WOTm 07 Final Spoiler
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contender, space in 1764
settled on the bananas, got the copper as well which became a great production city. Had some early confusion and was a little slow in the early war--took Alex around 350BC.
At this point all but Egypt are Hindu and that was next victim with cats/mace/el. Hannibal was tech leader and DOW'd Ramsess right before I did--I had to bribe him to make peace to avoid Ramsess cap to him or him getting cities.
My plan was to keep good relations for trading and to avoid any more wars, it worked pretty well. I had Sal friendly all game and Zulu mostly as well which got me a few extra tech trades.
Only speed bump I had was some major culture problems with Sal--he bombed me twice in my newly captured Egyptian lands which flipped a city and rendered another useless. I carelessly almost lost Pasargadae, the horse city to a culture flip as it was not garrisoned heavily. I don't think I've ever had a native city with >1000 culture and maybe 15/turn revolt in the fourth ring before.
Was able to build the GL with the help of a marble trade and also SL.
Overall I was pretty happy with my game.
settled on the bananas, got the copper as well which became a great production city. Had some early confusion and was a little slow in the early war--took Alex around 350BC.
At this point all but Egypt are Hindu and that was next victim with cats/mace/el. Hannibal was tech leader and DOW'd Ramsess right before I did--I had to bribe him to make peace to avoid Ramsess cap to him or him getting cities.
My plan was to keep good relations for trading and to avoid any more wars, it worked pretty well. I had Sal friendly all game and Zulu mostly as well which got me a few extra tech trades.
Only speed bump I had was some major culture problems with Sal--he bombed me twice in my newly captured Egyptian lands which flipped a city and rendered another useless. I carelessly almost lost Pasargadae, the horse city to a culture flip as it was not garrisoned heavily. I don't think I've ever had a native city with >1000 culture and maybe 15/turn revolt in the fourth ring before.
Was able to build the GL with the help of a marble trade and also SL.
Overall I was pretty happy with my game.
pigswill
fly (one day)
1819 conquest defeat. Details of my defeat aren't that interesting, I was playing two levels above my 'comfort zone' and it showed.
However I ran into a major problem in that my 920ad save got corrupted
and I thought it was game over so I'd like to thank AlanH, ainwood and Gyathaar 
for fixing the save (even though I lost anyway 
).
However I ran into a major problem in that my 920ad save got corrupted
and I thought it was game over so I'd like to thank AlanH, ainwood and Gyathaar for fixing the save (even though I lost anyway ).urbis
Chieftain
What an epic game! Conratulations to all those who managed a victory - this is the hardest game level I've tried and my first GOTM defeat.
I think I played a pretty good game - conquered Cathargians and Zulus, adopted Saladin's buddhism to keep him allied (which allowed a defensive pact twice, both times activated and allowing victorious wars). The Romans looked worrying but Saladin attacked them and I joined in - we each took several cities (turned out to be hard work to avoid cultural flips back to him) and he then became Saladin's vassal.
By this time it was a race between Egypt, Saladin and me. Saladin attacked Greece so I took the opportunity to conquer most of Egypt.
End game was me vs Saladin, with my empire being slightly larger and with slightly better manufacturing, but his army was about triple mine and he was ahead in tech. Hoped to catch up and/or get a diplo victory but he declared on me and never accepted peace.
Played a long hard defense that would have made the Spartans proud at Thermopylae, but it was always a losing battle vs superior numbers and tech. Used tanks and marines to hold off his artillery and tanks for ages, but his gunships and planes tipped the balance as I was some way off any air defense units. War weariness was crippling my economy, and although I managed heroic raids razing 2 large Roman cities, and lost/recaptured my gold city about a dozen times (couldn't attack him on the hill but could crush his units in the city), I was losing on all the graphs.
Ran out of time and decided to submit a retired game, but it looked likely the outcome would be a Saladin win either by space race or nukes.
An excellent game - thanks GOTM staff.
I think I played a pretty good game - conquered Cathargians and Zulus, adopted Saladin's buddhism to keep him allied (which allowed a defensive pact twice, both times activated and allowing victorious wars). The Romans looked worrying but Saladin attacked them and I joined in - we each took several cities (turned out to be hard work to avoid cultural flips back to him) and he then became Saladin's vassal.
