WW2-Europe XXL

[aeldrik]

@Dedin, yes, that's the graphics I used for the infiltrator units.
That bug is my fault, typo in the Pedialicons.txt... thx for letting me know, I've just changed the file from version 1.00 to 1.01, it should work now, ...

to all: just replacing the Pedialicons.txt file and it should work fine, replacing all the other files also should not change anything to saved games

 

[Dedin]

Yeah does work now, thanks to you too.

 

[Mobilize]

Alright well in the editor such words/names were mispelled.

'poles' should be capitalized, 'Irland' should be 'Ireland', 'Sweeds should be 'Swedes', 'Swis should be Swiss', 'Fins' should be 'Finns' and 'Finish' should be 'Finnish'. 'Irak' should be 'Iraq' and it should be 'Iraqi'. 'Yougoslavia' should be 'Yugoslavia' and they are 'Yugoslavs and Yugoslav'. I believe that's most of them.

Here are corrected city names for Russian, Polish, Swedish, Finnish, Benelux, French, etc.

Sweden:
Oernskoldvik = Örnsköldsvik
Helsinbörg = Helsingborg

Norway:
Alesund = Ålesund
Namsøs = Namsos

Finland:
Uleåborg = Oulu
Helsingfors = Helsinki
Tammerfors = Tampere
Vasa = Vaasa

Commonwealth:
West Islands = Outer Hebrides (correct name of islands)
Orkney Islands = Scapa Flow (important WW2 naval station)
Al-Qahira = Cairo
Gizeh = Giza
Montreal = Montréal
Quebec = Québec
Hallifax = Halifax

Benelux:
Bruxelles = Brussels

France:
Le Havre / Caen = Le Havre (Caen is much more inland)
Auxerres = Dijon (better city)
Orleans = Orléans
Bescancon = Besançon
Ouhran = Oran
Tanger = Tangier
Marakesh = Marakkesh
Allepo = Aleppo
Damas = Damascus

Italy:
Tobruch = Tobruk

Switzerland:
Genève = Genèva

Spain:
A Corunia = A Coruña
Cordoba = Córdoba
Malaga = Málaga
Baleares = Palma de Mallorca

Poland:
Ostrau = Ostrava
Allenstein = Olsztyn
Bromberg = Bydgoszcz
Stolp = Slupsk
Danzig = Gdansk
Lwow = L'viv or L'vov
Warszawa = Warsaw or Warszava
Tschentochau = Czestochowa
Wilno = Vilnius

Russia:
Kiew = Kiev
Poltawa = Poltava
Tcherkassy = Cherkassy
Tcherniwzi = Chernivtsi
Wynnyzja = Vinnytsia
Mykolajiw = Mykolaiv
Dniepopetrovsk = Dnipropetrovs'k
Rostow = Rostov
Stawropol = Stavropol
Erewan = Yerevan
Astrachan = Astrakhan
Uljanowsk = Uljanovsk
Kirow = Kirov
Wologda = Vologda
Tscherepowez = Cherepovez
Wladamir = Vladamir
Wizebsk = Vitebsk
Pskow = Pskov
Welki Nowgorod = Novgorod
Petrosadowsk = Petrozadovsk
Tchakalov = Chajkovskij
Archangelsk = Arkhangel'sk
Woronesch = Voronezh
Charkiw = Kharkiv

Hungary:
Ushlorod = Uzhhorod

Yugoslavia:
Beograd = Belgrade (if Beograd is the native form it's alright)

Rumania:
Bukarest = Bucharest (if Bukarest is the native form it's alright)
Constantja = Konstana or Constanta
Kronstadt = Sibiu (better city)

Bulgaria:
Powdiw = Plovdiv

Greece:
Saloniki = Thessaloníki
Ionania = Ioánnina
Athens = Athena, Athenai
Kalamatra = Kalamata
Patras = Patrai
Heraklion = Irákleion

Turkey:
Edrine = Edirne

Iraq:
Al-Mawsil = Mosil
Irbil = Arbil

Iran:
Taebris = Tabriz
Teheran = Tehran
Ahwas = Ahvas
Shiras = Shiraz

USA:
Savanah = Savannah (I believe)
Tallahasee = Tallahassee
Montgommery = Montgomery

Well I hope this helps a lot. Have fun!

