18 civs

[Red Threat]

I think the final list of civs is this one:

1. Rome (maybe they want to rename it Italy so they still haven't confirmed)
2. Greece
3. Babylon (I'd prefer Assyria or Mesopotamia)
4. Egypt
5. Persia
6. Arabia
7. Mali
8. Spain
9. France
10. Germany
11. England
12. Russia
13. India
14. China
15. Japan
16. Aztecs
17. Incas
18. America

I think this is the best civs list possible. It's very balanced both in a geographic and historical point of view. I miss Carthage but it's not very important.

 

[Red Threat]

In my opinion the missing civs could "appear" with their main cities in the list of some greater civs.

For example:

add to Germany: Amsterdam, Wien, Prague, Copenhaghen, Oslo, Bergen, Stockolm, Malmoe, Goeteborg;

add to France: Geneve, Bruxelles;

add to England: Cardiff, Edimburgh, Glasgow, Belfast, Dublin, Cork, Capetown, Sydney, Melbourne, Perth, Auckland, Wellington;

add to Spain: Oporto, Lisbona, Mexico City, Bogotà, Buenos Aires, Santiago and other colonies...

add to Rome (Italy): Carthage, Utica, Constantinople, Nicaea, Florence, Turin, Venice;

add to Russia: slavic civs like Warsaw, Krakow, Belgrad, Sofia, Budapest etc.;

add to Arabs: Mediterranean african cities (Il Cairo, Tripoli, Bengasi, Tunisi, Algeri, Oran, Rabat);

add to Japan: Seoul, Fusan, Pyongyang;

add to China: Ulaanbataar, Taipei, Hanoi;

add to India: Bangkog, Angkor, Kuala Lampur, Jakarta;

add to Aztecs: Chichén Itza and some mayan city;

add to America: Toronto, Montreal, Ottawa, Calgary, Vancouver.

 

[Red Threat]

I don't believe there will be Mongols. How can you put them and keep out one of the civs listed above?

Maybe they were confirmed when the civs were still 18.

 

[Aks K]

In my opinion the missing civs could "appear" with their main cities in the list of some greater civs.

For example:

add to Germany: Amsterdam, Wien, Prague, Copenhaghen, Oslo, Bergen, Stockolm, Malmoe, Goeteborg;

add to France: Geneve, Bruxelles;

add to England: Cardiff, Edimburgh, Glasgow, Belfast, Dublin, Cork, Capetown, Sydney, Melbourne, Perth, Auckland, Wellington;

add to Spain: Oporto, Lisbona, Mexico City, Bogotà, Buenos Aires, Santiago and other colonies...

add to Rome (Italy): Carthage, Utica, Constantinople, Nicaea, Florence, Turin, Venice;

add to Russia: slavic civs like Warsaw, Krakow, Belgrad, Sofia, Budapest etc.;

add to Arabs: Mediterranean african cities (Il Cairo, Tripoli, Bengasi, Tunisi, Algeri, Oran, Rabat);

add to Japan: Seoul, Fusan, Pyongyang;

add to China: Ulaanbataar, Taipei, Hanoi;

add to India: Bangkog, Angkor, Kuala Lampur, Jakarta;

add to Aztecs: Chichén Itza and some mayan city;

add to America: Toronto, Montreal, Ottawa, Calgary, Vancouver.

I feel offented by this! Hope it's a joke. You will find a lot of resentment with this idea. Try going for example to a pub in Belfast or Dublin and explain your idea - at least they will listen to you for a short vile.

And using an avatar close to the amarican flag does not help to get your message across.

Aks K

 

[rbis4rbb]

I think the final list of civs is this one:

1. Rome (maybe they want to rename it Italy so they still haven't confirmed)
2. Greece
3. Babylon (I'd prefer Assyria or Mesopotamia)
4. Egypt
5. Persia
6. Arabia
7. Mali
8. Spain
9. France
10. Germany
11. England
12. Russia
13. India
14. China
15. Japan
16. Aztecs
17. Incas
18. America

I think this is the best civs list possible. It's very balanced both in a geographic and historical point of view. I miss Carthage but it's not very important.

