ZWK PBEM Game
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Morten Blaabjerg
Settler
Oh no! You guys have no idea what its like to live with AI constantly changing production orders... I have no idea how to defend myself properly when this keeps happening on subsequent turns. Shields are wasted, the AI rushes defensive units, I have a severe lack of aircraft, since the AI doesn't like me to build bombers (or fighters, for that matter). What can I do?
Morten Blaabjerg
Settler
What do you think about scheduling a live mp sessions to finish things up? -Not that I really want to, because I got the feeling I'm toast already. The russians have got a LOT of lancasters... And I don't have tanks that outweighs the ones of the russians and the allies. So even if I could control my production properly, I'd have to be a hell of a lot smarter than you, and I don't think you're going to make fatal mistakes just like that.
The thing that could be interesting for a mp ending, is the race betweeen the allies and russians to get to Berlin first.
The thing that could be interesting for a mp ending, is the race betweeen the allies and russians to get to Berlin first.
willemvanoranje
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First, I do have an idea, since the same happened to me in PBEM 2. Second, a live MP game somehow doesn't work on my computer. Third, now you have the tech that comes when I kill a Panzer IV, you have access to the Panther. Besides that, I think you already can build the He-277 and the Tiger, so....
I've been thinking of your troubles, and propose the following: you go into the rules.txt and set the charge for changing production to 0. That way you won't loose any shields. I trust you enough to think you won't use it for changing other production lines.
What you guys think?
I've been thinking of your troubles, and propose the following: you go into the rules.txt and set the charge for changing production to 0. That way you won't loose any shields. I trust you enough to think you won't use it for changing other production lines.
What you guys think?
Morten Blaabjerg
Settler
Hmm, I lose production when the AI change something expensive (like a bomber) to something cheap, which is then built straight away (like a 75mm gun). It won't matter much now, since the next turns will most likely include further conquests by russians or allies. The panthers are a good thing, unfortunately I don't think I'll have the time to take proper advantage of it. They still gotta be researched first, so they'll be ready far too late.
I got the feeling both yours and koby's ressources aren't stretched to the limit, like mine, so you'll be able to build up much more heavily even if I do get the chance to build a few panthers. My economy isn't good enough for both science AND rushbuilding units, and the AI doesn't make it any better by changing those units rushbuilt to something useless.
What kind of connection are you on, Kevin? -I know it may be troublesome to host a game behind a firewall.. we had some similar problems some time ago, but managed to get around it. Of course, if you're on a slow connection, it'll be too troublesome to play a mp session.
I got the feeling both yours and koby's ressources aren't stretched to the limit, like mine, so you'll be able to build up much more heavily even if I do get the chance to build a few panthers. My economy isn't good enough for both science AND rushbuilding units, and the AI doesn't make it any better by changing those units rushbuilt to something useless.
What kind of connection are you on, Kevin? -I know it may be troublesome to host a game behind a firewall.. we had some similar problems some time ago, but managed to get around it. Of course, if you're on a slow connection, it'll be too troublesome to play a mp session.
willemvanoranje
Curitibano
There's nothing wrong with my connection
. Broadband. Problem is indeed the firewall, which isn't a program but a little machine. Third problem is my dad who trusts no one and makes big difficulties if the word Multiplayer is pronounced.....I even suspect him of making it impossible for AoK and the Zonefiles to run on our computer....
willemvanoranje
Curitibano
Didn't conquer anything, except for Plovdiv. The damn Minor Axis declared war on me and sneak attacked Sofia, but after I took Plovdiv (which I was gonna attack anyway) they wanted peace again. Stupid Mussolini. Warsaw was bombed 'till all German divisions in it were destroyed (no AA gun?!). Konigsberg was bombed as well, just like Sarajevo and Budapest. All four cities are on the list for the next turn. Germany can probably prohibit at least one from being conquered.....which one will it be.
Morten,
I must say that although the changing production had put you at a disadvantage and hastened your demise, the way you played in this game ensured your loss. That's because you let Russia live too long with her full set of cities. The game is made such that Russia has a 50/50 chance of winning when the've taken a licking.