 

[aeldrik]

@Mobilize: great thx, I'll change most of it, I'll check the city names first though
(Brussels is Bruxelles in French, it's my home town... the finish cities are/should be correct already in finnish, Genève is the right name, French spelling, I kept the German names for most of the polnish cities, since they were German not so long before the war, and are beeing taken by the Germans anyway)
but thx a lot for the hints, It's hard getting the city names in the right language...
Anyway, lots of changes comming, making sure a version 1.02 won't take too long

 

[The Last Conformist]

Actually his Finnish city names aren't wrong, it's just the (co-official) Swedish forms rather than the Finnish ones.

'Savannah' is indeed spelt with two 'n's.

Al-Mawsil is simply the Arabic form of "Mosul".

Re: the Russian, Serbian and Bulgarian names; there are a few transliteration schemes to chose from! 'Beograd', BTW, is the native form.

 

[Mobilize]

Glad to help. I'm just going by a few of my atlas's which are English as well as the native forms of some countries. Because Russian is a different alphabet (Cyrillic) there can be several different translations for them.

Oh yes, one more. In Ireland, Gaillimh (Galway) = Gailleamh

 

[Marla_Singer]

Paris should have at least 34 of population (like London). According to that german website, Paris is the largest city in Western Europe with 11 million people today. There's no reason to put Paris smaller than Berlin which has only 4 million people in its urban area. ;-)

 

[Al Zan]

this is your best work i have seen!

 

[aeldrik]

@Marla. thx for the hint, I used the population of the city of Paris, which is bout 2,1 million (20 arrondissements), while Berlin is at 3 million... The aglomeration of Paris however adds a lot of people (about 8 million: pt. Robert 1982). I have changed it for the next version, giving Paris a size of about 5.5 million (pop=33)...
It's always hard to get the right size, historically, and then getting not only the city, but also the region
But still, London is bigger than Paris...

 

[aeldrik]

Originally posted by Mobilize
Alright well in the editor such words/names were mispelled.

'poles' should be capitalized, 'Irland' should be 'Ireland', 'Sweeds should be 'Swedes', 'Swis should be Swiss', 'Fins' should be 'Finns' and 'Finish' should be 'Finnish'. 'Irak' should be 'Iraq' and it should be 'Iraqi'. 'Yougoslavia' should be 'Yugoslavia' and they are 'Yugoslavs and Yugoslav'. I believe that's most of them.

All Corrected

Here are corrected city names for Russian, Polish, Swedish, Finnish, Benelux, French, etc.

Sweden:
Oernskoldvik = Örnsköldsvik;Helsinbörg = Helsingborg

Corrected

Norway:
Alesund = Ålesund Corrected
Namsøs = Namsos

Finland:
Uleåborg = Oulu;Helsingfors = Helsinki;Tammerfors = Tampere;Vasa = Vaasa

no change, these are the correct names

Commonwealth:
West Islands = Outer Hebrides (correct name of islands)Corrected
Orkney Islands = Scapa Flow (important WW2 naval station)Kept Orkney, Scapa Flow is just a place
Al-Qahira = Cairo;Gizeh = Gizano change, those are the arrabic names
Montreal = Montréal;Quebec = Québec;Hallifax = HalifaxCorrected



Benelux:
Bruxelles = BrusselsBruxelles is the french name

France:
Le Havre / Caen = Le Havre (Caen is much more inland)kept it, to represent the higher pop density
Auxerres = Dijon (better city)kept it, bith more or less same size
Orleans = Orléans;Besancon = BesançonCorrected

Ouhran = OranOuhran is the new name of the city, the question is since when???

