World Wonder Elimination Thread

[ptzvetan]

Alhambra = 20
Apadana = 23
Big Ben =22
Bolshoi Theatre = 20
Broadway = 20
Chichen Itza = 20
Colosseum = 22
Colossus = 17
Cristo Redentor = 20
Eiffel Tower = 21
Estadio do Maracana = 20
Forbidden City = 25 (+1)
Great Library = Eliminated
Great Lighthouse = 17
Great Pyramids = 21
Great Zimbabwe = 21
Hagia Sophia = 20
Hanging Gardens =11
Hermitage = 20
Huey Teocalli = 17
Mahabodhi Temple = 20
Mausoleum at Halicarnassus = 20
Mont St. Michel = 17
Oracle = 20
Oxford University = 20
Petra = 22
Potala Palace = 20
Ruhr Valley = 21
Stonehenge = 17
Sydney Opera House =8 (-3)
Terracotta Army = 20
Venetian Arsenal = 21

 

[Shorlin]

Alhambra = 20
Apadana = 23
Big Ben =22
Bolshoi Theatre = 20
Broadway = 20
Chichen Itza = 20
Colosseum = 23 (+1)
Colossus = 17
Cristo Redentor = 20
Eiffel Tower = 21
Estadio do Maracana = 20
Forbidden City = 24
Great Lighthouse = 17
Great Pyramids = 21
Great Zimbabwe = 21
Hagia Sophia = 20
Hanging Gardens =8 (-3)
Hermitage = 20
Huey Teocalli = 17
Mahabodhi Temple = 20
Mausoleum at Halicarnassus = 20
Mont St. Michel = 17
Oracle = 20
Oxford University = 20
Petra = 22
Potala Palace = 20
Ruhr Valley = 21
Stonehenge = 17
Sydney Opera House =11
Terracotta Army = 20
Venetian Arsenal = 21

The AI doesn't often build the Colosseum so it can be delayed, bonuses are great especially with a tight city spread. Hanging Gardens is just bad, how the mighty have fallen...

 

[Felis Renidens]

Alhambra = 20
Apadana = 23
Big Ben =22
Bolshoi Theatre = 20
Broadway = 20
Chichen Itza = 20
Colosseum = 23
Colossus = 17
Cristo Redentor = 20
Eiffel Tower = 21
Estadio do Maracana = 20
Forbidden City = 24
Great Lighthouse = 17
Great Pyramids = 21
Great Zimbabwe = 21
Hagia Sophia = 20
Hanging Gardens =8
Hermitage = 20
Huey Teocalli = 17
Mahabodhi Temple = 20
Mausoleum at Halicarnassus = 20
Mont St. Michel = 17
Oracle = 20
Oxford University = 21 (+1 two techs, a place for great works, a nice quote and I really like the city IRL).
Petra = 22
Potala Palace = 20
Ruhr Valley = 21
Stonehenge = 14 (-3 a free religion to the AI, a waste of time for me, won't try it even on chieftain).
Sydney Opera House =11
Terracotta Army = 20
Venetian Arsenal = 21

Note: I don't have any DLC (besides the Aztecs) so I don't know about some of the wonders.

 

[Kimiimaro]

Alhambra = 20
Apadana = 23
Big Ben =22
Bolshoi Theatre = 20
Broadway = 20
Chichen Itza = 20
Colosseum = 23
Colossus = 17
Cristo Redentor = 20
Eiffel Tower = 21
Estadio do Maracana = 20+1=21 - Amenities and culture is nice combination, especially if you have empire with lot of cities. Comes somewhat late, yes, but its bonus is great.
Forbidden City = 24
Great Lighthouse = 17
Great Pyramids = 21
Great Zimbabwe = 21
Hagia Sophia = 20
Hanging Gardens =8
Hermitage = 20
Huey Teocalli = 17
Mahabodhi Temple = 20-3=17 - Too weak bonus. Little faith and two apostles aren't worth the production.
Mausoleum at Halicarnassus = 20
Mont St. Michel = 17
Oracle = 20
Oxford University = 21
Petra = 22
Potala Palace = 20
Ruhr Valley = 21
Stonehenge = 14
Sydney Opera House =11
Terracotta Army = 20
Venetian Arsenal = 21

 

[Amrunril]