The ONLY way for Axis to win is to bash either the Allies or Soivets half dead before mid game or else history will just repeat itself - as it is doing now.
I must say that although the changing production had put you at a disadvantage and hastened your demise, the way you played in this game ensured your loss. That's because you let Russia live too long with her full set of cities. The game is made such that Russia has a 50/50 chance of winning when the've taken a licking.
The ONLY way for Axis to win is to bash either the Allies or Soivets half dead before mid game or else history will just repeat itself - as it is doing now.
Morten Blaabjerg
Settler
I agree. Bad decision to wait on attacking Russia. Actually I expected the western front (France) to be over in a relative short time and then turn against Russia. But it came to several halts, and too many units was wasted, so I felt I had to use all my abilities to try and hang on with the allies and rebuild some of my navies (in which I only half way succeeded).
I'm not arguing about losing or how I've been playing... I'm just saying that effectively the game is lost for me now. Its only a matter of time. No point in prolonging the painful rattle of the dead. Attacking almost anywhere at this point will just open my positions even more than they are now. My only advantage is that you don't know where I am strongest. I did have a couple of plans, but they're practically dead, since the AI started ****ing up production orders.
The most fun way IMO of ending this game would be in a mp session, to give you guys the satisfaction of making the way to Berlin, and see if I could get a wild shot at it. We can give it a few turns more like this if you like, but I am finding it increasingly hard to find the motivation to control production each turn for 30-40+ cities, there's no way to make plans for anything.
If we can't make an mp session, I'd rather see you two fight it out to get to Berlin first.
That would actually be interesting to see. 
I'm not arguing about losing or how I've been playing... I'm just saying that effectively the game is lost for me now. Its only a matter of time. No point in prolonging the painful rattle of the dead. Attacking almost anywhere at this point will just open my positions even more than they are now. My only advantage is that you don't know where I am strongest.
I did have a couple of plans, but they're practically dead, since the AI started ****ing up production orders.The most fun way IMO of ending this game would be in a mp session, to give you guys the satisfaction of making the way to Berlin, and see if I could get a wild shot at it. We can give it a few turns more like this if you like, but I am finding it increasingly hard to find the motivation to control production each turn for 30-40+ cities, there's no way to make plans for anything.
If we can't make an mp session, I'd rather see you two fight it out to get to Berlin first.
That would actually be interesting to see.
Morten Blaabjerg
Settler
Depleted soviet forces defeated in several places along the east front. Has the dog in moscow stretched his forces too thin? Only time will prove the answer.
In other events, Genoa fell to german forces moving rapidly through the valley of north Italy. The sudden breakthrough in the german advance was no doubt made easier when a dozen armor division fleeing from soviet forces arrived to be utilized in the area, coinciding with reinforcements on the run from an allied bombing squad in southern France.
Wild rumours are circulating in Berlin. One rumour has it that der führer has shot himself in his bunker, and left das dritte reich in command with the bunch of incompetent officers in high command, and with those local clergymen, who seems to have been running production schemes during the last few months. Other rumours say that North Command has effectively abandoned Scandinavia, and that we are in fact witnessing the collapse of central german government. But on the fronts germans keep fighting for their lives, with success in the North Italian campaign, and succeeding in halting the soviet march towards Berlin.
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In other events, Genoa fell to german forces moving rapidly through the valley of north Italy. The sudden breakthrough in the german advance was no doubt made easier when a dozen armor division fleeing from soviet forces arrived to be utilized in the area, coinciding with reinforcements on the run from an allied bombing squad in southern France.
Wild rumours are circulating in Berlin. One rumour has it that der führer has shot himself in his bunker, and left das dritte reich in command with the bunch of incompetent officers in high command, and with those local clergymen, who seems to have been running production schemes during the last few months. Other rumours say that North Command has effectively abandoned Scandinavia, and that we are in fact witnessing the collapse of central german government. But on the fronts germans keep fighting for their lives, with success in the North Italian campaign, and succeeding in halting the soviet march towards Berlin.
