Coronavirus: The Great Unmasking

[Samson]

WHO: To focus on boosters when more than half the world lacks vaccine doses is short-sighted and will only keep the pandemic burning longer.

The World Health Organization (WHO) has called for a moratorium on COVID-19 boosters until the end of next month, with the aim of ensuring that at least 10% of people in all countries are vaccinated before extra doses are handed out. It makes a compelling argument. As Nature went to press, 58% of people in high-income countries had received at least one vaccine dose; in low-income countries this number stood at just 1.3%.

Moreover, the case for boosters has not yet been proved. Most COVID-19 vaccines currently in use remain extremely effective months after administration, particularly against severe disease and death. In a period of vaccine scarcity, the choice to dole out boosters must be guided by evidence of benefit, and consideration given to the cost of delaying the delivery of vaccines to vulnerable people and health-care workers in other countries. So far, there is little evidence that boosters are needed to protect the fully vaccinated.​

 

[The_J]

https://www.sciencemag.org/news/202...er-superimmunity-people-who-had-sars-long-ago

Wang’s team compared neutralizing antibodies from the vaccinated SARS survivors—all health care workers in Singapore—with those from SARS patients who had not received a COVID-19 vaccine. Wang’s team also analyzed antibodies in three other groups: unvaccinated people who currently had COVID-19, along with vaccinated people who had recovered from SARS-CoV-2 or had never been infected with that virus.

The vaccinated SARS survivors were the only cohort whose antibodies neutralized 10 different coronaviruses, according to a new assay Wang’s team developed that tests the antibodies’ ability to block binding between ACE2 and the receptor-binding domains (RBDs) of different spikes. And the levels of the neutralizing antibodies were relatively high against each one.

Some good news .

 

[EnglishEdward]

The World Health Organization (WHO) has called for a moratorium on COVID-19 boosters until the end of next month

This merely encourages me to apply for a booster as soon as they are available.

 

[Gorbles]

This merely encourages me to apply for a booster as soon as they are available.

with the aim of ensuring that at least 10% of people in all countries are vaccinated before extra doses are handed out. It makes a compelling argument. As Nature went to press, 58% of people in high-income countries had received at least one vaccine dose; in low-income countries this number stood at just 1.3%.

So just because you only read as far as "the WHO has called for something", you want to take more for yourself regardless of the need for other people to be vaccinated.

Neat-o.

 

[r16]

with the argument required to be there will be no lack of vaccines but means of distribution and waiting for things to happen when it is developed countries' design that nothing will happen anyhow . New Turkey , ı think , might soon offer a double booster to 4 shots all together after Sinovac was not accepted by the EU .

 

[EnglishEdward]

After witnessing their delays and misinformation, the WHO is hardly a credible source.

There are people starving in this world.

I am under no illusion that if I skip my lunch, it suddenly ends up in the mouth of a starving African child.

Having had live Covid myself, I spent several weeks ignoring endless texts, letters and phone calls
from the NHS and its agents, specifically so that the next generation here in the UK could have their jab.

As the virus mutates to escape existing vaccines and my memory cells, antibodies whatever declines;
it makes sense for me to take an annual booster in exactly the same way people take annual shots for flu.

Having said that there are no doubt others in the UK with weakened immune systems in greater need of
booster shot, so I won't try to skip the queue, but I see no reason to delay for the doctrine of equal misery.

The UK is by the way delaying first jab vaccination of children to enable supplies for adults in third countries.

 

[Gorbles]

After witnessing their delays and misinformation, the WHO is hardly a credible source.

There are people starving in this world.

I am under no illusion that if I skip my lunch, it suddenly ends up in the mouth of a starving African child.

Having had live Covid myself, I spent several weeks ignoring endless texts, letters and phone calls
from the NHS and its agents, specifically so that the next generation here in the UK could have their jab.

As the virus mutates to escape existing vaccines and my memory cells, antibodies whatever declines;
it makes sense for me to take an annual booster in exactly the same way people take annual shots for flu.

Having said that there are no doubt others in the UK with weakened immune systems in greater need of
booster shot, so I won't try to skip the queue, but I see no reason to delay for the doctrine of equal misery.

The UK is by the way delaying first jab vaccination of children to enable supplies for adults in third countries.

The WHO not being a credible source is a whole other argument.

Your analogy to your lunch is ridiculous. Vaccine production isn't the same as you making (or buying) a lunch. The trend of developed countries hoarding the vaccine is well-established at this stage and should be deservedly criticised.

The UK government's actions here are a tangent. The original point was you using the WHO as pretext to declare it only incentivised your desire to get a third shot, regardless of the context which was to deliver them to other countries. In that context, I don't care what our government is doing, because it's irrelevant to your choice here

I've had Covid as well. I only got my first and second shots very (very) recently, because I was one of the last demographics by established priority. You don't need to play the whole personal angle with me.

 

[EnglishEdward]

The trend of developed countries hoarding the vaccine is well-established at this stage ...

What evidence e.g. unused stock levels, do you have that the UK has ever hoarded the vaccine?

 

[amadeus]

This merely encourages me to apply for a booster as soon as they are available.

Likewise. Red Ted and the rest of his CCP stooge crew can go suck a bat.