By this time it was a race between Egypt, Saladin and me. Saladin attacked Greece so I took the opportunity to conquer most of Egypt.
End game was me vs Saladin, with my empire being slightly larger and with slightly better manufacturing, but his army was about triple mine and he was ahead in tech. Hoped to catch up and/or get a diplo victory but he declared on me and never accepted peace.
Played a long hard defense that would have made the Spartans proud at Thermopylae, but it was always a losing battle vs superior numbers and tech. Used tanks and marines to hold off his artillery and tanks for ages, but his gunships and planes tipped the balance as I was some way off any air defense units. War weariness was crippling my economy, and although I managed heroic raids razing 2 large Roman cities, and lost/recaptured my gold city about a dozen times (couldn't attack him on the hill but could crush his units in the city), I was losing on all the graphs.
Ran out of time and decided to submit a retired game, but it looked likely the outcome would be a Saladin win either by space race or nukes.
An excellent game - thanks GOTM staff.
Just submitted - 1831 space race. I've played some GOTMs before, but never actually finished one, so I was able to play adventurer class. The game was a blast, but finishing the space race was really the least interesting part. 
I started by settling on the grassland hill two tiles SW of the starting position after moving there with the intent of settling on the banana after checking out the surrounding terrain. The two golds changed my mind. I was delighted to see that I'd managed to get horses in my starting city radius also, so went ahead and made some early Immortals to rush my neighbors. I eventually took out Saladin in 130 BC and then all but one of Alexander's cities, but it took a while - Alex capitulated in 785 AD...three turns after I discovered Liberalism. Hannibal was insane with tech early and Augustus Caesar was crushing Shaka, so I started to go for Liberalism well before 1 AD. The real turning point, though, was 1085 AD, when I finished the Taj Mahal. Normally I use golden ages to build up an army and invade, but this time I decided to be more prudent and use it to prepare for a space race victory instead. There was no reasonable way to expect to win a war and have a positive GNP at the same time, I realized, so I just teched along from that point on, relying on sending out as many missionaries as possible, with the only real excitement in the rest of the game Hannibal declaring war on Ramesses. I had a mad scramble to promote all my Axemen, Spearmen and Warriors to Infantry after Hannibal switched to Police State, but either I managed to deter him from me or he wasn't planning to attack me anyway.
A fun and challenging game, with a very quirky map. I love Immortals as a field unit; they're wonderful at picking off loose Archers and pillaging. I have a newfound respect for the Free Speech civic, too - Bureaucracy is nice, but the starting location wasn't strong enough to compete with boosting over 100 towns.
I started by settling on the grassland hill two tiles SW of the starting position after moving there with the intent of settling on the banana after checking out the surrounding terrain. The two golds changed my mind. I was delighted to see that I'd managed to get horses in my starting city radius also, so went ahead and made some early Immortals to rush my neighbors. I eventually took out Saladin in 130 BC and then all but one of Alexander's cities, but it took a while - Alex capitulated in 785 AD...three turns after I discovered Liberalism.
Hannibal was insane with tech early and Augustus Caesar was crushing Shaka, so I started to go for Liberalism well before 1 AD. The real turning point, though, was 1085 AD, when I finished the Taj Mahal. Normally I use golden ages to build up an army and invade, but this time I decided to be more prudent and use it to prepare for a space race victory instead. There was no reasonable way to expect to win a war and have a positive GNP at the same time, I realized, so I just teched along from that point on, relying on sending out as many missionaries as possible, with the only real excitement in the rest of the game Hannibal declaring war on Ramesses. I had a mad scramble to promote all my Axemen, Spearmen and Warriors to Infantry after Hannibal switched to Police State, but either I managed to deter him from me or he wasn't planning to attack me anyway.A fun and challenging game, with a very quirky map. I love Immortals as a field unit; they're wonderful at picking off loose Archers and pillaging. I have a newfound respect for the Free Speech civic, too - Bureaucracy is nice, but the starting location wasn't strong enough to compete with boosting over 100 towns.