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willemvanoranje
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New Songs in the Russian top 5:
1. Warsaw libre
2. Bye bye Prussia
3. Budapest Victory
4. How we got into Sarajevo
5. Berlin, here we come
1. Warsaw libre
2. Bye bye Prussia
3. Budapest Victory
4. How we got into Sarajevo
5. Berlin, here we come
Morten Blaabjerg
Settler
Glad to hear the soviets have developed pop music. Must make the strains of stalinism more endurable.
All roads between Berlin and soviet front has been severed in several places. Theres not much hope of stopping russians, but we can delay them. "Their heavy tanks will be stuck in the mud, so we can bomb them back to the stone age", said one old colonel out digging with his boys. "I served in the Great Ol' War, ya' know, so I oughta know what's cummin'."
Note this time I haven't ended my orders, and left the AI to do what it can with the ressources left. Probably not much.
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All roads between Berlin and soviet front has been severed in several places. Theres not much hope of stopping russians, but we can delay them. "Their heavy tanks will be stuck in the mud, so we can bomb them back to the stone age", said one old colonel out digging with his boys. "I served in the Great Ol' War, ya' know, so I oughta know what's cummin'."
Note this time I haven't ended my orders, and left the AI to do what it can with the ressources left. Probably not much.
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willemvanoranje
Curitibano
In the old war you faught against men without arms.....this time you fight against a steel Russian bear.
willemvanoranje
Curitibano
...it's Chukovism
Morten Blaabjerg
Settler
No. This time we run from a steel russian bear.
Koby, I've got a suggestion for v3, when you decide to make a later version, which I bet you can't refrain from doing some time
. The Soviets really lack an anthem like the ones of the allies and the germans, so I suggest you give them the internationale, when they conquer important cities etc.Check out this site, its got all the audio source you need for it.
http://www.funet.fi/pub/culture/russian/html_pages/soviet.html
The national anthem is also quite good, worth considering. Shouldn't take up that much events space.
The first jet aircraft, albiet a test craft, made its maiden flight today in Leeds. At the same time, a new advanced piston aircraft of unsurpassed range and manueverability, the P51 Mustang was unveiled (cause of the extra tech given by jet engine). A new aircraft , the Meteor, will be available in a month or so.
p.s. did anyone know the stupid korean war went so badly because Churchill was stupid enough to give Stalin a working model of the latest Rolls Royce jet engine at the end of the war just to maintain good relations? This resulted in the Mig-15. (in real history - nothing to do with this game)
The 82nd Airborne lands in Goteburg and takes the city. Sweedes greet the paras as they march into town. The Germans seed to be retreating along all fronts to more easily defended positions - could the Eastern Front be having such a great effect on the war?
The Bordeauxgrad salient closes and the German 6th Army is close to being wiped out to a man unless they surrender.
p.s. did anyone know the stupid korean war went so badly because Churchill was stupid enough to give Stalin a working model of the latest Rolls Royce jet engine at the end of the war just to maintain good relations? This resulted in the Mig-15. (in real history - nothing to do with this game)
The 82nd Airborne lands in Goteburg and takes the city. Sweedes greet the paras as they march into town. The Germans seed to be retreating along all fronts to more easily defended positions - could the Eastern Front be having such a great effect on the war?
The Bordeauxgrad salient closes and the German 6th Army is close to being wiped out to a man unless they surrender.
willemvanoranje
Curitibano
The only territorial progress was made in Yugoslavia, which is liberated entirely now. Heavy bombardments caused the cities of Danzig, Poznan, Krakow, Bratislava and Scutari to be deserted by German forces. Series of moving units were bombed to pieces as well in Hungary and Poland. Chukov awarded Rokossovski with the Golden Star and promoted him to second in command of the entire Russian army.
willemvanoranje
Curitibano
Oh yes, Stockholm is mine too. A daring cargo vessel carrying units took care of the city together with some bombers. Bombers heavily damaged in mainly southern front, but reinforcements are on their way. Chukov is still waiting for the great German army to strike back. They probably concentrated somewhere to make a big strike back.