Alhambra = 20
Apadana = 23
Big Ben =22
Bolshoi Theatre = 20
Broadway = 20
Chichen Itza = 20
Colosseum = 23
Colossus = 17
Cristo Redentor = 20
Eiffel Tower = 21
Estadio do Maracana =21
Forbidden City = 24
Great Lighthouse = 17
Great Pyramids = 21
Great Zimbabwe = 21
Hagia Sophia = 20
Hanging Gardens =8
Hermitage = 20
Huey Teocalli = 17
Mahabodhi Temple = 17
Mausoleum at Halicarnassus = 20
Mont St. Michel = 17
Oracle = 20
Oxford University = 21
Petra = 22
Potala Palace = 20
Ruhr Valley = 21
Stonehenge = 15 (14 + 1) A free religion is an incredibly powerful effect, and the fact that the AI prioritizes it doesn't make the wonder itself worse.
Sydney Opera House = 8 (11 - 3) I don't usually repeat votes early on, but in this case it's deserved. A massive investment for great musician points and slots that will often be literally worthless by the time it finishes.
Terracotta Army = 20
Venetian Arsenal = 21

 

[DWilson]

Alhambra = 20
Apadana = 23
Big Ben =22
Bolshoi Theatre = 20
Broadway = 20
Chichen Itza = 20
Colosseum = 23
Colossus = 17
Cristo Redentor = 20
Eiffel Tower = 21
Estadio do Maracana =21
Forbidden City = 24
Great Lighthouse = 17
Great Pyramids = 21
Great Zimbabwe = 21
Hagia Sophia = 20
Hanging Gardens =8
Hermitage = 20
Huey Teocalli = 17
Mahabodhi Temple = 17
Mausoleum at Halicarnassus = 20
Mont St. Michel = 17
Oracle = 20
Oxford University = 21
Petra = 22
Potala Palace = 20
Ruhr Valley = 21
Stonehenge = 15 (14 + 1) A free religion is an incredibly powerful effect, and the fact that the AI prioritizes it doesn't make the wonder itself worse.
Sydney Opera House = 8 (11 - 3) I don't usually repeat votes early on, but in this case it's deserved. A massive investment for great musician points and slots that will often be literally worthless by the time it finishes.
Terracotta Army = 20
Venetian Arsenal = 21

Ptzvetan voted a while back, but his votes weren't counted (plus FC, minus SOH). Correcting for that now before making my move.


Alhambra = 20
Apadana = 23
Big Ben =22
Bolshoi Theatre = 20
Broadway = 20
Chichen Itza = 17 (20-3, I never find a good spot to build it, and often have to remove jungle tiles, thus weakening it)
Colosseum = 24 (23+1, always a desirable build with its potent bonus, usually available to build)
Colossus = 17
Cristo Redentor = 20
Eiffel Tower = 21
Estadio do Maracana =21
Forbidden City = 25
Great Lighthouse = 17
Great Pyramids = 21
Great Zimbabwe = 21
Hagia Sophia = 20
Hanging Gardens =8
Hermitage = 20
Huey Teocalli = 17
Mahabodhi Temple = 17
Mausoleum at Halicarnassus = 20
Mont St. Michel = 17
Oracle = 20
Oxford University = 21
Petra = 22
Potala Palace = 20
Ruhr Valley = 21
Stonehenge = 15
Sydney Opera House = 5
Terracotta Army = 20
Venetian Arsenal = 21

 

[Guandao]

Alhambra = 20
Apadana = 23
Big Ben =22
Bolshoi Theatre = 20
Broadway = 20
Chichen Itza = 17
Colosseum = 24
Colossus = 17
Cristo Redentor = 20
Eiffel Tower = 21
Estadio do Maracana =21
Forbidden City = 25
Great Lighthouse = 17
Great Pyramids = 21
Great Zimbabwe = 21
Hagia Sophia = 20
Hanging Gardens =8
Hermitage = 20
Huey Teocalli = 17
Mahabodhi Temple = 17
Mausoleum at Halicarnassus = 20
Mont St. Michel = 17
Oracle = (20-3)=17 AI tends to build this early...
Oxford University = 21
Petra = 22
Potala Palace = (20+1)=21 It's nice to have an extra Diplo slot
Ruhr Valley = 21
Stonehenge = 15
Sydney Opera House = 5
Terracotta Army = 20
Venetian Arsenal = 21

 

[WillowBrook]

Alhambra = 20
Apadana = 23
Big Ben = 23 (22+1) lots of money if timed right plus a policy slot? Yes, please.
Bolshoi Theatre = 20
Broadway = 20
Chichen Itza = 17
Colosseum = 24
Colossus = 17
Cristo Redentor = 20
Eiffel Tower = 21
Estadio do Maracana =21
Forbidden City = 25
Great Lighthouse = 17
Great Pyramids = 21
Great Zimbabwe = 21
Hagia Sophia = 20
Hanging Gardens =8
Hermitage = 20
Huey Teocalli = 17
Mahabodhi Temple = 17
Mausoleum at Halicarnassus = 20
Mont St. Michel = 17
Oracle = 17
Oxford University = 21
Petra = 22
Potala Palace = 21
Ruhr Valley = 21
Stonehenge = 12 (15-3) free prophet is great, but the lack of any compensation for failing to get a wonder makes it not worth pursuing
Sydney Opera House = 5
Terracotta Army = 20
Venetian Arsenal = 21