Hmpf- Springtime in Denver and Civ don't always mix... I might not be able to keep up so much for awhile...
Anyway, I finished with a domination victory in the early 1300's. Having pillaged everyone but Egypt we were poised to go ahead and conquer everyone. Unfortunately I went wayyy overboard in dealing with the financial side of domination.
-I honestly did think the Temple of Artemis gave +100% trade route income everywhere. Sure, it helped us get GP's and start a GA, but chopping all those forests around Mecca for Immortals very early would have been more effective.
-Markets and courthouses everywhere... how many do you need? I had way too many. A forbidden palace and a couple specialized commerce towns would have pretty much done it. As it was I finished with over 1200g and turning a profit at 0% science. It was overkill.
So. All that commerce infrastructure meant Shaka destroyed a lot of our forces in our first war with him. It meant Rome had plenty of time to build Longbows, Maces and Praetorians while we re-built, and it took two wars to eliminate him. The shortage of forces slowed down the conquest of Greece, which eventually did become another vassal. Carthage was building muskets so I decided to leave them alone. The final battle vs. Egypt was decisive however. An amphibious assault across the lake from the capitol to take Alexandria, then march from the north and south with swarms of Trebuchets, longbows, maces, whatever we had. Those trebuchets really do the trick, it was a massacre, stacks of Egyptians units fell until we hit the limit. I was a little disappointed that my strategy turned out to be off-target, but this was a very fun game, thanks to the staff!!!
When people see my score- my highest yet by far- they might think I was milking it. Nope. I really was going for fast domination. Having a huge population is my way of boosting production and commerce. I'm not saying it's necessarily the best method, it's just what I do.
Anyway, I finished with a domination victory in the early 1300's. Having pillaged everyone but Egypt we were poised to go ahead and conquer everyone. Unfortunately I went wayyy overboard in dealing with the financial side of domination.
-I honestly did think the Temple of Artemis gave +100% trade route income everywhere. Sure, it helped us get GP's and start a GA, but chopping all those forests around Mecca for Immortals very early would have been more effective.
-Markets and courthouses everywhere... how many do you need? I had way too many. A forbidden palace and a couple specialized commerce towns would have pretty much done it. As it was I finished with over 1200g and turning a profit at 0% science. It was overkill.
So. All that commerce infrastructure meant Shaka destroyed a lot of our forces in our first war with him. It meant Rome had plenty of time to build Longbows, Maces and Praetorians while we re-built, and it took two wars to eliminate him. The shortage of forces slowed down the conquest of Greece, which eventually did become another vassal. Carthage was building muskets so I decided to leave them alone. The final battle vs. Egypt was decisive however. An amphibious assault across the lake from the capitol to take Alexandria, then march from the north and south with swarms of Trebuchets, longbows, maces, whatever we had. Those trebuchets really do the trick, it was a massacre, stacks of Egyptians units fell until we hit the limit. I was a little disappointed that my strategy turned out to be off-target, but this was a very fun game, thanks to the staff!!!
When people see my score- my highest yet by far- they might think I was milking it. Nope. I really was going for fast domination. Having a huge population is my way of boosting production and commerce. I'm not saying it's necessarily the best method, it's just what I do.
Seriously! You read AU_Armageddon’s first spoiler (NOT the final one) and he did exactly the same as me (or was it me doing exactly the same as him?) at first. Moved the settler the same way for the same reasons and spent the same half an hour staring at the gold before settling in exactly the same place as me (on the hill to get the two gold) for the same reasons.
After that something funny happened to the timeline. I think I must be living in the wrong universe of something judging by the way his game went up and up and up and mine went down and up and up and down to the final conquest defeat.
No Copper
I did the usual military thing and researched AH and BW while trying to spam immortals (though for some reason not having enough to feel secure declaring war until relatively late). And the first target was Shaka, due to his rudely placing uMgungwotsit in MY rightful territory, as shown in the screenshot.
Unfortunately the screenie shows my big problem. Caesar has nicked the copper NE of uMugungungugungagagOhSodIt, while Alexander has blocked off the one W of Persepolis. I can’t actually remember why I’d declared war on Alex (it was nearly a month ago) but I had done so for some reason.
