WOTM 10 First Spoiler

[Tosti11]

No, what I meant was w/o backdoor domination but rather making AI vote for me.

I see, so you aren't warring yourself too large, but rather just large enough to be first in pop, thus being gauranteed to be in the vote and relying on actual diplomacy.

"Samsonite, I was way off."

 

[MarkM]

The copper was roaded and mined (Thank You, Kublai! ) and I guess the coast and Sailing did the rest of the connection. There may also need to be a city that you are at peace with, at least (I don't think I had OB with either Kublai or MehmedII, so maybe that isn't necessary). I seem to recall an earlier game where my culture crossed to an adjacent land with a resource that was actually in my fat cross; I roaded it and mined it, but didn't gain access, so I think a city on that coast (or a river) is necessary.

Yes, I think you are right, based on what I learned in this game. Looked back at my summary near beginning of thread and you'll see I founded my York early & way in the south, straight south of capital but 3 squares off coast, on river. Within just one or two turns after I did that, Monty and ramses both plopped cities on the coast. this was way befeor writing so open borders were not even an issue. I got the "congratulations you've connect your first city to your capital" msg right after Ramses founded his city at the mouth of the river, I recall (but i could be wrong). So I think having the non-open-bordered Ramses city actually helped me connect things?