Zardnaar
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Argentina used to be an evil western capitalist country (trademarked). Thats when the country functioned.
I suppose when you buy into Chavez/Maduro rhetoric good things happen.
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Argentina used to be an evil western capitalist country (trademarked). Thats when the country functioned.
I suppose when you buy into Chavez/Maduro rhetoric good things happen.
Nah, they've always been evil western capitalist country. When the country functioned, they produced Diego Maradona. And Natalia Oreiro. And won against Jamaica, 5:0.
Doesn't work that way, sadly.
Yeah if there's still spread inside the borders then obviously all those things remain necessary. Some stays necessary (distancing rules and venue check-ins, mainly) even when cases get to zero, since no quarantine is perfect solely due to the existence of incubation times over 14 days, even before the inevitable cases via quarantine workers.
I don't know why the low-case Canadian Atlantic provinces have had a harder time than Australian states had, at keeping spread from other parts of the country out, though.
Yeah, I mean, they had lengthy periods of zero cases during the summer, and none of them managed to keep it there.
Zardnaar
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Ah. Coming from an evil western capitalist country (trademarked) where does Russia fit. Evil eastern capitalist country?
Ah there you go then, that's as designed. The next step is making sure contact tracing is sufficiently good to quickly identify and knock out any flare ups, as has repeatedly occurred here in NSW since July.
Nobody is suggesting border quarantine can keep all cases out forever lol. Just that the most sustainable path is lockdown to local elimination and then contact tracing to contain the inevitable externally derived flareups, effectively returning to elimination in between each leakage.
(NSW has a current flare up in the last 2 days, but should presumably control it and get back to zero without lockdowns like in each other previous case since July)
Nobody is suggesting border quarantine can keep all cases out forever lol. Just that the most sustainable path is lockdown to local elimination and then contact tracing to contain the inevitable externally derived flareups, effectively returning to elimination in between each leakage.
(NSW has a current flare up in the last 2 days, but should presumably control it and get back to zero without lockdowns like in each other previous case since July)
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FriendlyFire
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I doubt it would have made any difference to the election.
Sure it made it look like Florida coranvirus numbers were headed down, but i dont think anyone voted for Trump based on that alone. Its just sad that a lot of people are going to now die as a result of covering this up
Sure it made it look like Florida coranvirus numbers were headed down, but i dont think anyone voted for Trump based on that alone. Its just sad that a lot of people are going to now die as a result of covering this up
Assuming you're responding to me - the problem is that by and large, the Atlantic provinces keeping covid numbers down has not resulted in notably fewer restrictions than elsewhere in Canada, it's simply resulted in them enacting comparable restrictions with lower case numbers than elsewhere. (They do have fewer deaths.)
Intuitively, this makes sense - you can have a continuous leakage in the summer, it doesn't particularly matter as only minimal restrictions are needed to keep R<=1, and since most cases don't get diagnosed, you can have long runs of continuous leakage without any reported cases.
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sendos
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Global COVID-19 daily cases and daily deaths tallies broken again. Northern Hemisphere winter starting to really affect those numbers.
My workplace has postponed returning to work until 11 January 2021.
My workplace has postponed returning to work until 11 January 2021.
Zardnaar
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More data in.
https://i.stuff.co.nz/business/123696832/gdp-jump-of-14-per-cent-completes-nzs-vshaped-recovery
About those economic arguements against lockdowns.....
https://i.stuff.co.nz/business/123696832/gdp-jump-of-14-per-cent-completes-nzs-vshaped-recovery
About those economic arguements against lockdowns.....
thetrooper
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I mean, US GDP was also up over 30% annualized in Q3.
Of course it's all about the US, right?
Wrong. Cross-border delivery of goods is crucial to both countries, particularly to the cities and farming communities close to the border and to remote areas.