That’s when things went downhill. The obvious solution would’ve been to found a city along the coast by the copper but I was totally fixated on the idea that I had to have Sparta coz it was such a great location. Trouble was, Sparta being on a hill and defended by a lot of archers, I wasn’t going to be able to take it any time soon. So I pillaged Greek lands. I captured Corinth on the far west coast, founded my great person farm north of Persepolis. And still I had no copper. Eventually I gave up and made peace with Alexander coz that war was going nowhere, at which point I suddenly got access to the copper. Oh. My longrunning war had become a war to secure a copper supply and all I’d needed was to make peace and I’d instantly have the copper anyway.
I thought I’d need open borders to get it through Alex’s territory, which there was clearly no chance of securing with Alexander now. One day I’m going to understand the strange rules Civ has for trade routes, but clearly it wasn’t to be that day.
Shortly afterwards Alexander declared on me again. I have two axes but no copper again.
Then the year 160BC happened.
Anyone of a compassionate disposition – you don’t want to read the following
I somehow didn’t notice that Alex had four archers not two archers converging on Corinth, and so didn’t up its defences. Bye bye Corinth.
The same turn, my forces in the East failed to take Navajo from Shaka. Both axes lost, one of them not causing any damage at all to the defending archer, despite an 80% victory chance. Next turn there’s a sword in the city. I do not have and without copper cannot build anything that’ll touch that.
It’s nearly 0AD and I still have only three cities. And (now) next to no army either.
If this had been a private game, at this point I’d have given up on the game as a lost cause. But this a GOTM, so I carried on. I redoubled my efforts. I carefully eeked out every but of tactical advantage, superior military tactics, tech trading, etc. in order to pull off my spectacular comeback.
Oh. And lost the game.
But that’s getting ahead of the story.
Coming Through Again...
By 500AD, through careful play, constant warring, etc. I was slowly pulling through. In a succession of wars, I was wearing Alexander down to nothing, and had knocked the Zulus back to a far corner of the continent, and Saladin too was starting to feel the force of my catapults and swords. When I discovered Civil Service I managed to trade it to get myself rough tech parity with everyone. At some point I stopped being last, and slowly moved through the ranks into 3rd place.
The problem was Hannibal. He was roaring ahead of everyone else. He had Egypt as a vassal. I kept thinking I ought to declare on him to knock him down a bit, but there never seemed to be a right moment to do it (where ‘right moment’ = a moment when a war wouldn’t inevitably result in a swift conquest defeat. For me.) But I had a cunning plan. If I could slowly take out all the weaker civs, eventually I’d be Hannibal’s equal, and then I might pull off the game. I just had to make sure he never went to war with me in the meantime.
A Tale of War, Treachery, More War, and More War
Somwhere around 1500 I was just gearing up for another attack on Saladin when the war bugle blared out. Rome had declared war. Eeek! Rome could knock me out easily.
Phew! Rome had declared war on Saladin, not me. I redoubled my forces buildup, ready to add my own declaration. Just hope Rome doesn’t actually take any cities before I have a chance to nab them.
Oh no! The war bugle again. Hannibal declares war…..
Oh the suspense
…. on Rome
Phew!
My forces are ready. The time is ripe for me to move in on a weakened Saladin.
At this point I made probably the single best decision of the entire game:
I decided to check the diplomacy screen just before I declared war on Saladin, and discovered why Hannibal had declared on Rome: Saladin had vassaled to Hannibal.
That kinda buggers up my plan to declare on Saladin a teensy bit. Hannibal has rather a lot of infantry and cavalry marching past my archer-defended cities en route to Rome.
Well there’s only one thing for it. An opportunity like this can’t be missed.
I declare war … on Rome.
Thanks largely to Hannibal razing Roman cities I’m now in 2nd place in score. Whooopiee! (No, not Goldberg, just whooopiee!)
I had a couple of delicious turns, allowing Hannibal to weaken all the forces around Cumae before I came and took the city. Thanks mate! I’d have had no chance of taking it on my own.
Next turn Rome took it back.
Oooopsie!