Tanger = TangierTangier is the french name, not the spanish I think, I changed it however to the arrabic Tandja
Marakesh = Marakkeshnope, one k in French..
Allepo = Aleppochanged to arrabic Halab
Damas = Damascus Damas is the french name

Italy:
Tobruch = TobrukTobruch is the Italian name, Tubruq in Arab

Switzerland:
Genève = GenèvaFrench name

Spain:
A Corunia = A Coruña ;Cordoba = Córdoba;Malaga = MálagaCorrected

Baleares = Palma de Mallorcakept it, more reprensentative that it means the pop of all 3 Islands


Poland:
Ostrau = Ostrava;Allenstein = Olsztyn;Bromberg = Bydgoszcz;Stolp = Slupsk;Danzig = Gdansk;
Those are the German names, I preferred them, since the Germans take them in the first turns of the Game, and the cities were German in parts of they history

Lwow = L'viv or L'vovCorrected

Warszawa = Warsaw or Warszavakept, it is the correct name AFAIK

Tschentochau = CzestochowaCorrected


Wilno = VilniusWilno is the right name, Vilnius is English...


Russia:
Kiew = Kiev;Poltawa = Poltava;Tcherkassy = Cherkassy;Tcherniwzi = Chernivtsi;Wynnyzja = Vinnytsia;Mykolajiw = Mykolaiv;Dniepopetrovsk = Dnipropetrovs'k;Rostow = Rostov;Stawropol = Stavropol;Erewan = Yerevan;Astrachan = Astrakhan;Uljanowsk = Uljanovsk;Kirow = Kirov;Wologda = Vologda;Tscherepowez = Cherepovez;Wladamir = Vladamir;Wizebsk = Vitebsk;Pskow = Pskov;Welki Nowgorod = Novgorod;Petrosadowsk = Petrozadovsk;Tchakalov = Chajkovskij;Archangelsk = Arkhangel'sk;Woronesch = Voronezh;Charkiw = Kharkiv
all corrected

Hungary:
Ushlorod = UzhhorodCorrected


Bulgaria:
Powdiw = PlovdivCorrected

Greece:
Saloniki = Thessaloníki;Ionania = Ioánnina;Athens = Athena, Athenai;Kalamatra = Kalamata;Patras = Patrai;Heraklion = IrákleionCorrected

Turkey:
Edrine = EdirneCorrected

Iraq:
Al-Mawsil = Mosil;Irbil = ArbilKept the arrabic names


Iran:
Taebris = Tabriz;Teheran = Tehran;Ahwas = Ahvas;Shiras = ShirazCorrected

USA:
Savanah = Savannah (I believe);Tallahasee = Tallahassee;Montgommery = MontgomeryCorrected

Well I hope this helps a lot. Have fun!

 

[Marla_Singer]

@Marla. thx for the hint, I used the population of the city of Paris, which is bout 2,1 million (20 arrondissements), while Berlin is at 3 million... The aglomeration of Paris however adds a lot of people (about 8 million: pt. Robert 1982). I have changed it for the next version, giving Paris a size of about 5.5 million (pop=33)...

Actually, french cities are always underevaluated because of the way of the french administrative division. There are actually 36 000 "municipalities" (cities, town, village) in France which is more than all other european countries together ! For example, Germany has less than 8 000 "municipalities" even if German population is larger than French.

That means that generally speaking a mayor in Germany is managing an urban area when the one in France manages only a neighbourhood of it. That's the reason why there are 20 arrondissements in Paris, 16 in Marseille and 9 in Lyon. There are 20 mayors for Paris !

Actually, in France, three level of size are officialy recognized for city : The municipality (city center), the Urban Area (the same than a german city (Stadt)) and finally, the "peri-urban" zone (that adds also the countrymen who live in villages which are dependant of the city). Last level isn't useful for us. The most valuable figure to get how a city is important is the Urban Area figure.

You can check the Attach File I've posted, there's the population of all french cities over 200 000 people. You'll see for example that a city like Lille which weight more than 1 million people has only 150 000 people in its municipality ! I don't know if you've been to Lille, but you don't have the impression you're coming in a small town when you visit it.

About London being bigger than Paris... seriously with that size it's really tough to say. When the population gets over 10 million people, the networks used by commuters are getting so complicate that it's getting really hard to have a good evalutation of it. What is sure is that London area is twice larger than Paris because Paris is actually a lot more dense than London. People from London lives more in houses than appartments when it's the opposite in Paris. Usually, I consider both cities about the same size (in terms of population) cause that's the truth honnestly.

