. By the time you can finish it, there's a good chance that there won't even be any Great Musicians left to claim.
Terracotta Army = 20
Venetian Arsenal = 21

 

[DWilson]

Alhambra = 20
Apadana = 21
Big Ben = 20
Bolshoi Theatre = 20
Broadway = 20
Chichen Itza = 20
Colosseum = 22
Colossus = 17
Eiffel Tower = 20
Estadio do Maracana = 20
Forbidden City = 23 (22+1, I love slot wonders, and this is the wild king of slot wonders)
Great Library = 8 (11-3, the bonus from this is just so insubstantial that it's not worth the effort. A major shift from previous games)
Great Lighthouse = 20
Great Pyramids = 21
Great Zimbabwe = 21
Hagia Sophia = 20
Hanging Gardens = 17
Hermitage = 20
Huey Teocalli = 20
Mahabodhi Temple = 20
Mausoleum at Halicarnassus = 20
Mont St. Michel = 17
Oracle = 20
Oxford University = 20
Petra = 21
Potala Palace = 20
Ruhr Valley = 20
Stonehenge = 17
Sydney Opera House = 14
Terracotta Army = 20
Venetian Arsenal = 21

 

[Xandinho]

Alhambra = 20
Apadana = 21
Big Ben = 20
Bolshoi Theatre = 20
Broadway = 20
Chichen Itza = 20
Colosseum = 22
Colossus = 17
Cristo Redentor = 20
Eiffel Tower = 20
Estadio do Maracana = 20
Forbidden City = 23
Great Library = 8 - 3 = 5 Weak and irrelevant bonus
Great Lighthouse = 20
Great Pyramids = 21
Great Zimbabwe = 21
Hagia Sophia = 20
Hanging Gardens = 17
Hermitage = 20
Huey Teocalli = 20
Mahabodhi Temple = 20
Mausoleum at Halicarnassus = 20
Mont St. Michel = 17
Oracle = 20
Oxford University = 20
Petra = 21 + 1 =22 Perfect wonder if you show up in a desert
Potala Palace = 20
Ruhr Valley = 20
Stonehenge = 17
Sydney Opera House = 14
Terracotta Army = 20
Venetian Arsenal = 21

 

[Guandao]

Alhambra = 20
Apadana = 21+1=22 I usually try to build this wonder near my capital
Big Ben = 20
Bolshoi Theatre = 20
Broadway = 20
Chichen Itza = 20
Colosseum = 22
Colossus = 17
Cristo Redentor = 20
Eiffel Tower = 20
Estadio do Maracana = 20
Forbidden City = 23
Great Library = 5
Great Lighthouse = 20
Great Pyramids = 21
Great Zimbabwe = 21
Hagia Sophia = 20
Hanging Gardens = 17-3=14 This is second trap, usually happens to be the 2nd wonder built by the Civs in my games
Hermitage = 20
Huey Teocalli = 20
Mahabodhi Temple = 20
Mausoleum at Halicarnassus = 20
Mont St. Michel = 17
Oracle = 20
Oxford University = 20
Petra = 22
Potala Palace = 20
Ruhr Valley = 20
Stonehenge = 17
Sydney Opera House = 14
Terracotta Army = 20
Venetian Arsenal = 21

 

[Sagax]

Alhambra = 20
Apadana = 22
Big Ben = 20
Bolshoi Theatre = 20
Broadway = 20
Chichen Itza = 20
Colosseum = 22
Colossus = 17
Cristo Redentor = 20
Eiffel Tower = 20
Estadio do Maracana = 20
Forbidden City = 23
Great Library = 5
Great Lighthouse = 17 - Underwhelming to say the least. Colossus is almost always a better alternative, because an extra trade route is MUCH better than extra movement on units that AI has no idea how to handle anyway.
Great Pyramids = 21
Great Zimbabwe = 21
Hagia Sophia = 20
Hanging Gardens =14
Hermitage = 20
Huey Teocalli = 20
Mahabodhi Temple = 20
Mausoleum at Halicarnassus = 20
Mont St. Michel = 17
Oracle = 20
Oxford University = 20
Petra = 22
Potala Palace = 20
Ruhr Valley = 21 (20+1) - Production is king, and Ruhr Valley is its crown. In my games completing this is pretty much a "You win" button.
Stonehenge = 17
Sydney Opera House = 14
Terracotta Army = 20
Venetian Arsenal = 21

 

[gettingfat]

Alhambra = 20
Apadana = 22
Big Ben = 20+1=21(economy policy is the most powerful one, plus doubling the currency which can easily give you extra $50k+ with some planning, plus +3 useful great merchant point and some gpt. This essentially allows you to buy a science or domination vIctory. I also never see the AI leaders build BB so it is useful in all games. I also gave great zim a thought but great zim is quite map dependent and takes away the flexibility of trade routes, while BB can almost build in any rivered city.)
Bolshoi Theatre = 20
Broadway = 20
Chichen Itza = 20
Colosseum = 22
Colossus = 17
Cristo Redentor = 20
Eiffel Tower = 20
Estadio do Maracana = 20
Forbidden City = 23
Great Library = 5
Great Lighthouse = 17
Great Pyramids = 21
Great Zimbabwe = 21
Hagia Sophia = 20
Hanging Gardens =14
Hermitage = 20
Huey Teocalli = 20
Mahabodhi Temple = 20
Mausoleum at Halicarnassus = 20
Mont St. Michel = 17
Oracle = 20
Oxford University = 20
Petra = 22
Potala Palace = 20
Ruhr Valley = 21
Stonehenge = 17
Sydney Opera House = 14-3=11 (Spending over 3000 cogs for just a few great work slots and +5 great musician points and some culture in atomic era?? Who comes up with this idea?)
Terracotta Army = 20
Venetian Arsenal = 21