Then suddenly peace breaks out all round coz Rome has capitulated to Hannibal.
Bigger ooooopsie!
OK. My plan now is to keep buttering up Hannibal in the hope that he never declares war. Maybe I’ll somehow get ahead by keeping high science, and taking out Saladin as soon as he unvassals himself.
I think my plan lasted about 3 turns before Hannibal declared war….
… on me.
No fair! What have I ever done to him? Can’t he declare war on Shaka instead? Get himself another vassal to add to the sixty-seven or something he's already got?
At this point the game is lost. I’ve survived pretty tight corners before, but Hannibal now has tanks. Thousands of them. And I have cannon and grenadiers. There’s really no point me even trying to resist. I do an experiment in which I discover it takes 3 cannon to kill a tank. At that rate I can probably inflict some very serious damage on about 0.0000001% of his army before I have no forces left. And with all his vassals Hannibal is near-simultaneously entering my borders on all sides.
A very few turns later it’s over. Conquest defeat in 1673AD, for a final score of 1583. Sparta was the last city to fall.
With hindsight I think I played a pretty decent game in the AD years, but the game was by that point already doomed by my failure to get a decent empire together during the BC years. On Immortal with Warlords-AI-intelligence, that’s just about impossible to recover from.
After that something funny happened to the timeline. I think I must be living in the wrong universe of something judging by the way his game went up and up and up and mine went down and up and up and down to the final conquest defeat.
No Copper
I did the usual military thing and researched AH and BW while trying to spam immortals (though for some reason not having enough to feel secure declaring war until relatively late). And the first target was Shaka, due to his rudely placing uMgungwotsit in MY rightful territory, as shown in the screenshot.
Unfortunately the screenie shows my big problem. Caesar has nicked the copper NE of uMugungungugungagagOhSodIt, while Alexander has blocked off the one W of Persepolis. I can’t actually remember why I’d declared war on Alex (it was nearly a month ago) but I had done so for some reason.
That’s when things went downhill. The obvious solution would’ve been to found a city along the coast by the copper but I was totally fixated on the idea that I had to have Sparta coz it was such a great location. Trouble was, Sparta being on a hill and defended by a lot of archers, I wasn’t going to be able to take it any time soon. So I pillaged Greek lands. I captured Corinth on the far west coast, founded my great person farm north of Persepolis. And still I had no copper. Eventually I gave up and made peace with Alexander coz that war was going nowhere, at which point I suddenly got access to the copper. Oh. My longrunning war had become a war to secure a copper supply and all I’d needed was to make peace and I’d instantly have the copper anyway.
I thought I’d need open borders to get it through Alex’s territory, which there was clearly no chance of securing with Alexander now. One day I’m going to understand the strange rules Civ has for trade routes, but clearly it wasn’t to be that day.Shortly afterwards Alexander declared on me again. I have two axes but no copper again.
Then the year 160BC happened.
Anyone of a compassionate disposition – you don’t want to read the following
I somehow didn’t notice that Alex had four archers not two archers converging on Corinth, and so didn’t up its defences. Bye bye Corinth.
The same turn, my forces in the East failed to take Navajo from Shaka. Both axes lost, one of them not causing any damage at all to the defending archer, despite an 80% victory chance. Next turn there’s a sword in the city. I do not have and without copper cannot build anything that’ll touch that.
It’s nearly 0AD and I still have only three cities. And (now) next to no army either.
If this had been a private game, at this point I’d have given up on the game as a lost cause. But this a GOTM, so I carried on. I redoubled my efforts. I carefully eeked out every but of tactical advantage, superior military tactics, tech trading, etc. in order to pull off my spectacular comeback.
Oh. And lost the game.
But that’s getting ahead of the story.
Coming Through Again...
By 500AD, through careful play, constant warring, etc. I was slowly pulling through. In a succession of wars, I was wearing Alexander down to nothing, and had knocked the Zulus back to a far corner of the continent, and Saladin too was starting to feel the force of my catapults and swords. When I discovered Civil Service I managed to trade it to get myself rough tech parity with everyone. At some point I stopped being last, and slowly moved through the ranks into 3rd place.