Mongols are in. I don't think Spain will be in.

 

[mitsho]

Spain is in (we can see Madrid on one screenshot).
If the assumption is true, there may as well be 19 civs, and then it suits perfectly with the mongols.

So, I would change (although I think they are the better choice) the Incas to one north american tribe (we've seen the city of cherokee?) and add Mongolia. thus it would be also 'perfect with the culture groups (if they still exist, but there has to be some sort of group, since they have to have different graphics for the cities):

Middle East: Arabs, Babylon, Persia, Mali
Mediterannean: Rome, Greece, Egypt
Asia: Japan, Mongols, India, China
European: England (or whatever), France, Spain, Germany, Russia
American: America, Native American, Aztecs

Mali suits better into the Middle East culture group than the Zulu in civ3, (that's why the chose them? ). And I hope that in civ4, conquered cities will stay in their culture group (just a eye-candy thing...

mfG mitsho

 

[ogmoir]

I feel offented by this! Hope it's a joke. You will find a lot of resentment with this idea. Try going for example to a pub in Belfast or Dublin and explain your idea - at least they will listen to you for a short vile.

And using an avatar close to the amarican flag does not help to get your message across.

Aks K

The Vikings in PTW had Helsinki as one of their cities although a) Finland was never part of Viking territory and b) Helsinki didn't exist in the Viking era, but I was nonetheless happy to see my home city in the game. But I agree that it shouldn't be stretched too far. Many of Red Threat's suggestions were just over the top (for example, the "Indian" cities and "slavic civs like ... Budapest" ).

PS. Does your avatar help you get your message across? Your comment about the American flag confuses me.

 

[stormbind]

I think it's the final list.

But no worries, I am looking forward to writing a total conversion.

Civilisation I for Civilization IV : The better was to Civ

 

[Aks K]

The Vikings in PTW had Helsinki as one of their cities although a) Finland was never part of Viking territory and b) Helsinki didn't exist in the Viking era, but I was nonetheless happy to see my home city in the game. But I agree that it shouldn't be stretched too far. Many of Red Threat's suggestions were just over the top (for example, the "Indian" cities and "slavic civs like ... Budapest" ).

PS. Does your avatar help you get your message across? Your comment about the American flag confuses me.

I never saw Helsinki in civ3, because I never played the Vikings and the AI never builded enough cities to get Helsinki.

As to the American flag and Red Threat list of cities. It was just to arrogant for me. I know americans who have a large cultural and historical knowledge as well as a knowledge of human nature. But I also met americans who did not fit into these categories - I jugded Red Threat to be one of these. His remarks was either clumsy, ill thought out or plain arrogant. It just made me angry.

Aks K

 

[Aks K]

Btw - I am glad you also see it my way, ogmoir.

I only got to "add to germany" before I got offended. I did not want to look to close. Yes the "Indian" cities and "slavic civs" are also over the top for me, but every other line in the list is offensive.

Edimburgh

Put this city in cIV - the Scots will get a god laugh .

Aks K

 

[Own]

The Mongols only created the largest empire in history. No way can they not be in.

 

[Chazbagel]

Own is right, and hes from NC! but ne ways... What city is Cherokee? I thought that was a native american tribe....

 

[mitsho]

It is a native american tribe, but since I do not excel in Native American History, I 'm not able to say to which civ it could be long. Probably not the Iroquois (as in civ3), right?

mfG mitsho

 

[Xen]

The Mongols only created the largest empire in history. No way can they not be in.

sure they can be left out; if we have to ditch the mongols for a civlization fo actual importance, like babylon or Greece, they woudl be my first pick to be thrown out; save them for an x-pack; thier are better civs to choose from then the mongols.

 

[Justy]

Own is right, and hes from NC! but ne ways... What city is Cherokee? I thought that was a native american tribe....

Cherokee, Oklahoma!

Never been there, but I hear its nice.

