XX century Ideologies and politics

[Einherjar777]

First of all, I would like to discuss about communism and all its various branches.
Indeed we have lots of different ''Schools of thought" as the "socialist revolutionnary", the bolcheviks later stalinians, marxism leninism,
I hae studied differences with history facts and ideologies and 2 of them are opposite while they thought the same October revolution in Russia.
Stalinism is totalitarist, educate population, has made illegal abortment, one head to rule them all and eliminate opponents of the government, strong militaric presence and civil involvment with the army together. Even religion during world war 2 when Stalin said in one of his speeches ''God is with us" and remade a moscow father"don't know how to say it properly in english"

Totally opposing with leninism trotskism which favours more liberties over order and education as Stalinian does.
Indeed, I see similitudes but differences like''abortment" described by Lenin as a right for women to dispose of their bodies while Staline forbidden it. Nationalism of Stalin opposite with internationalism of Lenin

2 branches with economic similitude and hatred of capitalism and bourgeoisie in common but all these things are different...

Any clues about why these amazing differences to add?Any things I have not understood well?

 

[Lord Baal]

First of all, I would like to discuss about communism and all its various branches.
Indeed we have lots of different ''Schools of thought" as the "socialist revolutionnary", the bolcheviks later stalinians, marxism leninism,
I hae studied differences with history facts and ideologies and 2 of them are opposite while they thought the same October revolution in Russia.
Stalinism is totalitarist, educate population, has made illegal abortment, one head to rule them all and eliminate opponents of the government, strong militaric presence and civil involvment with the army together. Even religion during world war 2 when Stalin said in one of his speeches ''God is with us" and remade a moscow father"don't know how to say it properly in english"

Totally opposing with leninism trotskism which favours more liberties over order and education as Stalinian does.
Indeed, I see similitudes but differences like''abortment" described by Lenin as a right for women to dispose of their bodies while Staline forbidden it. Nationalism of Stalin opposite with internationalism of Lenin

2 branches with economic similitude and hatred of capitalism and bourgeoisie in common but all these things are different...

Any clues about why these amazing differences to add?Any things I have not understood well?

The English language, for one thing. I don't like to pick on people over their language skills, but if you want our answers to mean anything to you, you're going to need to write English much better than you do know. Your posts in the last two threads I've looked in are evidence of that.

 

[Lone Wolf]

He's presenting Stalinism as authoritarian and repressive, and Leninism and Trotskyism as placing more emphasis on freedom. Then he asks us why there's so much difference between these anti-capitalistic ideologies. Anyway, the bad conditions in post-revolutionary Russia led to the degeneration of the revolution almost since its beginning, blah-blah-blah.

 

[Flying Pig]

Oh, and of course, any high principle inevitably deteriorates when actually used to govern a country. Compare France after 1789, Germany after 1919, England after any of the many times it's been idealistically overhauled, and so on.

What are the exact reasons these principles deteriorate, though? And how your statement is applicable to post-1917 Russia?

The reasons are complex, but one of them has to be the fact that no philosopher has yet had a perfect understanding of the world: accordingly, any bold stroke of policy is likely to be flawed, particularly if it requires other people to act as predicted. In the case of Russia, the lofty principles of pooling resources failed to adequately take into account that people did not produce as much for the common store as they did for themselves, hence Lenin's need to introduce the NEP. This is just one example, off the top of my head.

 

[Lone Wolf]

What are the exact reasons these principles deteriorate, though? And how your statement is applicable to post-1917 Russia?

 

[Tee Kay]

why there's so much difference between these anti-capitalistic ideologies

Second law of thermodynamics?

 

[Antilogic]

I'd suppose when your ideology is defined against something, that leaves a lot of wiggle room for what you are for, even amongst broadly similar outlooks and critiques on capitalist thought.

 

[Lone Wolf]

The USSR was state capitalist!!!11!!