2011 MLB Thread

And again...

3 blown saves after 8 games is a pretty breathtaking pace. Wonder if he'll manage to keep it up for the whole season. :eek: We could have had a respectable 5-3 start, but instead we're sitting in a hole at 2-6.

Not sure who LaRussa can turn to though. Jason Motte ? Presumably not Mitchell or Boggs. Pity we lost Perez -think we should have tried a bit harder to keep hold of him.

Kind of hard to blame Franklin on this one though. Rasmus dropped what should have been a routine pop-out.
 
Cleveland is about to win their 7th in a row...they're up fairly comfortably over Seattle (6-0 through five)...which will be nice, because the schedule is about to get a lot tougher, with dates coming up against LA, and Texas (who has traditionally dominated Cleveland). Cleveland's pitching staff has actually been *really* good, first two games with the White Sox not withstanding.

I know its early...but good God Seattle looks AWFUL. Its too bad they can't trade Ichiro. He deserves better.
 
Cleveland is about to win their 7th in a row...they're up fairly comfortably over Seattle (6-0 through five)...which will be nice, because the schedule is about to get a lot tougher, with dates coming up against LA, and Texas (who has traditionally dominated Cleveland). Cleveland's pitching staff has actually been *really* good, first two games with the White Sox not withstanding.

I know its early...but good God Seattle looks AWFUL. Its too bad they can't trade Ichiro. He deserves better.

I think you mean Baltimore, not Texas. We don't see the Rangers until June. In truth, the upcoming schedule is fairly manageable, with @LA, Balt, @KC, @Min, KC, and Det coming up. That's shouldn't be too bad.
 
I think you mean Baltimore, not Texas. We don't see the Rangers until June. In truth, the upcoming schedule is fairly manageable, with @LA, Balt, @KC, @Min, KC, and Det coming up. That's shouldn't be too bad.

Ah yeah, you're right, I misread. There's like 15 AL Central games in a row there. I guess we'll see what the Indians are really made of then. If they can knock KC and Detroit around, they could build up a little cushion!
 
Despite the troubles the Cardinals have had thus far I do have one thing that I am very excited about. The rotation has looked pretty good. Assuming Pujols starts smacking balls around again soon and Franklin/bullpen can get over their early funk the Cardinals should start winning a lot of games.
 
The Phils are off to a good start, which is nice. They had a tendency to get off to horrible starts a few years back. 6 of the 8 starts by the big 4 have been very good, but the two bad ones were really bad. Still, right now the 4 of them have struck out 46 and walked only 8 in their 45 innings combined.

On to Washington. There'll probably be a Philly contingent making the trip down there for the games and they'll probably try to let Werth know they are there.
 
they will invade that stadium like they always do. washington has perhaps the most apathetic fan base i've ever been around. and i'm putting that nicely :) we have other choice words for their ilk in the delaware valley.

no remarks about manny's abrupt exit? no HoF imo. a real shame. guy could really mash. 2 confirmed positives and a third that went unreported (pre-mitchell report). adios puto.
 
can you blame them? There are a lot of baseball fans in DC, but they're either transplants, or worn out by watching crappy baseball for the last 6 years.
 
can you blame them? There are a lot of baseball fans in DC, but they're either transplants, or worn out by watching crappy baseball for the last 6 years.

Yeah, the Nationals are way too new of a franchise to have the real passionate fans that most other teams have. Kids really need to grow up with the team there (and ideally having at least a small period of success). In 25-30 years, I'm sure the Nationals will have a solid respectable fan base.
 
I feel bad for Manny. I really do. He left the Sox on very bad terms but he also gave us a lot of fond memories, and he was one of those players who looked like he was having fun and was not above injecting a little humor on the field.

He is a moron for the drugs, true. But I don't know the circumstances of his drug use and I am more prone to giving guys passes for these things than most (I don't really hold it against Barry, or Roger, or Mark, or any of those guys really) because I think Manny was one of the guys who came up in that culture when everyone was doing it. Regardless, the guy was one of the greatest hitters of our era. Every season he was a home run hitting, RBI mashing machine. .314 career AVG! Guy could hit. I think he should be HoF but like I said I am in the slim minority on the drug thing. It seems drugs = no HoF for you, nowadays.
 
Despite the troubles the Cardinals have had thus far I do have one thing that I am very excited about. The rotation has looked pretty good. Assuming Pujols starts smacking balls around again soon and Franklin/bullpen can get over their early funk the Cardinals should start winning a lot of games.

+ Holliday is back in 10 days from his surgery. That's a major lift for the Cards too... :)
 
It seems drugs = no HoF for you, nowadays.


Which is as it should be. "But everybody else is doing it too" is no excuse to break the rules. Cheating is cheating, no matter how many people are doing it. Bonds, McGwire, Sosa, Clemens, Ramirez et al. should never be allowed into the HoF IMHO...
 
On rasmus? Yep.

No, they didn't, at least based on the box score at mlb.com. Though I agree from looking at the replay that it probably should have been scored as an error.

But, yeah, maybe I'm being a little harsh on Franklin. But he's never been a lights-out closer, and always seems to show the other team a chance. And that was still a bad pitch.
 
It is a shame about Manny, apparently he really was that stupid. All these years i thought his stupidity (along with his fluctuating command of the English language) was largely a stunt to avoid taking heat for his antics.

He belongs in the hall of fame as much as any of the amphetamine popping sluggers that are there already, but i doubt he'll ever get in now. Screwing the Rays on his way out was a nice touch though.
 
Now THAT was the Cardinals I've expected to see.
 
Steroids are an interesting subject and I'm really unsure how to evaluate or judge all of its controversy. It's fairly obvious that we all readily accept that we expect athletes to train, to practice, to hopefully maximize their abilities and talents and then play well with what they can do. We don't disparage athletes who use glasses to correct their vision or get lasik surgery, we don't disparage those who use weight training to get stronger, who run and do calisthenics for cardiovascular fitness. But for reasons that I'm not always sure are legitimate, a line has been drawn against steroids. And steroids may have a somewhat undeserved reputation. Much like anything, they can be abused to ultimately deleterious effect, on the other hand, they also can be legitimately prescribed to people and aid them in recovery or treatment.

And steroids were fairly inevitable. Long before steroids, there was the amphetamines that many players used to keep themselves going during the long seasons. Baseball looked the other regarding those. There had long been a culture using what was available, there had long been a culture and situation that pushed athletes to using, especially once the first began using and began getting an advantage over his peers. And when you're in a situation that rewards performance as extravagantly as baseball does with salaries, in a situation that the rewards last only about 20 years at most, that's a lot of incentive to use and maximize what you can get out of the situation.

So I'm not all that willing to say these were terrible men for doing what they did. They did what many would do if presented with similar opportunities and incentives. It's far too easy for those of us outside the situation to look down on them and say they should have never done that, they should have had more integrity. Way too easy to do that. So I won't.

But I don't like the effect the steroids had on offensive production and the record books. I don't like what they did to the game that way. But that may only be my personal preference and taste, I grew up on the game of the late 70s and 80s, I liked that game of baseball because that's the one I grew up watching and listening to on the radio.

So I don't know. There's no doubt that Manny Ramirez would have a been great hitter without steroids. What they did to his numbers, who really knows? He was still one of the best hitters above a bunch of guys who were using.
 
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