 

[Marla_Singer]

Ooops ! I've forgotten the file !
There it is !

 

[Dedin]

btw, where are the Germans supposed to get oil and rubber from, when the war with the soviets started (about 5 turns after game start) ?

 

[aeldrik]

@Marla: thx for the list, as you could see, Lille (yes, I know the city) had about 1 million people, this is because I didn't use (most of the time) the city population, but used the "zone urbaine" rural area population, or in Russia and the US, took the population of the region...
I changed the population of Nice, all other should already correspond to your list.


@Dedin: that's the actual goal of the game, go and get the ressources... There is however oil in Scandinavia, which the Germans took before attacking Russia (not very historicaly correct, I know, but since one still can't set the trade relations with the editor...)
As for rubber, you will notice that it is not needed to build infantry or tank, only for Heavy tanks, which should leave the players enough time to get some rubber. I will however add one Rubber in White Russia, to make it easier...

 

[Dedin]

Ah ok, didnt noticed that you don't need rubber for the normal tanks. Well, conquered the benelux,denmark,poland and parts of sweden now. Am at war with russia, while the French guys are still fencesitting

 

[aeldrik]

@ Dedin, would be great if you could say how you think the game is going, wether some nations are conquered too fast or too easily, that will help me improve the game...
The problem with France is I didn't want to make it a locked alliance, and since they are no other options.... well, hope you enjoy conquering Russia...
PS you shouldn't wait too long with France, or they'll build a big military...

 

[Dedin]

Another thing is that submarines can bombard cities, and that very effective Dont know if you wanted it to be that way.

 

[aeldrik]

I wanted to make subs very strong, bombard was one option, maybe I'll give them a very strong attack value instead, let me know how much the bombard ability of the subs influenced your game...

 

[Dedin]

@aeldrik: Yeah np, denmark, poland and the benelux have been conquered pretty easy by me (playing at king level btw) which
is historically quite ok. The war with the Russians began in my opinion too fast (cause of my pact with the rumanians), but I guess that can't be controlled with the edior, can it ?
I was thinking about attacking France directly after the defeat of the Benelux states, but then the war with the soviets began, so I thought it´s the best to prevent a "2-fronts-war".
Will report you how the status on the ost front is, when the soviets and my tanks have met

 

[Marla_Singer]

France has been invaded in 3 weeks, it has been even faster for Poland, Netherlands, Belgium. I tell you (even if as french it hurts me), you should give no army at all to these countries. It's the best way to help the third reich to invade fast since the AI doesn't know how to do war (it attacks every cities in the same time instead of only one at a time).

Well, it's almost impossible to make an accurate WWII scenario. France and England had declared war to Germany when they attacked Poland. Russia declared it later and Americans almost in 1942 !

If you don't want to see America or France declaring war to England, you should add both countries to the locked alliance. By the way, why didn't you want to put France in the alliance with the brits ? they declared war together !

In my WW1 scenario, I've put ALL countries in locked alliances... even neutral ones like Switzerland ! I know it's not accurate but if I don't do that, we can see Belgium declaring war to Sweden which had an alliance with France so that England has to declare war to France ! Well, it sucks... After the options of locked alliance, another great options for Firaxis would be the "blocked peace"... something like "no one can declare war to Switzerland". It would be great.

No honnestly. Put America and France in the locked alliance. Let american forces in the US so that they will need a lot of time to join Europe and it would be a good way to simulate there lately participation to the conflict. Moreover, put Japan in the same alliance than the Germans. And remove all troops for France, Poland, Netherlands and Belgium, I know it's tough guy, but that's the best way to simulate the blitz. I even think you shouldn't give any army at all to the russians too. It's so huge the AI will still have time to build units later. And don't forget the AI will draft one unit so there will still be an infantry to defend each city.

I know France had been invaded only in June 1940 (a year after declaring war to Germany) but it's impossible to simulate things perfectly anyway.

France should be a partner, but a lousy one ;-)