 

[Gorbles]

What evidence e.g. unused stock levels, do you have that the UK has ever hoarded the vaccine?

I said "developed countries", I didn't single out any specific country.

 

[EnglishEdward]

So which developed country did you have in mind?

 

[Gorbles]

So which developed country did you have in mind?

I'm not here to Google things for you, just for you to quibble further. If you're genuinely interested, I'm confident you can look it up yourself. Or you could PM me, sure. Happy with that as well.

 

[Drakle]

The FDA has now granted full approval, instead of whatever the previous approval was. That means a wave of new vaccine mandates.

And now some Anti-Vaxxers are going to need a new excuse.

 

[uppi]

What evidence e.g. unused stock levels, do you have that the UK has ever hoarded the vaccine?

https://news.sky.com/story/amp/covid-19-uk-orders-35-million-more-doses-of-pfizer-vaccine-as-it-prepares-for-booster-shots-12388720

 

[Hrothbern]

And now some Anti-Vaxxers are going to need a new excuse.

From a month old article: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news...us-covid-unvaccinated-hospital-rates-vaccines

a doctor in a Birmingham, Alabama, hospital, Brytney Cobia:

“One of the last things they do before they’re intubated is beg me for the vaccine. I hold their hand and tell them that I’m sorry, but it’s too late,”
she added, referring to patients who have to be put on a ventilator.

I was raised as a kid with the standard Dutch sayings like:
"Who burns himself must sit on the blisters"
and the now outdated one:
"Who does not want to hear must feel" (meaning you got slapped)

 

[Kaitzilla]

The FDA has now granted full approval, instead of whatever the previous approval was. That means a wave of new vaccine mandates.

And now some Anti-Vaxxers are going to need a new excuse.

Yup, saying "mandating an experimental vaccine is wrong" will no longer fly.

I expect lots of mandates now!

The no-vax excuse will evolve to:

You can't sue Pfizer or Moderna if you have severe Covid vaccine side effects.
The government likely won't compensate you for damages either.
Under the PREP Act, companies like Pfizer and Moderna have total immunity from liability if something unintentionally goes wrong with their vaccines.

 

[Birdjaguar]

wow
TIL about Conway and his linguistic description as base of a row of numbers.
How fitting for you

His Conway constant:


2x^{58}+5x^{57}+3x^{56}-2x^{55}-10x^{54}-3x^{53}-2x^{52}+6x^{51}+6x^{50}+x^{49}+9x^{48}-3x^{47}-}
7x^{46}-8x^{45}-8x^{44}+10x^{43}+6x^{42}+8x^{41}-5x^{40}-12x^{39}+7x^{38}-7x^{37}+7x^{36}+x^{35}-}
3x^{34}+10x^{33}+x^{32}-6x^{31}-2x^{30}-10x^{29}-3x^{28}+2x^{27}+9x^{26}-3x^{25}+14x^{24}-8x^{23}-}
7x^{21}+9x^{20}+3x^{19}-4x^{18}-10x^{17}-7x^{16}+12x^{15}+7x^{14}+2x^{13}-12x^{12}-4x^{11}-}
2x^{10}+5x^{9}+x^{7}-7x^{6}+7x^{5}-4x^{4}+12x^{3}-6x^{2}+3x-6=0}

We have strict language rules at CFC regarding the mandatory use of English or a clear, intelligible, translation into English. Clearly you are in violation. I suspect pornographic undertones in your post given all those Xs and frequent use of 9s and 6s. Explain your self young man or suffer the consequences!

 

[EnglishEdward]

https://news.sky.com/story/amp/covid-19-uk-orders-35-million-more-doses-of-pfizer-vaccine-as-it-prepares-for-booster-shots-12388720

Placing orders for further stock is not the same as hoarding.

 

[Drakle]

https://twitter.com/VincentRK/status/1429489529275158531

Florida becomes first US state where the daily deaths in current wave have exceeded previous waves.

So even with vaccines removing a segment of vulnerable people from risk, and new treatments, Florida is doing worse.

By the way, articles like this are still up

How Ron DeSantis won the pandemic

 

[emzie]

WHO: To focus on boosters when more than half the world lacks vaccine doses is short-sighted and will only keep the pandemic burning longer.

The World Health Organization (WHO) has called for a moratorium on COVID-19 boosters until the end of next month, with the aim of ensuring that at least 10% of people in all countries are vaccinated before extra doses are handed out. It makes a compelling argument. As Nature went to press, 58% of people in high-income countries had received at least one vaccine dose; in low-income countries this number stood at just 1.3%.

Moreover, the case for boosters has not yet been proved. Most COVID-19 vaccines currently in use remain extremely effective months after administration, particularly against severe disease and death. In a period of vaccine scarcity, the choice to dole out boosters must be guided by evidence of benefit, and consideration given to the cost of delaying the delivery of vaccines to vulnerable people and health-care workers in other countries. So far, there is little evidence that boosters are needed to protect the fully vaccinated.​

I agree with the WHO in principle, but in practice this is nonsense. Distribution logistics are a much larger hurdle than manufacturing. For example, most of the countries under 10% are in Africa. Of the 1.2 billion people in Africa, more than 400 million are under 12 and can't be vaccinated. For the remaining 800 million, 80 million doses are needed to hit 10%. That's a little more than 2 days' production.