Bobbtjoe
Emperor
Universil sufferage is over powered.
universal sufferage is over powered.
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Joseph Goebbels
Chieftain
If you're looking for responses, I think you'll have to elaborate. What makes it overpowered and why, and so on...
TheMeInTeam
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Is the OP just bait?
US requires enough towns and
multipliers before it's decent. It needs the kremlin to be truly efficient.
US requires enough towns and
multipliers before it's decent. It needs the kremlin to be truly efficient.
6K Man
Bureaucrat
I tend to prefer Representation for the bulk of my games. If you wind up conquering a lot of AI lands, you'll run across a lot of non-Town tiles... US only affects Towns, obviously, and if less than 1/2 of your tiles are Towns, then it's less wonderful than it could be.
The rushbuying is obviously a big deal but it's not something I need to do every turn... making Buddy Jesus or the Spiritual trait more important. Switch into US every couple dozen turns and then switch back to Rep.
The rushbuying is obviously a big deal but it's not something I need to do every turn... making Buddy Jesus or the Spiritual trait more important. Switch into US every couple dozen turns and then switch back to Rep.
phungus420
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Yeah, US is good, but so is Representation, and in some circumstances so are Monarchy and Police State. I can't really pick a best here. So I'll just have to disagree with the OP.
The only civic that is argueably OP is Slavery, but that's another issue altogether.
The only civic that is argueably OP is Slavery, but that's another issue altogether.
A civic that requires heavy long-term investments and planning ahead, 1-2 support civics, several buildings and a world wonder to really shine isn't overpowered.
If you could just build a town like you build a workshop I would agree, but towns SHOULD be powerful.
If you could just build a town like you build a workshop I would agree, but towns SHOULD be powerful.
nullspace
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The best part of universal suffrage is its flexibility. By switching to 100% gold, you can instantly increase your civ's overall production. And you can get this production in any city you have. This is great for building units if you need them suddenly because you were attacked or because you just researched the techs for bombers. It also lets you create needed buildings in cities with low production, or speed up the construction of executives so you can jumpstart the spread of a corporation. You don't really even need the kremlin or towns, just a good amount of commerce and gold multipliers. The other government civics have their uses, but I always want to switch to US.
Sprig
めんどくさい
I'm a heavy user of US but I don't belive it is over-powered. If you Built the Mids you wouldn't switch to US straight away, would you?
sydhe
King of Kongs
None of the Civics in that column are overpowered or underpowered. They all have their uses.
You haven't seen me use Merc + Representation, have you?
Merc and Rep suck compared to FM and Rep. 20% (sometimes more) of my economy comes from foreign trade routes.
TheMeInTeam
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That is so far from normal games that it's hard to make a case for it, but it certainly proves that in some cases merc is better (or rather, when you're abusing marathon for that many cities that quickly, you want as many per-city bonuses as you can possibly get).
Even in more standard games merc/rep can win out if you're fielding tightly packed cities. It's less likely they'll be large cities, so trade routes are weaker while the relative strength of a rep spec is higher. Also, as your empire grows you deny the trade routes to the AI and might still have some foreign ones if you pick up a vassal.
If you grew your cottages early but they don't comprise the bulk of your empire, rep/FS/caste/SP or Merc/whatever religion civic you need isn't a bad setup at all, although bureaucracy or nationhood might give you higher yields in terms of your goal (especially nationhood for a war approach).
Re Topic: Commerce everywhere and rushbuy is an elegant and supremely powerful economy; I consider it the best on most maps. It's arguably the best lategame setup with the Kremlin... and even more dominating earlier in the game: Cottages and windmills get their big boost long before other improvements, and full gold multipliers are available very early.
Re Mercantilism and Free Market: Usually one's own economy will be stronger with open borders and Free Market unless we did some ridiculous expansion recently and our cities are tiny.
Total beakers for ourselves isn't everything though; our loss from switching to Mercantilism will often be lower than anyone else's from losing those trade routes. Especially if we have a large empire. This is particularly relevant on high levels since the additional commerce AIs get is inflated by the handicaps and ours isn't.
Re Mercantilism and Free Market: Usually one's own economy will be stronger with open borders and Free Market unless we did some ridiculous expansion recently and our cities are tiny.
Total beakers for ourselves isn't everything though; our loss from switching to Mercantilism will often be lower than anyone else's from losing those trade routes. Especially if we have a large empire. This is particularly relevant on high levels since the additional commerce AIs get is inflated by the handicaps and ours isn't.
Grandpa Troll
Ronin
I really like the US, but have to agree with the general consensus, not really "Overpowering" until late in game then its very good but stand alone..overpowered?
Nah..cant agree to that
This is from a not so expert but someone who really enjoys the game.
Grandpa Troll
Nah..cant agree to that
This is from a not so expert but someone who really enjoys the game.
Grandpa Troll
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