 

[Morningcalm]

Alhambra = 20
Apadana = 23
Big Ben = 23
Bolshoi Theatre = 20 + 1 = 21 (Excellent cinematic and music, and it generates Great Music slots, which are exceedingly rare in this game--though that's an issue with the way Great Works are currently implemented, rather than the wonder itself. The cinematic was cool enough that I looked the wonder up after building it).
Broadway = 20
Chichen Itza = 17
Colosseum = 24
Colossus = 17
Cristo Redentor = 20
Eiffel Tower = 21
Estadio do Maracana =21
Forbidden City = 25
Great Lighthouse = 17
Great Pyramids = 21
Great Zimbabwe = 21
Hagia Sophia = 20
Hanging Gardens =8
Hermitage = 20
Huey Teocalli = 17 - 3 = 14 (The terrain requirements make this one of the most irritating wonders to build, sadly)
Mahabodhi Temple = 17
Mausoleum at Halicarnassus = 20
Mont St. Michel = 17
Oracle = 17
Oxford University = 21
Petra = 22
Potala Palace = 21
Ruhr Valley = 21
Stonehenge = 12
Sydney Opera House = 5
Terracotta Army = 20
Venetian Arsenal = 21

 

[helic0n]

Alhambra = 20 - 3 = 17 (sick fort, bro)
Apadana = 23
Big Ben = 23
Bolshoi Theatre = 21
Broadway = 20
Chichen Itza = 17
Colosseum = 24
Colossus = 17
Cristo Redentor = 20
Eiffel Tower = 21
Estadio do Maracana =21
Forbidden City = 25
Great Lighthouse = 17
Great Pyramids = 21
Great Zimbabwe = 21
Hagia Sophia = 20
Hanging Gardens =8
Hermitage = 20
Huey Teocalli = 14
Mahabodhi Temple = 17
Mausoleum at Halicarnassus = 20
Mont St. Michel = 17
Oracle = 17
Oxford University = 21 + 1 = 22 (pretty sure I just won a science victory)
Petra = 22
Potala Palace = 21
Ruhr Valley = 21
Stonehenge = 12
Sydney Opera House = 5
Terracotta Army = 20
Venetian Arsenal = 21

 

[Esperr]

Alhambra = 17
Apadana = 23
Big Ben = 23
Bolshoi Theatre = 21
Broadway = 20
Chichen Itza = 17
Colosseum = 24
Colossus = 17
Cristo Redentor = 20
Eiffel Tower = 21
Estadio do Maracana =21-3=18
Forbidden City = 25
Great Lighthouse = 17
Great Pyramids = 21
Great Zimbabwe = 21
Hagia Sophia = 20
Hanging Gardens =8
Hermitage = 20
Huey Teocalli = 14
Mahabodhi Temple = 17
Mausoleum at Halicarnassus = 20
Mont St. Michel = 17
Oracle = 17
Oxford University = 22
Petra = 22
Potala Palace = 21
Ruhr Valley = 21+1=22
Stonehenge = 12
Sydney Opera House = 5
Terracotta Army = 20
Venetian Arsenal = 21

Estadio has the issue of being available when the game is already over, as do most late game wonders. There is no amount of boosts that could make it relevant. Ruhr Valley is one of like...three wonders that are ever worth actively going for and its the best one by far because production is always the choke hold.

 

[Siptah]

Alhambra = 17
Apadana = 23
Big Ben = 23
Bolshoi Theatre = 21
Broadway = 17 (20-3) not the worst of the cultural wonders, but also not really a great one
Chichen Itza = 17
Colosseum = 24
Colossus = 17
Cristo Redentor = 20
Eiffel Tower = 21
Estadio do Maracana = 18
Forbidden City = 25
Great Lighthouse = 17
Great Pyramids = 21
Great Zimbabwe = 21
Hagia Sophia = 20
Hanging Gardens =8
Hermitage = 20
Huey Teocalli = 14
Mahabodhi Temple = 17
Mausoleum at Halicarnassus = 21 (20+1) only built it once, but it seemed like a good investion. My very early level 2 ironclad sunk the complete english fleet and pillaged all their RNDYs. Not to mention the GEs...
Mont St. Michel = 17
Oracle = 17
Oxford University = 22
Petra = 22
Potala Palace = 21
Ruhr Valley = 22
Stonehenge = 12
Sydney Opera House = 5
Terracotta Army = 20
Venetian Arsenal = 21