As for the suggestion, I understand where Red Threat was going with this idea, I don't think that it would play out though. Some of the choices don't work for me. Its nothing to get uptight about. Its just an idea, like any other.

 

[Flotsam]

As to the American flag and Red Threat list of cities. It was just to arrogant for me. I know americans who have a large cultural and historical knowledge as well as a knowledge of human nature. But I also met americans who did not fit into these categories - I jugded Red Threat to be one of these. His remarks was either clumsy, ill thought out or plain arrogant. It just made me angry.

Aks K

Yea well your comment makes me angry as an American. I don't come to these boards to read America bashing. There's absolutely no reason to bring his avatar into this discussion whatsoever.

Judging Red Threat by his avatar and one post where he's just trying to throw some ideas out to spark some conversation about this subject is ill thought out or just plain arrogant.

 

[Aks K]

Yea well your comment makes me angry as an American. I don't come to these boards to read America bashing. There's absolutely no reason to bring his avatar into this discussion whatsoever.

This is not american bashing. I read his post and then say his avatar. Only when he poses something like that with this avatar - he should be of the message he sends. Thats all.

Judging Red Threat by his avatar and one post where he's just trying to throw some ideas out to spark some conversation about this subject is ill thought out or just plain arrogant.

ill thought out or just plain arrogant: these are my words. Could I accuse your reply also of being ill thought out or just plain arrogant?

Should I read all his posts? Am I not entitled to respond to his post? My comment on the flag was propably over the top - I admit, but I was angry and he should know what signals he sends.

I commentied on his ideas and I found them offencive, period. I hope this explains what I previously wrote.

EDIT: @Own: I would also hate to see the mongols left out.

Aks K

 

[Greek Stud]

If they dont put the Greeks in, Im not buying the game.

 

[toh6wy]

Mongols are definitely in, because Genghis Khan was mentioned as a leader. Spain's probably not in for now. All of the others are confirmed, except Babylon (which I can't imagine they wouldn't include, unless they replace it with some other Mesopotamian civ) and Inca, I believe... which is really strange, because there's no N. American civ confirmed, and presumably no more space left, yet there's a city called "Cherokee" in a screenshot.

If they dont put the Greeks in, Im not buying the game.

Rightly so; there are few civilizations more important and influential... although they and anyone else can be modded in... I don't think you have to worry, though.

 

[Flotsam]

This is not american bashing. I read his post and then say his avatar. Only when he poses something like that with this avatar - he should be of the message he sends. Thats all.

What does the country he's from have ANYTHING to do with the message he posted? Being American should never even be brought into this discussion. If you disagree with what he posted, fine say what offends you. But dragging his nationality into the discussion is completely out of place on these boards IMO.

ill thought out or just plain arrogant: these are my words. Could I accuse your reply also of being ill thought out or just plain arrogant?

I used your words to show the irony of your post.

Should I read all his posts?

If you want too. Not sure what that has to do with this thread.

Am I not entitled to respond to his post?

Of course you are. That's what these boards are here for and that's why he posted his message. But taking shots at other peoples nationality rather then discussing the content of a post doesn't seem to be the purpose of these boards. But I'm not a moderator so maybe I'm out of line here. If so I'll make my exit from these boards because I'm interested in talking about the game of Civilization, not reading derogatory biases about my country.

My comment on the flag was propably over the top - I admit, but I was angry and he should know what signals he sends.

I can understand saying things you don't mean when your angry. It happens to everybody but why should he worry about what signals he's sending? Are Americans not welcome on these boards? Will I be attacked on these board for being an American?

I commentied on his ideas and I found them offencive, period. I hope this explains what I previously wrote.

I have no problems if your offended by someone's ideas. I won't tell you what you should and shouldn't be offended by. That's not my place and it would be arrogant of me to think I should. But rather then bringing his nationality into the discussion to use against him, debate the merits of his idea. That's all I'm saying.

Sorry for getting this thread off topic. I'm not here to debate with people about what they should post on the boards but I've noticed a lot of snide remarks regarding Americans and it's getting under my skin.