Zulu Discussion

[Eagle Pursuit]

I looked at M'Banza-Kongo. It's hard to tell. It looks like some of the smaller buildings have onion domes on them. Some of the bigger ones do not.

 

[Lord Xavius]

Since the Internet doesn't seem to agree with me today, another try:

 

[Louis XXIV]

Looks like the Middle Eastern style to me.

 

[Laxley]

Definitely looks like the style Egypt already use to me, whatever style that is.

 

[Eru Ilúvatar]

Not really. Not all pikes were heavily armoured. May I suggest you to play Medieval II with possibly some good mods like Stainless Steel.

Also from gameplay perspective, another spear UU would be annoying. We already have a LOT of ancient UUs. Impi as a Pike UU would also make sense because then with a 50% bonus or something they could actually stand against gunpowder units like they did historically. And we could have fun exploring roleplaying by delay upgrading Impis & have some interesting new possibilities.

But the Impi never got the control in a direct confrontation against the british redcoats. They were only effective using field knowledge for guerrilha tactics, destroying lines of supplies, etc. With that bonus, they will face gunpowder units with an advantage, I guess. I liked the Impi from Civ IV with the movement bonus.

 

[ScottMcPwn]

That dosn't look like the Middle Eastern style to me, it's too dark.
I think it's a re-textured Middle Eastern style for African Civs.

 

[Babri]

But the Impi never got the control in a direct confrontation against the british redcoats. They were only effective using field knowledge for guerrilha tactics, destroying lines of supplies, etc. With that bonus, they will face gunpowder units with an advantage, I guess. I liked the Impi from Civ IV with the movement bonus.

Well we can't really represent all that in ciV so it is better to take it as an abstraction & give Impis a modest bonus against gunpowder troops.

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[turingmachine]

Anyone else kinda annoyed, as seen in the new previews, the civ is "The Zulus" instead of just "The Zulu".

 

[TheMarshmallowBear]

Anyone else kinda annoyed, as seen in the new previews, the civ is "The Zulus" instead of just "The Zulu".

The Aztecs
The Celts
The Ottomans
The Mayans
The Incans

I'd say it's just their formatting.

 

[turingmachine]

The Aztecs
The Celts
The Ottomans
The Mayans
The Incans

I'd say it's just their formatting.

Except that's not their formatting, both the Inca and Maya are refered to as "The Inca" and "The Maya" in game. "The Zulu" without an "s" is the more common and accepted form.

 

[Loaf Warden]

The only thing I'm annoyed about is how excited I am at their return.

I mean, I expected them in to begin with, given their long history with the series. Then when that expectation was disappointed, I expected them back during the DLC phase. Then, when that expectation was disappointed, I expected them back in G&K. And that didn't happen either. So they kept not doing what I expected them to do, and disappointing me, until finally they did do it and now I'm all happy about it.

I mean, is this what is feels like to be the woman in a relationship? (Hi-yoo! Ba-dump-TSHH!)

 

[Guandao]

We still don't know the UA's name, do we?

 

[Tsar NicholasII]

Not really. Not all pikes were heavily armoured. May I suggest you to play Medieval II with possibly some good mods like Stainless Steel.

Also from gameplay perspective, another spear UU would be annoying. We already have a LOT of ancient UUs. Impi as a Pike UU would also make sense because then with a 50% bonus or something they could actually stand against gunpowder units like they did historically. And we could have fun exploring roleplaying by delay upgrading Impis & have some interesting new possibilities.

But historically the Impi themselves couldn't stand up to gunpowder they only won 1 large battle and it wasn't because they were trained against guns but because they outnumbered the British by a 20:1 margin and they caught them off guard. They lost literally every single major battle after that.

 

[Gamgee]

But historically the Impi themselves couldn't stand up to gunpowder they only won 1 large battle and it wasn't because they were trained against guns but because they outnumbered the British by a 20:1 margin and they caught them off guard. They lost literally every single major battle after that.

I hate to speak the truth, but I have to agree. They lost a lot more than they won.

 

[EricTheGreat12]

I expected them back in G&K.

I know: it seems as if G&k goes well with the Zulus. I think Netherlands would have done better in BNW.

Finnaly, I opened this thread after a month of emptiness !! !!

 

[Emperor Joker]

But historically the Impi themselves couldn't stand up to gunpowder they only won 1 large battle and it wasn't because they were trained against guns but because they outnumbered the British by a 20:1 margin and they caught them off guard. They lost literally every single major battle after that.

They had a good start in the war, though. Aside from Isandlwana, the Zulu were victorious at Eshowe, Intombe, and Holbane. Things went south for them after Cetshwayo decided not to press his advantage and allowed the British to resupply and get reinforcements.

 

[Worlds_Crossing]

We still don't know the UA's name, do we?

Arioch's Well of Souls says it's called Iklwa after the short spear used by the Zulu.

 

[Tsar NicholasII]

They had a good start in the war, though. Aside from Isandlwana, the Zulu were victorious at Eshowe, Intombe, and Holbane. Things went south for them after Cetshwayo decided not to press his advantage and allowed the British to resupply and get reinforcements.

They weren't victorious at Eshowe, Intombe was a small encounter where the Zulu caught a supply convoy off guard and Hlobane was again a 20:1 margin. Unless they caught a supply convoy off guard or had a 20:1 margin the Zulu couldn't win a battle against Britain.

I'm fine with them getting a flanking promotion but a bonus vs. gunpowder isn't accurate then again so are a lot of things in civ. I just don't want to see the Zulu dominating gunpowder units in battle because it isn't just inaccurate, it's the complete opposite of what happened in history.

 

[Novu]

But historically the Impi themselves couldn't stand up to gunpowder they only won 1 large battle and it wasn't because they were trained against guns but because they outnumbered the British by a 20:1 margin and they caught them off guard. They lost literally every single major battle after that.

I disagree with the conclusion that the Impi could not stand up against gun powder. The year was 1879 and gun powder had been around for 500+ years. The Impi were standing against industrial era rifle men with a high rate of fire. It is astounding they won even one battle. There is a reason the Zulu were not conquered in earlier eras like the Aztecs and Inca were conquered. The Impi would be more than a match for early era gun powder units and it would have been nearly impossible to conquer them with Renaissance era techs.

After the initial British defeat at Isandlwana the British brought in Gattling guns to secure their victories in later battles such as at Ulundi.

The BNW bonuses the Impi received are quite historically accurate.

 

[Tsar NicholasII]

I disagree with the conclusion that the Impi could not stand up against gun powder. The year was 1879 and gun powder had been around for 500+ years. The Impi were standing against industrial era rifle men with a high rate of fire. It is astounding they won even one battle. There is a reason the Zulu were not conquered in earlier eras like the Aztecs and Inca were conquered. The Impi would be more than a match for early era gun powder units and it would have been nearly impossible to conquer them with Renaissance era techs.

After the initial British defeat at Isandlwana the British brought in Gattling guns to secure their victories in later battles such as at Ulundi.

The BNW bonuses the Impi received are quite historically accurate.

They weren't conquered earlier because:
A) The New World had gold, spices, cocoa, prosperous farming soil, stuff that Europe wanted so they conquered it first where as Africa's only had the slave trade that Europe wanted.

B) the Zulu tribe was completely insignificant in the wider view of Africa until 1816 when the Kingdom was actually founded

C) have you read about the Anglo-Zulu War? They had 3-6x times the casualty rates in every battle they fought in, even the ones that they won.