 

[Kinestic]

Alhambra = 17
Apadana = 23
Big Ben = 23
Bolshoi Theatre = 21
Broadway = 17
Chichen Itza = 17
Colosseum = 24
Colossus = 17
Cristo Redentor = 20
Eiffel Tower = 21
Estadio do Maracana = 18
Forbidden City = 25
Great Lighthouse = 17
Great Pyramids = 21
Great Zimbabwe = 21
Hagia Sophia = 20
Hanging Gardens =8
Hermitage = 20
Huey Teocalli = 14
Mahabodhi Temple = 17 - 3 = 14 The wonder bonus for this one is really bad. As a rule, I don't like to build any Wonders that won't provide a unique long term bonus. 2 Apostles and a small amount of Faith per turn, only equal to that of a standard temple? Not a chance.
Mausoleum at Halicarnassus = 21
Mont St. Michel = 17
Oracle = 17
Oxford University = 22
Petra = 22
Potala Palace = 21
Ruhr Valley = 22
Stonehenge = 12
Sydney Opera House = 5
Terracotta Army = 20
Venetian Arsenal = 21 + 1 = 22 Frigate RUSH!!! Some people don't like to exploit the AI's failure to use a navy. The Venitian Arsenal disagrees.

 

[cazaderonus]

Alhambra = 17
Apadana = 23
Big Ben = 23
Bolshoi Theatre = 21
Broadway = 17
Chichen Itza = 17
Colosseum = 24
Colossus = 17
Cristo Redentor = 20
Eiffel Tower = 21
Estadio do Maracana = 18
Forbidden City = 25
Great Lighthouse = 17
Great Pyramids = 21
Great Zimbabwe = 21 +3 = 24 (A wonder you can consistently build at high levels considering its placement conditions. Can support your entire economy and be built in a newish city that will turn into one of your empire's cornerstone. Last one i built i had 4 bonus resources (2 milk, 2 stone), which is 8gpt per trade routes, on 10 trade routes. Seriously insane.)
Hagia Sophia = 20
Hanging Gardens =8
Hermitage = 20
Huey Teocalli = 14
Mahabodhi Temple = 14
Mausoleum at Halicarnassus = 21
Mont St. Michel = 17
Oracle = 17
Oxford University = 22
Petra = 22
Potala Palace = 21
Ruhr Valley = 22
Stonehenge = 12 -3 = 9 (Only playing deity\immortal, this wonder is just to forget altogether. And its insta GP effect just trumps the GP race)
Sydney Opera House = 5
Terracotta Army = 20
Venetian Arsenal = 22

EDIT : removed comments from previous user

 

[nzcamel]

Great Zimbabwe = 21 +3 = 24 (A wonder you can consistently build at high levels considering its placement conditions. Can support your entire economy and be built in a newish city that will turn into one of your empire's cornerstone. Last one i built i had 4 bonus resources (2 milk, 2 stone), which is 8gpt per trade routes, on 10 trade routes. Seriously insane.)

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[bbbt]

Alhambra = 17
Apadana = 23
Big Ben = 23
Bolshoi Theatre = 21
Broadway = 17
Chichen Itza = 17
Colosseum = 24
Colossus = 17
Cristo Redentor = 20
Eiffel Tower = 21
Estadio do Maracana = 18
Forbidden City = 25
Great Lighthouse = 17
Great Pyramids = 21
Great Zimbabwe = 21 +1 = 22 (Corrected per above comment))
Hagia Sophia = 20
Hanging Gardens =8
Hermitage = 20
Huey Teocalli = 14
Mahabodhi Temple = 15 (14 + 1) Has a specific niche - mid-level difficulties (i.e. King/Emperor) where you want to snag a set of religious beliefs without too much investment in faith infrastructure early game. I.e. holy site + project for relgion, then focus on expansion and infrastructure, then build this wonder to get your apostles, then back to infrastructure (and expand holy sites more mid-game). Low-level difficulties you don't need it, High-level difficulties you won't get it (the AI likes it) and probably shouldn't be getting a religion without a massive faith source anyways.
Mausoleum at Halicarnassus = 21
Mont St. Michel = 17
Oracle = 17
Oxford University = 22
Petra = 22
Potala Palace = 21
Ruhr Valley = 22
Stonehenge = 6 (9-3) Conversely, this has no niche: low-level difficulties you don't need it, high-level difficulties you won't get it. On top of that, can't build missionaries/apostles without a holy site anyways, so this isn't that helpful.
Sydney Opera House = 5
Terracotta Army = 20
Venetian Arsenal = 22