 

[Kinestic]

Alhambra = 20
Apadana = 22
Big Ben =21
Bolshoi Theatre = 20
Broadway = 20
Chichen Itza = 20
Colosseum = 22
Colossus = 17
Cristo Redentor = 20
Eiffel Tower = 20+1 =21 *laughs in Australian*
Estadio do Maracana = 20
Forbidden City = 23
Great Library = 5
Great Lighthouse = 17
Great Pyramids = 21
Great Zimbabwe = 21
Hagia Sophia = 20
Hanging Gardens =14 - 3 =11 This bonus is only 5% better than a city with +3 amenities, and it is over-competed for by the AI, Also, the housing growth bonus for +2 Housing is 100%, over 25% for 0 housing and 50% for 1 Housing.
Hermitage = 20
Huey Teocalli = 20
Mahabodhi Temple = 20
Mausoleum at Halicarnassus = 20
Mont St. Michel = 17
Oracle = 20
Oxford University = 20
Petra = 22
Potala Palace = 20
Ruhr Valley = 21
Stonehenge = 17
Sydney Opera House =11
Terracotta Army = 20
Venetian Arsenal = 21

 

[nzcamel]

Please note; I pretty much always vote at around 9pm NZ time (12 hours ahead of Greenwich). I couldn't vote then tonight, but I will return to that time tomorrow.

Alhambra = 20
Apadana = 22
Big Ben =21
Bolshoi Theatre = 20
Broadway = 20
Chichen Itza = 20
Colosseum = 22
Colossus = 17
Cristo Redentor = 20
Eiffel Tower = 21
Estadio do Maracana = 20
Forbidden City = 24 (23+1)
Great Library = 5
Great Lighthouse = 17
Great Pyramids = 21
Great Zimbabwe = 21
Hagia Sophia = 20
Hanging Gardens =11
Hermitage = 20
Huey Teocalli = 17 (20-3)
Mahabodhi Temple = 20
Mausoleum at Halicarnassus = 20
Mont St. Michel = 17
Oracle = 20
Oxford University = 20
Petra = 22
Potala Palace = 20
Ruhr Valley = 21
Stonehenge = 17
Sydney Opera House =11
Terracotta Army = 20
Venetian Arsenal = 21

I'd agree that the extra government slot wonders are the best. Hence the one that gives you the most flexibility is king!
Huey is very situational. I don't often have much lake tiles.

 

[kaspergm]

Alhambra = 20
Apadana = 22
Big Ben =22 (+1) essentially two wonders in one. It would be worth it for the policy slot alone, and with some planning, it's worth it for the double gold also. Together, it's hand down the most OP wonder.
Bolshoi Theatre = 20
Broadway = 20
Chichen Itza = 20
Colosseum = 22
Colossus = 17
Cristo Redentor = 20
Eiffel Tower = 21
Estadio do Maracana = 20
Forbidden City = 24
Great Library = 2 (-3) ... why?
Great Lighthouse = 17
Great Pyramids = 21
Great Zimbabwe = 21
Hagia Sophia = 20
Hanging Gardens =11
Hermitage = 20
Huey Teocalli = 17
Mahabodhi Temple = 20
Mausoleum at Halicarnassus = 20
Mont St. Michel = 17
Oracle = 20
Oxford University = 20
Petra = 22
Potala Palace = 20
Ruhr Valley = 21
Stonehenge = 17
Sydney Opera House =11
Terracotta Army = 20
Venetian Arsenal = 21

 

[Guynemer]

Alhambra = 20
Apadana = 23 (+1) Extra envoys are always welcome--buffing districts at the 3 & 6 level of envoys is very underrated.
Big Ben =22
Bolshoi Theatre = 20
Broadway = 20
Chichen Itza = 20
Colosseum = 22
Colossus = 17
Cristo Redentor = 20
Eiffel Tower = 21
Estadio do Maracana = 20
Forbidden City = 24
Great Library = ELIMINATED (-3) It'd be a very good wonder, if it were able to be built earlier or the bonus extended another age into the future. But as it is, woof.
Great Lighthouse = 17
Great Pyramids = 21
Great Zimbabwe = 21
Hagia Sophia = 20
Hanging Gardens =11
Hermitage = 20
Huey Teocalli = 17
Mahabodhi Temple = 20
Mausoleum at Halicarnassus = 20
Mont St. Michel = 17
Oracle = 20
Oxford University = 20
Petra = 22
Potala Palace = 20
Ruhr Valley = 21
Stonehenge = 17
Sydney Opera House =11
Terracotta Army = 20
Venetian Arsenal = 21