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True, No. 220 squadron took over the Fortress Is of No. 90 Squadron, operating them in the Far East for two months, before receiving the Fortress II, which it used for anti-submarine patrols over the Atlantic. During 1942 and 1943 three squadrons used the Fortress for the same duty, one operating in the Far East. The two home based squadrons retained their Fortresses until 1944 and 1945 respectively.
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Was it the condition they were in when delivered, different RAF standards, or what? I'm actually curious, here?
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So I guess you can never know for certain, but two games I generally trust and this model set all seem to think it does. In any event, I can confirm gondolas would be added under the wings if desired, which is really what it's mean to designate in the scenario. Absolutely beautiful work! I truly appreciate it!
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@JPetroski That is a nice paintscheme.
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Some day I'll upload some pictures of the models I build. I can do it with an airbrush, but what you folks can do with pixels I'll never be able to match. I wish you'd film your screen sometime when you're drawing a unit and upload it to youtube. I think it would be extremely interesting for one and also probably would have some good hints about how to improve. Thanks again for all your help!
If anyone is willing to make some more aircraft skins, I could use some additional ones for OTR. I am providing some links to aircraft skins but I am not wed to these and if there is something you'd prefer to do that interests you more, beggars can't be choosers! I'd only ask that they all be 8th or 9th Air Force skins for the USA, European for Brits, and that the general Geschwaders I'm pointing out for the Germans please. I really wish I could learn to just make minor changes myself but it's always been beyond me. I'm pretty good with an airbrush but hopeless with pixels
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-I could use another B-17 than we currently have. This is because I intend to have a "Pathfinder" squadron unit for each. It looks like the current B-17 in olive drab is from the 91st Bomb Group. I'd honestly probably repurpose that as the pathfinder. For the main B-17, I'm hoping someone can draw one up the 100th Bomb Group (basically take the red off of it) given that "Masters of the Air" is coming out in January. Here's a link to a skin.
-A Mustang I in RAF markings (link)
-A clipped wing Spitfire please
-Additional Bf 109 Gustav series, as well as a Kurfurst planes would be extremely helpful to me. Right now, I'm using these ones to represent (left to right) a G-6, G-6/R6, G-10, G-10/R6, G-14, G-14/R6, and K-4. The R/6 I've gone ahead and added underwing gondolas by taking it off the Hurri 2 and I suppose it works though really if anyone wanted to either improve that or put together underwing rockets that I could toss on these as well as 190s that would be very helpful. In the scenario, one will be able to swap out the aircraft before they fly to decide if they want the /R modification or not (better against bombers but worse against fighters). While these 109s below are beautiful they aren't demonstrative of what I need and the color schemes of the first few especially are out of place in 1943. Below this image I'll link a few suggestions, though really any G-6 or beyond 109 that are part of JG3, JG5, JG11, or JG26 would work, so if there is one that catches one of your eyes and you'd really like to try it that would be fine.
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109G6 from III/JG54 - note that this is @Civinator 's great uncle's plane. I think it would be a nice tribute to him since he's been so helpful and encouraging for the scenario for so long, so I'd love it if someone would do this skin. While much of JG54 was on the Eastern Front, this Third Gruppe was part of the home defense. Also not for nothing but I believe the G-6 was the most produced variant of the 109 during the war.
109G14 from JG3
A series of 109K4 - I'd just note that the top one (with the bright red) is quite similar to a unit already drawn that I'm using as Herman Graff's unit, so I probably wouldn't go with that one.
Also, as this is a single player scenario now, there's going to come a time when the eastern Geschwader return to the homeland (with the Russians hot on their tails). As far as I can see, we don't presently have any winter camo 190s, so something like this would work well to represent the assets returning home.
Finally (and this is a really pendantic one) but an MS406 in Luftwaffe colors would be a cherry on top. Of all of these, this is by far the least important though. I threw an iron cross on the "generic" 406 @Tanelorn posted up above and it works well enough for a unit that will probably be a hangar queen in this scenario
Any help (especially with the 109s!) is GREATLY appreciated! Thank you!
I started making these before Tanelorn posted his versions, so I thought I might as well complete them. I've modded my rather generic old G-10 to have the rounder wingtips and higher tail of the later marks, and attempted to capture the 'droop-snoot' look of the K-4. I replaced the early 'solid' crosses with something that gives a feel for the later crosses painted mid-wing or closer to the fuselage, and replaced the wing camo with more accurate late-War patterns. Also, the gun-pod on the R-6s isn't really visible in an isometic view, being hidden by the wing with just the guns jutting out.
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Definitely appreciate the work both of you did 
I should be able to find a place for much of it in the scenario either as the units requested or additional reinforcements coming from the east towards the end of the war.
Any interest in making the clipped wing variant of the Spitfire? (or really any Spitfires from 1943 onward that we don't have?) I want to ensure the UK has adequate representation here
Edit - I just want to assure you all at the very least I've been putting pretty much all other hobbies on hold for weeks building this out. I should have all the airfields / cities placed today which was no small undertaking! I'm hoping the single player version will be more approachable for everyone.
I should be able to find a place for much of it in the scenario either as the units requested or additional reinforcements coming from the east towards the end of the war.Any interest in making the clipped wing variant of the Spitfire? (or really any Spitfires from 1943 onward that we don't have?) I want to ensure the UK has adequate representation here
Edit - I just want to assure you all at the very least I've been putting pretty much all other hobbies on hold for weeks building this out. I should have all the airfields / cities placed today which was no small undertaking! I'm hoping the single player version will be more approachable for everyone.