 

[CPWimmer]

Alhambra = 17
Apadana = 23
Big Ben = 23
Bolshoi Theatre = 21
Broadway = 17
Chichen Itza = 17
Colosseum = 24
Colossus = 17
Cristo Redentor = 20
Eiffel Tower = 21
Estadio do Maracana = 18
Forbidden City = 25
Great Lighthouse = 17
Great Pyramids = 21
Great Zimbabwe = 22
Hagia Sophia = 20
Hanging Gardens =8
Hermitage = 20
Huey Teocalli = 14
Mahabodhi Temple = 15
Mausoleum at Halicarnassus = 21
Mont St. Michel = 17
Oracle = 17
Oxford University = 22
Petra = 22
Potala Palace = 21
Ruhr Valley = 22
Stonehenge = 7 = 6+1 An interesting dilemma, is it bad because the AI goes after it so aggressively, or does the AI go after it so aggressively because it's actually a strong wonder? Certainly a trap for the human player on higher difficulty levels, but not the worst wonder in my opinion.
Sydney Opera House = 2 = 5-3 Love the real building, but it's implementation is poor due to overall impact in the game.
Terracotta Army = 20
Venetian Arsenal = 22

 

[kaspergm]

Alhambra = 17
Apadana = 23
Big Ben = 23 +1 = 24 ... same reasons as above: Economic policy card = superwin, double gold = superwin, economic slot AND double gold = mindblown.
Bolshoi Theatre = 21
Broadway = 17
Chichen Itza = 17
Colosseum = 24
Colossus = 17
Cristo Redentor = 20
Eiffel Tower = 21
Estadio do Maracana = 18
Forbidden City = 25
Great Lighthouse = 17
Great Pyramids = 21
Great Zimbabwe = 22
Hagia Sophia = 20
Hanging Gardens =8
Hermitage = 20
Huey Teocalli = 14
Mahabodhi Temple = 15
Mausoleum at Halicarnassus = 21
Mont St. Michel = 17
Oracle = 17
Oxford University = 22
Petra = 22
Potala Palace = 21
Ruhr Valley = 22
Stonehenge = 7
Sydney Opera House 2 - 3 = -1 ELIMINATED
Terracotta Army = 20
Venetian Arsenal = 22

 

[Felis Renidens]

24 hours passed. now:

Alhambra = 17
Apadana = 23
Big Ben = 24
Bolshoi Theatre = 21
Broadway = 17
Chichen Itza = 17
Colosseum = 24
Colossus = 17
Cristo Redentor = 20
Eiffel Tower = 21
Estadio do Maracana = 18
Forbidden City = 25
Great Lighthouse = 17
Great Pyramids = 21
Great Zimbabwe = 22
Hagia Sophia = 20
Hanging Gardens =8
Hermitage = 20
Huey Teocalli = 14
Mahabodhi Temple = 16 (15+1) - I'll join the efforts to heal it because it helps me get the extra traits to my religion without sacrificing faith.
Mausoleum at Halicarnassus = 21
Mont St. Michel = 14 (-3). It's cool but actually quite useless. I rarely have an apostle killed in theological combat.
Oracle = 17
Oxford University = 22
Petra = 22
Potala Palace = 21
Ruhr Valley = 22
Stonehenge = 7
---Sydney Opera House = -1 ---
Terracotta Army = 20
Venetian Arsenal = 22

 

[DWilson]

Alhambra = 17
Apadana = 23
Big Ben = 24
Bolshoi Theatre = 21
Broadway = 17
Chichen Itza = 17
Colosseum = 24
Colossus = 17
Cristo Redentor = 20
Eiffel Tower = 21
Estadio do Maracana = 18
Forbidden City = 25
Great Lighthouse = 17
Great Pyramids = 21
Great Zimbabwe = 22
Hagia Sophia = 20
Hanging Gardens =8
Hermitage = 20
Huey Teocalli = 14
Mahabodhi Temple = 16
Mausoleum at Halicarnassus = 22 (21+1, a vote for shear power of the bonuses thanks to the doubling of charges on engineers in particular)
Mont St. Michel = 14
Oracle = 17
Oxford University = 22
Petra = 22
Potala Palace = 21
Ruhr Valley = 22
Stonehenge = 7
Terracotta Army = 17 (20-3, I've never built this for the sake of the bonus, and I think that's a sign of how insignificant the bonus is. Perhaps not the worst wonder, but we're early enough along that I don't feel the need to be precise yet).
Venetian Arsenal = 22