Where do you think Canada gets most of our fresh produce this time of year? California and Florida, or some other non-covered-in-snow country. Things are not like 50 years ago when most people had a garden and actually knew how to can stuff for winter. My family was lucky enough to have fruit trees, but there's only so much canned crab apples you can eat before getting thoroughly sick of it.
I don't know where most of my daily meds come from (unlikely all of them are made in Canada), but I do know that if I had to do without one of them for 3 days, never mind 3 months, I'd probably die. And no, we are not allowed to stock up on prescription drugs. It's 30 days' supply (28 if they're blister-packed) at a time.
Are you suggesting that people should stay in their homes for 8 weeks and never go anywhere? While I could stockpile enough food to last both the cat and me for 8 weeks (she's actually already set for that, both food and litter), I can't do the same with perishables or medicine. Food and pharmacy delivery is crucial to getting through this.
According to the vaccine plan my provincial government has, I won't qualify for anything until next summer at the earliest, even though I'm in the at-risk group.
I'm actually afraid to read the news now, as from one day to the next, we don't know what else will be forbidden or that you have to be eligible to access.
They're designating certain hotels for people who have to self-isolate and can't do it at home (I guess Red Deer should be grateful we were allotted one, even though there are hundreds of cases here). The local one, I would guess, is probably the dingiest dump that nobody else stays at if they have a choice.
Gotta wonder what excuse the Minister of Social Services is going to use this time to deal with the homeless ("it would take too long to retrofit the hotels so they don't kill themselves because all homeless people are mentally ill and on the verge of suicide" - the gist of her attitude).
Correction: Canada is trying, and some parts are succeeding more than others. I don't recall the current number of Americans they've had to deal with who don't take it seriously that "drive directly to Alaska, do not stop for anything but essential food, gas, and bathroom breaks, do not go sightseeing" is something they are required to obey.
Naturally there are border towns that are suffering from lack of cross-border shopping and tourism. Some cities are actually in two provinces (ie. Lloydminister, Alberta/Saskatchewan). And it must be a nightmare for the towns on the U.S./Canada border where part of a building can be in one country and another part in the other. Of course if it's a place like a library, it's easy to close it on both sides. But you can't put a border guard next to somebody's bathroom inside a house.
There are tiny pockets of Americans who (due to the stupidity of where the border is) are cut off from their own country unless they travel through Canada. They haven't been able to do that for most of this year, and they're not supposed to enter Canada. It's been very hard for them.
Oh, is it down to 5 now?
Thank goodness I'm not longer living across from a family of people who never even pretended to observe the earlier restrictions. They won't be bothering to obey a 5-person rule.
No indoor dining doesn't bother me. The last time I ate out was at the local McDonalds... back in March, I think, or maybe February. My favorite pizza place knows what my "usual" is now, though - thank goodness for delivery.
Contact tracing is a joke here. Not that I have one of those phone apps (haven't got a cell phone), but I've been reading in the news that they don't work much of the time, and our premier keeps insisting that he's going to put in one that works even better than the federal one.
When it comes to the provincial government handling this in any competent way, we are basically screwed.
Zardnaar
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Damn our cellphone apps been apdated that it alerts you if you're near anyone who has Covid (and has been detected).
For the most part that means qurantine people.
Apparently Jacinda has talked with Biden and he asked for and got advice.
For the most part that means qurantine people.
Apparently Jacinda has talked with Biden and he asked for and got advice.
innonimatu
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Several countries already did it. Not everyone will be staying at home, in fact it's absurd for anyone to be locked home unless on quarantine because actually infected, and even so... People can be out in the open street relatively safely, provided it isn't crowded. The best time to do this would have been the summer of course. But the way things are going we can do it next summer. because otherwise it will be many more months of "lockdowns" instead of a couple of months of a properly planned one.
Want to know how to do it, talk to the people in the countries that already did it. Successfully.
Current vaccination is for 18-60 age group, because there is not enough data about safety and side effects for older and younger people. "Not safe" implies it's established as dangerous, which is not the case.
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