These things are a travesty - are you sure you want them in your scenario?Definitely appreciate the work both of you did
Any interest in making the clipped wing variant of the Spitfire? (or really any Spitfires from 1943 onward that we don't have?) I want to ensure the UK has adequate representation here
Edit - I just want to assure you all at the very least I've been putting pretty much all other hobbies on hold for weeks building this out. I should have all the airfields / cities placed today which was no small undertaking! I'm hoping the single player version will be more approachable for everyone.
The Fortress mk Is were 1941 B-17Cs (without the tail gunner position I think) which saw action in the RAF as a day bomber with very poor results: of 38 aircraft in a single squadron service 20 were lost in 39 sorties and only 2 bombs hit their target. It was under-protected compared to the later USAAC aircraft and carried too few bombs to be an effective heavy bomber compared to British heavies. It still had reasonable range going for it so was effective as a maritime recconaissance a/c where it's poor protection and light bomb-load were not an issue.
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These things are a travesty - are you sure you want them in your scenario?
Ha, well, I will say they lack the elegance of the "normal" wing but hey, if I'm going to separate low vs. high alt, I might as well have aircraft that can take advantage of it.
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The Blenheim Mk.IF was a British light bomber and night fighter that was used extensively in the first two years of WWII. It was also the first RAF aircraft to shoot down an enemy aircraft at night, when a Blenheim of No. 23 Squadron intercepted a Heinkel He 111 over the North Sea on 3 September 1939. 1,552 Mk1 Blenheims were built by the end of 1939 and 200 were converted into night fighters.
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I'm going to use this as my "UK Ace" in OTR. Looks great!
The Blenheim Mk.IF was a British light bomber and night fighter that was used extensively in the first two years of WWII. It was also the first RAF aircraft to shoot down an enemy aircraft at night, when a Blenheim of No. 23 Squadron intercepted a Heinkel He 111 over the North Sea on 3 September 1939. 1,552 Mk1 Blenheims were built by the end of 1939 and 200 were converted into night fighters.
An unlikely choice for an 'ace': The Blenheims were no more effective as night fighters in 1940 than they were as day bombers (spoiler: they were totally rubbish at it). They were quickly relegated to duties as night intruders and replaced by Beaufighters.
There were plenty of Beaufighter aces, and even some Defiant rear gunner aces, some of whom may have achieved their kills when Defiants became stop-gap night fighters in 1940: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_World_War_II_aces_from_the_United_Kingdom
You have Hurricane and Spitfire 'aces' right, and you're looking for a nightfighter ace?
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I agree with Fairline on this. They were useful against the Italians in the Balkans by 1941 (RAF 30 sqd operated from Almyros, Volos and Maleme, Chania; RAF 84 sqd from Menidi, Acharnes) but later stood no chance against the Lufwaffe.
Yes. You have to feel a bit sorry for the Blenheim; it was a world-class bomber in 1937 when it was introduced into service in the RAF, being 10 or 20 kts faster than most contemporary fighters which were usually biplanes at the time (with the exception of the 109 and Rata). Within 3 years it was outpaced by the D.520, Hurricane, Spitfire and 109, the latter two being almost 100mph faster. When it was hurriedly switched from being an ineffective light bomber to being an ineffective stop-gap night fighter it was 4mph slower than the He-111Hs and 20-30mph slower than the Ju-88s it was trying to intercept!
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You guys aren't wrong but I just feel bad when you build these beautiful units with no home so I try and find one for them lol. I suppose though that we're planning a BoB where I can use it eventually. Maybe I can rework it as the ECM aircraft rather than use the same Wellington art twice (three times, if you consider 205 Group Wellingtons, since the RAF's night bombers from the Mediterranean are featured now--doing a little research I see that a lot of SAAF, RCAF, and RAAF bombers were in this, so I think I'll rework the art for those with some I'm sure you guys have done in the Commonwealth Collection).
Well, the Hurricane wouldn't be very viable by 1943 beyond the one ground attack squadron they were still using in the region, but it's there. The problem with OTR is that having the RAF have an ace in a Spitfire is basically going to mean the ace has very little to do until after D-Day given the range. While I do have Johnnie Johnson as one of the four Allied "named" aces (along with Gabreski, Preddy, and John Braham), I thought a good way to balance the scenario would be to have the generic US Ace to be the "daylight" ace and then have the UK ace be the "night time" ace, since that element of the scenario is even more important now, and those aircraft at least have the range to really mix it up.
It's hard to ask for new night fighters when many of the RAF ones were simply black How much variation can you really make?
Well, the Hurricane wouldn't be very viable by 1943 beyond the one ground attack squadron they were still using in the region, but it's there. The problem with OTR is that having the RAF have an ace in a Spitfire is basically going to mean the ace has very little to do until after D-Day given the range. While I do have Johnnie Johnson as one of the four Allied "named" aces (along with Gabreski, Preddy, and John Braham), I thought a good way to balance the scenario would be to have the generic US Ace to be the "daylight" ace and then have the UK ace be the "night time" ace, since that element of the scenario is even more important now, and those aircraft at least have the range to really mix it up.
It's hard to ask for new night fighters when many of the RAF ones were simply black
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