The problem was Hannibal. He was roaring ahead of everyone else. He had Egypt as a vassal. I kept thinking I ought to declare on him to knock him down a bit, but there never seemed to be a right moment to do it (where ‘right moment’ = a moment when a war wouldn’t inevitably result in a swift conquest defeat. For me.) But I had a cunning plan. If I could slowly take out all the weaker civs, eventually I’d be Hannibal’s equal, and then I might pull off the game. I just had to make sure he never went to war with me in the meantime.
A Tale of War, Treachery, More War, and More War
Somwhere around 1500 I was just gearing up for another attack on Saladin when the war bugle blared out. Rome had declared war. Eeek! Rome could knock me out easily.
Phew! Rome had declared war on Saladin, not me. I redoubled my forces buildup, ready to add my own declaration. Just hope Rome doesn’t actually take any cities before I have a chance to nab them.
Oh no! The war bugle again. Hannibal declares war…..
Oh the suspense
…. on Rome
Phew!
My forces are ready. The time is ripe for me to move in on a weakened Saladin.
At this point I made probably the single best decision of the entire game:
I decided to check the diplomacy screen just before I declared war on Saladin, and discovered why Hannibal had declared on Rome: Saladin had vassaled to Hannibal.
That kinda buggers up my plan to declare on Saladin a teensy bit. Hannibal has rather a lot of infantry and cavalry marching past my archer-defended cities en route to Rome.
Well there’s only one thing for it. An opportunity like this can’t be missed.
I declare war … on Rome.
Thanks largely to Hannibal razing Roman cities I’m now in 2nd place in score. Whooopiee! (No, not Goldberg, just whooopiee!)
I had a couple of delicious turns, allowing Hannibal to weaken all the forces around Cumae before I came and took the city. Thanks mate! I’d have had no chance of taking it on my own.
Next turn Rome took it back.
Oooopsie!
Then suddenly peace breaks out all round coz Rome has capitulated to Hannibal.
Bigger ooooopsie!
OK. My plan now is to keep buttering up Hannibal in the hope that he never declares war. Maybe I’ll somehow get ahead by keeping high science, and taking out Saladin as soon as he unvassals himself.
I think my plan lasted about 3 turns before Hannibal declared war….
… on me.
No fair! What have I ever done to him? Can’t he declare war on Shaka instead? Get himself another vassal to add to the sixty-seven or something he's already got?
At this point the game is lost. I’ve survived pretty tight corners before, but Hannibal now has tanks. Thousands of them. And I have cannon and grenadiers. There’s really no point me even trying to resist. I do an experiment in which I discover it takes 3 cannon to kill a tank. At that rate I can probably inflict some very serious damage on about 0.0000001% of his army before I have no forces left. And with all his vassals Hannibal is near-simultaneously entering my borders on all sides.
A very few turns later it’s over. Conquest defeat in 1673AD, for a final score of 1583. Sparta was the last city to fall.
With hindsight I think I played a pretty decent game in the AD years, but the game was by that point already doomed by my failure to get a decent empire together during the BC years. On Immortal with Warlords-AI-intelligence, that’s just about impossible to recover from.
The Mad Swede
Chieftain
Always a pleasure to read your spoilers, Mr DynamicSpirit, sir. Too bad you lost.
Your game seems pretty similar to my practice game for this WOTM where I was fighting little wars all over the place, eventually getting into a good position where victory was dependent on not getting declared on by Brennus who had vassalized half the world and had a ridiculous power rating. Eventually of course he struck and pulverised me in no time.
The actual WOTM7 turned into nothing for me and I'm not even submitting for the first time ever since I started playing.
Your game seems pretty similar to my practice game for this WOTM where I was fighting little wars all over the place, eventually getting into a good position where victory was dependent on not getting declared on by Brennus who had vassalized half the world and had a ridiculous power rating. Eventually of course he struck and pulverised me in no time.
The actual WOTM7 turned into nothing for me and I'm not even submitting for the first time ever since I started playing.
My first submitted gotm
Very exiting game, think ive never had so much paranoia in a civ game before
I settled on spot, surely there had to be some iron or other goodies to compesate for the just two hills (iirc) but no... only settled one more town, and that was at the sweet spot with two gold, it stole few tiles from cap incl food res. and became my nr1 military city throughout the game
Anyway, it was obvious the immortals should be used, and fast for best effect, charged saladin first, he had founded largest relig and had also stonehenge, perfect, he fell pretty fast, and i didnt raze any citys, left him with just a tundra city.
So my first goal worked, after scouting a bit more i started drooling over Athens, damn it was nice
Rushed some more Immortals for it seeing he still had just archers, to my horror i saw he had copper, phalanx`s would ruin it for sure, he only made one unit with the copper and it was.... an axe, pheew
Took 4 cities from him i think, razed two others, that was all my economy could bare, that upped my citys to about 10-11, it was time for peace, and develop the new lands.
Bigges ais was especially Hannibal then Egypt, Rome wasent so big in area, but their power was huge also, while building city improvements my main goal was to be friendly with Rome, and that worked fine since he had my relig, i build missonaires to all citys in rome and egypt, could rarely get open borders with Hannibal, despite my efforts egypt wouldent convert tho, but the gold was still nice from relig wonder.
Zulu was smallest, but still he attacked me twice in game, first time it was bit dangerous, but a few warelephants repelled him, second time i took two citys from him iirc.
Next plan was to rush Rome, who had Saladin and Alexander as vassals too, with grenadiers, despite he was my ally, i figured he was only one possible to attack with succes, build up army of grenadiers+trebuches, but shortly before launch he had em too and 3x my power especially hes huge amount of collateral damage weapons scared me, plus hes vassals was there too
Plan canceled, next was surprise by Infantry+cannons, but again he got em before i was ready, same with tanks, hes citys was swarming with choppers
It was late 1700`s now and i was beginning to see i would lose game if something drastical didnt happen, since Hannibal was well on the way suddenly on hes spaceship, i teched like mad to get Mech inf`s first, and i did, 15 more turns and i would have modern armors too, yay, and finally i could use all those abosolete units for something, then zero teching for long time, and i graded my huge amounts of infantrys and tanks, cost around 30K gold iirc, that gave me huge power, and i now had largest as single civ.
So plan was changed, i would lose if i didnt deal with Hannibal first, urgh
I had to place around a third of my army in the south to safeguard against mainly Rome and hes vassals in the southern tundra, who now had free relig and was cautius.
While grading units Hannibal finished Manhatten project,
, i rushed SDI asap, and 2-3 turns before i was ready i bribed Egypt to attack Hannibal, pulling hes forces to the northwest, while i came from south abit later, the round after many nukes rained down on egypt, leaving just 2-3 citys not harmed, Egypt fired too, but Hannibal had also SDI, and he was 3 components short of space victory.
around 1850 i attacked with two big stacks, and it went great in blitzkrieg style, first two citys i waited for artillery to get along with the two move armys, but, sacrificing 2-3 MAs with collateral dam promotions first seemed lot faster. and speed was important since warweariness quickly became mad, with +25 unhappiness or more in all towns.
Around 1870 Hannibal was destroyed
I pulled army back south to med up and prepare to attack rome, again i needed large amounts of units to fight back hes vassals from south, while attacking east towards rome, my army wasent that big anymore after the hard war vs Hannibal, but still bigger than Romes.
Rome was wiped of continent in around 1885, and became my vassal on a small tundra island hes vassals was destroyed, i was close to domination win, needed few % land still, i prepared to attack egypt, but before i was ready, i hit the needed % land, weee 
Very exiting game, think ive never had so much paranoia in a civ game before
I settled on spot, surely there had to be some iron or other goodies to compesate for the just two hills (iirc) but no... only settled one more town, and that was at the sweet spot
with two gold, it stole few tiles from cap incl food res. and became my nr1 military city throughout the gameAnyway, it was obvious the immortals should be used, and fast for best effect, charged saladin first, he had founded largest relig and had also stonehenge, perfect, he fell pretty fast, and i didnt raze any citys, left him with just a tundra city.
So my first goal worked, after scouting a bit more i started drooling over Athens, damn it was nice
Rushed some more Immortals for it seeing he still had just archers, to my horror i saw he had copper, phalanx`s would ruin it for sure, he only made one unit with the copper and it was.... an axe, pheew
Took 4 cities from him i think, razed two others, that was all my economy could bare, that upped my citys to about 10-11, it was time for peace, and develop the new lands.
Bigges ais was especially Hannibal then Egypt, Rome wasent so big in area, but their power was huge also, while building city improvements my main goal was to be friendly with Rome, and that worked fine since he had my relig, i build missonaires to all citys in rome and egypt, could rarely get open borders with Hannibal, despite my efforts egypt wouldent convert tho, but the gold was still nice from relig wonder.
Zulu was smallest, but still he attacked me twice in game, first time it was bit dangerous, but a few warelephants repelled him, second time i took two citys from him iirc.
Next plan was to rush Rome, who had Saladin and Alexander as vassals too, with grenadiers, despite he was my ally, i figured he was only one possible to attack with succes, build up army of grenadiers+trebuches, but shortly before launch he had em too and 3x my power especially hes huge amount of collateral damage weapons scared me, plus hes vassals was there too
Plan canceled, next was surprise by Infantry+cannons, but again he got em before i was ready, same with tanks, hes citys was swarming with choppers
It was late 1700`s now and i was beginning to see i would lose game if something drastical didnt happen, since Hannibal was well on the way suddenly on hes spaceship, i teched like mad to get Mech inf`s first, and i did, 15 more turns and i would have modern armors too, yay, and finally i could use all those abosolete units for something, then zero teching for long time, and i graded my huge amounts of infantrys and tanks, cost around 30K gold iirc, that gave me huge power, and i now had largest as single civ.
So plan was changed, i would lose if i didnt deal with Hannibal first, urgh
I had to place around a third of my army in the south to safeguard against mainly Rome and hes vassals in the southern tundra, who now had free relig and was cautius.
While grading units Hannibal finished Manhatten project,
, i rushed SDI asap, and 2-3 turns before i was ready i bribed Egypt to attack Hannibal, pulling hes forces to the northwest, while i came from south abit later, the round after many nukes rained down on egypt, leaving just 2-3 citys not harmed, Egypt fired too, but Hannibal had also SDI, and he was 3 components short of space victory.around 1850 i attacked with two big stacks, and it went great in blitzkrieg style, first two citys i waited for artillery to get along with the two move armys, but, sacrificing 2-3 MAs with collateral dam promotions first seemed lot faster. and speed was important since warweariness quickly became mad, with +25 unhappiness or more in all towns.
Around 1870 Hannibal was destroyed
I pulled army back south to med up and prepare to attack rome, again i needed large amounts of units to fight back hes vassals from south, while attacking east towards rome, my army wasent that big anymore after the hard war vs Hannibal, but still bigger than Romes.
Rome was wiped of continent in around 1885, and became my vassal on a small tundra island
hes vassals was destroyed, i was close to domination win, needed few % land still, i prepared to attack egypt, but before i was ready, i hit the needed % land, weee 
Fugl - nice, congratulations! Did you manage to stop the AI from pillaging improvements with their air units? If so, did you use interceptors or SAM/M.Inf? This is one of the few areas where the AI is better than humans regarding warfare (IMHO), and I typically loose alot of tile improvements since I don't manage to predict all possible attack vectors. I would appreciate any hints on how/if you managed to control the damage.
Thanks
Hannibal did quite alot of bombings in the north, destroying lux mostly, but he could only reach two citys with em, i did have some sam inf`s and mech infs out there but not quite enough, my big amount of workers repaired most the same round or one after tho, with a mechinf or two guarding them on top, it also helped alot i made egypt attack first to draw many of his forces away from me
Hannibal did quite alot of bombings in the north, destroying lux mostly, but he could only reach two citys with em, i did have some sam inf`s and mech infs out there but not quite enough, my big amount of workers repaired most the same round or one after tho, with a mechinf or two guarding them on top, it also helped alot i made egypt attack first to draw many of his forces away from me
Harbourboy
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Any idea when the results of this will come out? It seems like I played this one an age ago - I can barely remember what happened, other than that my immortals got wiped out by tanks.
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